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[–]Spikygrasspod 20 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 0 fun21 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I think feminists have said a lot of things, and some of them were wrong. Other feminists said they were wrong at the time. But it's a very, very broad collection of activists and theorists. It's pretty fucking annoying that I would have to answer for postmodernists and anti-science types when I just want to work toward a more egalitarian society with better outcomes for women. It's also pretty annoying that people who hate the idea of society changing to make things more equal for women comb through feminist theory to find the least defensible proposals, and interpret these in the least charitable way, in order to pretend that feminists in general are mad.

Like point 4. Why don't you read any one of the many, very plausible explanations of patriarchy that don't rely on conspiracy and get to work addressing structural inequalities? We can talk about the finer points of Dworkin's writing and where we disagree with her when you've already demonstrated your commitment to ending men's sexual violence.

[–]Kotal[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I don't hate the idea of society changing, personally I think increased tolerance towards homosexuals nowadays and equal rights for for women are good things. I take your point that there were differing opinions among feminists at the time. Furthermore, I'm not just cherry-picking the dumbest things that feminists ever wrote for the purpose of making feminists look crazy. Part of my point is that what you describe as the least defensible proposals have become very popular and sprung out of academia to become the argot of left/liberal activists and politicians all over the place. How did that happen if they were so indefensible? So when we see the likes of Julie Bindel, a woman who was fluent in the radical feminist ideology of her day, become persona non grata among the contemporary activist class then it's worth looking at how she got from A to B.

[–]lairacunda 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

By "increased tolerance towards homosexuals" you mean no more lobotomies, electroshock, burning at the stake, conversion therapy, forced marriage, corrective rape? So glad you're on board.