Germany Refuses to Use Voting Machines Like US Over Fears of Fraud, Will Only Use Paper Ballots

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[–]Alan_Crowe 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I'm not an American, so I might be misunderstanding the situation over there, but there seems to be an interesting twist to the story.

Why did Americans accept electronic voting machines at all? It seems that American's weren't stupid, but insisted on paper ballots and a paper audit trail, so that the electronic tallies could in theory be checked by hand. So they were reassured by the possibility of auditing the results and went ahead with using electronic voting machines. But it turns out to be mysteriously difficult to actually get the results checked by hand.

So I'm thing that there is a broader lesson. You get talked into doing something, based on assurances that there is a backup system in case things go wrong. Then things go wrong and the backup system doesn't work. You shouldn't be surprised by this.

Perhaps one approach is to insist that backup systems only provide confidence if they were routinely tested. Imagine if 5% precincts got hand counted, every election, just to check, even when there was no suspicion of fraud. That still does the money saving/quick results thing, but now the systems for hand counting are in working order and are available if needed.

[–]Rationalmind 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Why did Americans accept electronic voting machines at all?

Culturally, we’re taught to think new means good. It might be the consumerism or lack of history.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Moreover, most Americans - and especially Boomers - want to believe that their government would not allow for voting machines that can be hacked, even if they can see evidence of hacking if they would just look for the videos and articles explaining the hacking process, and the politicians' investments in voting machines. There is also a long Boomer tradition of not engaging in in-depth discussions about political concerns, until 5 or 10 years ago. Americans should be much more politically active.

[–]Rationalmind 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yea, that’s true. I also think that technology evolved so rapidly that older generations just do not understand its vulnerabilities on a thoughtful, critical level.

[–]Brewdabier 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Look at this and who can vote plus this. Giving driver's license to illegal immigrants also gives them voting rights.

[–]skeeter 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm not an American

well then get the fk back to pakistan where you came from.

MOHAMMAD 2420

[–]StillLessons 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Paper ballots. Period. The simplest system is the most secure.

[–]Rationalmind 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think there should be audits and identification requirements. Like verify addresses and people living at addresses.

[–]Dragonerne 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Voter fraud in the US has already been proven

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

How was that proven, do you claim?

[–]Dragonerne 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

In different ways in different states.
An obvious one was comparing the images of the votes in Arizona (iirc) and having literally copies of the same ballots show up lol. Another one is 74.000 mail in ballots that were "received" but never sent out to begin with LOL

I am not going to waste time trying to find sources, because google blocks it, so you will have to look for yourself. If you ask at patriots.win then I am sure youll find lots of trumplovers that will spent the entire day talking about how their lord and saviour won and source it properly too

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The reason the Kraken lawyers are being sanctioned is because every one of those claims of election fraud are blatantly false, and the lawyers should have done a basic reality check before wasting the courts' time with these easily refuted claims.

The were no duplicate ballots counted. Mail in ballots are matched to the voter, and their identity confirmed.

[–]skeeter 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

i like to write my vote on tolet paper and mell it in usen the posetell services. This is easiest way for stupid niggers ta vote. Thank yu biden

[–]yoke 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

voting a government keeps the military neutral and the society stable by and large. this is very important.

[–]hfxB0oyA 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Canada uses paper ballots and volunteers from all the major parties to be present and in agreement during the counting. It not only secures confidence in the system, it also allows our 3 (and in some places, 4) sides to talk to each other collegially and realize that the other guys aren't boogeymen.