International EMF Scientist Appeal - 250 scientists sign petition warning against cancer from wireless tech...

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[–]wizzwizz4 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

Eeehhhh… many of those scientists aren't reputable… and not all of them actually have doctorates (which aren't necessary to be a scientist, but suggest that they're not very prominent).

And it's only 247.

And the website doesn't use accurate terminology.

We need to be careful about this [5G]. But cancer? I see how it can mess up a host of things in your body, but DNA replication ain't the first you'd notice. Retracted.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

Wizz is always chiming in with the shill argument.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

He's just a skeptroll guy.

Too bad he doesn't bother to research things before throwing shade on them. If he's young he's forgiven. If he's older then he's not very wise and certainly not woke.

I keep forgetting to add "5G" to my wishlist for subs. Added. Feel free to make some.

[–]wizzwizz4 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

I actually did research this one, though. I'm not happy about 5G for various reasons (safety concerns are about #3), but this doesn't look legit.

The data on cancer incidence is non-zero, but shaky. I was probably wrong to dismiss it so, but it doesn't rank highly on my list of issues with the tech.

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

And because your health is not a priority does that mean it should be forced upon the rest of us?

These are totalitarian policies and implementation without transparent democracy nor open discussion, much less respectable public awareness about the pros and cons and risks. Like it or not.

[–]wizzwizz4 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

And because your health is not a priority does that mean it should be forced upon the rest of us?

No. I am not in favour of 5G. I was just saying that the site looked shaky, there aren't 250 signatories (and not everyone on the list is a professional scientist).

I've retracted the claim about cancer now. Happy?

These are totalitarian policies and implementation without transparent democracy nor open discussion, much less respectable public awareness about the pros and cons and risks.

That's the way most infrastructure goes. (It shouldn't be, but they're not making a special exemption for 5G.) But yes, this is bad.

[–]magnora7 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I'm kind of with you about being on the fence about it. One of the bigger red flags I've heard is that it was developed in Israel, but is not being allowed to be deployed in Israel. I find that weird. They apparently also don't allow wifi in Israeli schools though, I have also heard. I haven't read why that is, but it's interesting.

[–]wizzwizz4 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

It might be a religious thing. Or it might be because they want to keep electromagnetic noise down so sensors work better (like light pollution, noise in other regions of the electromagnetic spectrum stop radio telescopes from working, etc.).

[–]magnora7 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Yeah I wonder. I tried to search it and surprisingly had a very hard time finding anything about it. There was a Quora post I found that completely dodged the question, apparently it was not made in Israel though. But I legit can't find any info about it being blocked

[–]wizzwizz4 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You could ask on Stack Exchange. I'm not sure whether it would be more on-topic on Politics or Mi Yodeya… Actually, yeah, Politics is probably the place, because it's only on-topic on Mi Yodeya if it is a religious reason, which isn't certain.

I think it's probably on-topic on Politics Stack Exchange? You'd have to check if you were going to ask a question.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I wouldn't trust Quora for shit.

Sorry to swear but they stole all my work. I was completely deleted/banned for life a few years ago for no explanation. I didn't get to save it off or anything. No notice. Not just my countless posts and comments but also the work of everyone who interacted with my posts and comments.

IMHO it's worse than Wikipedia. At least Wikipedia has their rigged system with transparency.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

My recent Zoon Politikon post covers 5G and school. It's her own experience on her local school board, etc. Apparently cell towers and wifi can mess with peoples heads, moods, thinking, health, etc. ( /s/Health/comments/fuy/parents_demand_removal_of_cell_tower_from_school/ )

Unfortunately it's not one of here stories with lots of citations but she's done many on them, and some are posted on SaidIt.

We could use a 5G sub.

And Vaccines. And UNAgendas.

And California to balance NYC.

And Feminism to balance MGTOW or just Sex/Sexism/Sexuality/SexIssues (and Race/Racism/RacialIssues).

And Progressive/Progressivism to balance Libertarian.

And Asia, Brazil, CentralAmerica, EuropeanUnion, NewZealand, Russia, SaudiArabia, SouthAmerica, UK, Vietnam

And...

I guarantee you they will be used.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm not so sure.

I think he's the real deal.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

You obviously haven't seen any of the ample evidence piling up that is abundantly out there in the alternative media. You might want to check it out.

If 5G isn't a threat - why won't they slow down, do adequate tests and confirm it, rather than rush it through, regardless of whether communities want them or not?

[–]wizzwizz4 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I'm not saying it's not a threat. I'm not even saying that it's not a health concern; just criticising the veracity of the petition and the jump to cancer (which I think I was too hasty to criticise). But, for the sake of argument, let's assume that there are no health issues. Other reasons for them to rush it through are:

  1. Marketing. Companies want to be the first to have 5G so that they get more customers.
  2. Privacy. 5G requires towers to be closer together, allowing more location data to be gathered from users and monetised.
  3. War. If a malicious actor has control of the 5G systems, they'd want them put in as quickly as possible.

I'm not certain that the first one is a thing (do they all share the towers? Or build individual ones?) and I'm not presently too concerned with the last one. But they're all reasons.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You're too hasty to post and think later.

The issue IS health.

Fuck marketing and the rest.