95% of Tested Baby Foods in U.S. Contain Toxic Metals Damaging to Children’s Brains, Investigation Finds by useless_aether in DepopulationWatch

[–]mikipika 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This would explain a lot of the stupidity I see online and irl these days.

95% of Tested Baby Foods in U.S. Contain Toxic Metals Damaging to Children’s Brains, Investigation Finds by useless_aether in DepopulationWatch

[–]shivashivashiva 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

95% of all consumer corporate "food" is toxic... choose wisely!

40 Million Americans Already Don't Have Enough Food To Eat... And It's About To Get A Lot Worse by useless_aether in DepopulationWatch

[–]useless_aether[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

:-)

the other 60%?

40 Million Americans Already Don't Have Enough Food To Eat... And It's About To Get A Lot Worse by useless_aether in DepopulationWatch

[–]Reddit_sucks_dick 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Judging by the vast amount of blubber I see every day, I would say...no.

What is Agenda 21? | by Thomas R. Eddlem by Tom_Bombadil in DepopulationWatch

[–]NiftyFifty 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks and upvote! This reiterates that global warming and far-left environmentalism is really a social-engineering stalking-horse for authoritarian one-world government. We should all be aware of Agenda 21 and what they really have in mind for us.

From Silicon Valley to the Georgia Guidestones ~ Corbett Report (7:15) by JasonCarswell in DepopulationWatch

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Biology Course Teaches Students a Fetus is Just Like an Invasive Cancer by useless_aether in DepopulationWatch

[–]Mnemonic 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It makes sense though to draw a comparison. A child can poison the mother and vice versa (blood poisoning).

Also the whole context is missing, it's one slide of a powerpoint. It's s higher biology class so I wouldn't be surprised if it's about 'foreign' cellular growth and the differences.

Some things don't change by useless_aether in DepopulationWatch

[–]useless_aether[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Abortion Clinic Workers Quitting Their Jobs After Seeing Pro-Life Movie ‘Unplanned’ by [deleted] in DepopulationWatch

[–]magnora7 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This sounds like a right-wing fantasy piece. Also it won't let me load the rest of the article

Google Apologizes for Labeling ‘Unplanned’ Movie as ‘Propaganda’ by useless_aether in DepopulationWatch

[–]God999 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Breitbart is shit news. Almost as bad as cnn. But worse.

Mom Catches CBS Using Image of Her Vaccine-Injured Child, Falsely Claiming Measles Caused It by useless_aether in DepopulationWatch

[–]useless_aether[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I had a big development boost after the measles and teached myself to write before I got to school. Later I've learned that other kids had shown the same "effect" after they had the measles

thats really amazing!

thank you, great post.

My Body... My Choice.. by useless_aether in DepopulationWatch

[–]wizzwizz4 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's true, and bears thinking about.

Prominent Biochemistry Professor Warns - 5G is the 'Stupidest Idea In The History of The World' by useless_aether in DepopulationWatch

[–]fred_red_beans 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

He goes on to discuss eight ways in which this technology adversely affects human health, citing extensive scientific documentation:

Lowered Fertility

Neurological/Neuropsychiatric effects

Cellular DNA damage

Aptosis – Programmed Cell Death

Oxidative Stress and Free Radical Damage

Endocrine (Hormonal) Effects

Excessive Intracellular Calcium

Cancer

It would be nice to see the scientific documentation.

My Body... My Choice.. by useless_aether in DepopulationWatch

[–]HeyImSancho 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Break away societies.... Today, we can choose to live as primitive cave people using a large database of 'primitive technologies', or blast off into space using 'high technologies'. Both have volumes of information to learn, in regards to the knowledge necessary to survive, and thrive in said societies.

Likewise with the Internet, and given some natural acumen, any skill, or subject can be conquered in a relative short time frame; as opposed to yesteryear where that information, and knowledge may of necessitated years of study.

I donno long term how everything will fall, but we've seen the Internet alone, change the world, and it's still changing.

My Body... My Choice.. by useless_aether in DepopulationWatch

[–]wizzwizz4 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I honestly try not to 'own' any opinion other than what I personally come up with

Same. I merely linked the site because I found it when searching, and summed up the evidence better than I; I didn't get my opinion from that site in the first place, and in fact have never visited it before.

I usually will take the position of what I see as the anti-establishment, or underdog choice/stance/argument.

The contrarian is an important role to play in any debate, but make sure you don't get too attached to your contrarian position. That being said, don't become contra-contrarian either. (warning: site has anti-death bias)

Yet not much of an outcry from anyone over this, and it's a serious health issue for everyone.

I hear loads about hand-washing and the importance of hygiene. It's something that is somewhat instilled in my local culture, actually; people infrequently shame (comment on) each other for not washing hands after going to the toilet, etc..

I'm not sure what you mean by the breakaway societies thing. It seems like you've attempted to articulate a large, large coherent thought, but there's far more information that you're trying to convey than can have been represented by that paragraph.

My Body... My Choice.. by useless_aether in DepopulationWatch

[–]HeyImSancho 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I link to several sites, none of which I personally endorse(I honestly try not to 'own' any opinion other than what I personally come up with), and often times articles i post, or threads I participate in, I don't personally 'own' any certain position, other than all objective angles, and 'what works'; meaning 5, 10, 20, 50+ years from now.

As far as vaccines, I know both sides of the debate, I get where you're coming from, and I also get where the anti-vaxxers are coming from. I'm actually neither; I don't have an opinion other than I usually will take the position of what I see as the anti-establishment, or underdog choice/stance/argument.

An angle in regards to general public health, that hasn't been covered are parasites, and hygiene. We're forced to touch more, and more in this 21st century. If the McDonald's kiosk touch screens have fecal matter, then what of the credit card machines everywhere? Fecal matter has live parasites.

If you read into the topic of parasites; they're everywhere, and cause a large health impact. Yet not much of an outcry from anyone over this, and it's a serious health issue for everyone.

Another angle to any debate in our modern world is the idea of 'break away' societies. I think we're there now in so many ways. While we debate here, what impact does a single opinion have, or multiples? A single cohesive group could be formed, but life proves this never happens. I can totally see a future world split in many ways, or demarcation lines perhaps on par with how Israel has set up for varying cohesive groups, and perhaps the 'outsiders' who just let everything go.

We're getting there.

My Body... My Choice.. by useless_aether in DepopulationWatch

[–]wizzwizz4 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

am I wrong?

Apart from the "as the word of some god" part, no. But it's extremely hard to find unbiased sources nowadays. That page, at least, wasn't biased in which evidence it chose, unlike Breitbart et al..

Could a vaccine save your life, or ruin your life?

Yes. But it's much more likely to save your life than ruin it.

… I probably shouldn't tell you this. But after sitting here for two minutes staring at the screen, I think I'm going to anyway. *sigh* I hope this doesn't kill anyone.

From a game theory point of view, assuming that each individual chooses individually and is a selfish rational agent unable to predict any other agent:

  • if few people vaccinate, it is vastly better to be vaccinated.
  • if everybody vaccinates, it is slightly better to be unvaccinated but this benefit is miniscule – a benefit comparable with winning the lottery first try – and goes away if many people go unvaccinated.

The more other people vaccinate, the better it is for you. That's why most countries solve this pseudo-"prisoner's dilemma" in such a way that results in a stable state with a lower fatality rate than the "individual" one. Everybody agrees to do what the government tells them to do, and then they vote on what the government tells them to do. If you could vote to make a choice for everyone (not immunocompromised), including yourself, and guarantee that everybody was either vaccinated or not vaccinated, every rational, selfish agent would vote for "vaccinated" and it would benefit all of them.

Now assume that the government isn't mandating it. Instead, assume that many people will make the same decision as you, for the same reasons. So really, you're choosing for multiple people who think the same way as you.

What's it going to be?

My Body... My Choice.. by useless_aether in DepopulationWatch

[–]HeyImSancho 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No, I'm not grasping at straws, and I'm not afraid. Look at what's going on in New York, the article linked below is for anybody. They ramble on about how it's for the children(what's not for the children?), but it's applied to everyone.

*"Members of the city's Health Department will check the vaccination records of any individual who may have been in contact with infected patients.

Those who have not received the vaccine or do not have evidence of immunity may be given a violation and could be fined $1,000."* https://wcbs880.radio.com/articles/mayor-de-blasio-declares-health-emergency-orders-measles-vaccinations-williamsburg-amid

I'm sure you'll say 'no', and that's fine, we can agree to disagree. On that note, you somewhat missed my reference to the military; people don't always have a choice to join.

My Body... My Choice.. by useless_aether in DepopulationWatch

[–]HopeThatHalps 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You're grasping at straws, looking for evidence they want to compel everyone to do something they might not want to do, but there is zero evidence of that being their intent. In all of these cases there is some extrinsic concern that underpins the law. Show one example where they are obviously trying to make people do something just for the sake of doing it. You're allowing your own fears of being controlled by others to interfere with your objectivity over the facts at hand. Your irrationality can cause people to die for this very reason, you freak out that you're being controlled by the government, and so you dont go along with some measure that might save lives, your own or others.

When you sign up for the military, you give ownership of your body to the US Govt. I would not suggest anyone do that.

My Body... My Choice.. by useless_aether in DepopulationWatch

[–]HeyImSancho 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Wizz,

No cherry picking, just loved that it was a 'kill shot' site, a site where their only intended goal is to carry the official narrative as the word of some god sent forth to crush any dissent; am I wrong? I don't like that, I want variety of sources to garner my information; to make my own mind up.

Likewise, with either the doctors striking, or the boy sick with 'something', it was my attempt to convey that there are tons of unknowns, uncertainties, and variables where by life isn't a cookie cutter situation. Could a vaccine save your life, or ruin your life? Both are absolute possibilities; it's undeniable. For myself, I lean away from allopathic medicine, and towards hollistic, no denying it.

My Body... My Choice.. by useless_aether in DepopulationWatch

[–]wizzwizz4 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's great news! Maybe they'll test them better in future.

I'm still taking them. Think of how many people take vaccines and don't get ill, and don't get the illness.

I put together a simulation for you, using Nicky Case's Emoji simulation engine. This should explain it. Click next to a group of unimmune people to vaccinate them.

Since the simulation is so small, I put in an unsafe, mostly-effective vaccine; you will see the vaccine making people ill, to a much greater extent than happens in real life. (Orders of magnitude of a higher extent.) The illness is also pretty fatal, but not too fatal to spread to literally everyone in the simulation.

You'll also see the immune people catching the illness. You'll see them dying. And yet them being immune is better than the alternative. See how dangerous and ineffective a vaccine can be and still be better than the alternative? Real-world vaccines are safer and more effective than that.

Feel free to share it with other people, if you find it helpful. The code's a bit hackish and sporadic (you can see it by removing the "edit" parameter).

My Body... My Choice.. by useless_aether in DepopulationWatch

[–]wizzwizz4 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I should find cheat debate sites, that can make my arguments for me… LOL

Well, many people on this site do do that. But, as you can see from your own ability to cherry-pick the cases where it did fall, it's actually not a very biased source.

it absolutely does show that mortality rates fall; period.

Only in Los Angeles (1976) and possibly Jerusalem (2000). In Jerusalem (1983), possibly Spain (1990), Croatia (2003) and three others, no such fall was found. So, only a quarter of strikes showed a fall in mortality rates.

are you familiar with the concept of doctors operating on patients when not necessary, but for profit alone?

Yeah, I'd heard of that happening in the more backwards countries where that's financially encouraged. But this isn't actually relevant to vaccines, since they're not made by doctors.


The little boy did not deserve what he got. Seizures are not a symptom of meningitis, however febrile seizures do occur in 4% of ½–5 year-olds when they get fevers. This, however, does not look like a febrile seizure; it looks like epilepsy.

I can't think of a mechanism by which Bexsero could cause epilepsy, or even bacterial meningitis, since it doesn't contain the bacteria that cause it. The worst that could happen is an immune response resulting in fever.

But let's go with it, and say that this is a symptom of the vaccine. This child will probably survive. Think of how rare this is, and then think of how deadly bacterial meningitis is. Assuming that this was caused by the vaccine – which is dubious anyway – it's worth it.

Prominent Biochemistry Professor Warns - 5G is the 'Stupidest Idea In The History of The World' by useless_aether in DepopulationWatch

[–]useless_aether[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

cool find, but that site seemed a bit dodgy, so i checked asut and there it is in german

https://asut.ch/asut/media/id/1433/type/document/20190327_Faktencheck_Mobilfunktechnologie_5G.pdf

that being said they are biased, a front for the telecom industry:

asut is the leading association of the Swiss telecommunications industry.

Prominent Biochemistry Professor Warns - 5G is the 'Stupidest Idea In The History of The World' by useless_aether in DepopulationWatch

[–]UmamiTofu 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Here's a fact check on some of these claims that 5G is unsafe: https://e3.marco.ch/publish/sunrise/821_3887/20190327_MM_asut_Faktencheck_5G-EN.pdf

27 Reasons You Should Date an HIV-Positive Man Right Now by useless_aether in DepopulationWatch

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Ha! ;-)

27 Reasons You Should Date an HIV-Positive Man Right Now by useless_aether in DepopulationWatch

[–]useless_aether[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

lucky i dont know any hiv+ man or i would be dating them as we speak /s

27 Reasons You Should Date an HIV-Positive Man Right Now by useless_aether in DepopulationWatch

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It convinced you??! ;-)

27 Reasons You Should Date an HIV-Positive Man Right Now by useless_aether in DepopulationWatch

[–]useless_aether[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

yea, its another atrocity!

27 Reasons You Should Date an HIV-Positive Man Right Now by useless_aether in DepopulationWatch

[–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

UA, I'm inclined to assume that their explanation didn't convince you.

My Body... My Choice.. by useless_aether in DepopulationWatch

[–]HeyImSancho 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Sigh, my only point is it's not about the children alone. They absolutely are moving towards forcing vaccines across the board. First is the chatter, and encouragement; I hear vaccine ads on the radio all the time, I see 'get your flu shot here', signs everywhere(pharmacies, grocery stores). From there, look at the number of professions that require vaccines; they're numerous, but allow 'exemptions', but it's a hoopfest, you better be ready to jump through the hoops, or you get stuck getting the jab, or losing your job; one link I provided already leans towards revealing this, as in searching some things for this thread, I found many lawyer's sites, that at the very least have part of their practice in fighting for these exemptions....... If they're having to fight them with such regularity, as to advertise, and advise for free on their sites, then it stands to simple logical reasoning that it's a real issue.

Here's a similar link regarding the military: https://www.health.mil/Military-Health-Topics/Health-Readiness/Immunization-Healthcare/Clinical-Consultation-Services/Exemption-Guidance <<<--- it looks like deferring vaccines can restrict duty; fine(joining without duress, and wanting to serve without vaccines, one should take the duty they can get). However, and it's not a stretch, if the draft was put into use, and you had no reason for exemption other than not wanting one, you'd be forced to take the shot. Under draft, and forced.

My Body... My Choice.. by useless_aether in DepopulationWatch

[–]HopeThatHalps 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That law applies to health and child care workers, people who come in to contact with many kids or sick people every day. You say they're trying to go after everybody, the facts just don't support that.

My Body... My Choice.. by useless_aether in DepopulationWatch

[–]HeyImSancho 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

first off, I love the link from debunking denialism, abolutely priceless LOL!!!! I should find cheat debate sites, that can make my arguments for me... LOL

If you read your own debunking denialism link, it absolutely does show that mortality rates fall; period. They simply defer to state it was due to elective surgeries being stopped, and so by default doctors are good. I was aware of this, and don't deny the fact, but it doesn't dismiss the fact that on the few occasions of doctors on strike, more people live! LOL

Also, since the article was so pro-AMA, and crapped all over anything alternative, are you familiar with the concept of doctors operating on patients when not necessary, but for profit alone? I was never aware of such things, but a good friend of mine is a perfusionist, but not practicing. The reason he's not? He decided it was a racket, he worked back in Maryland, and stated all the doctors he worked with would do this, he said they'd even trade patients over games of golf; trade them for unnecessary procedures, that would go towards making payments on toys. Now I comprehend what I wrote, may have interest, but it's hearsay. Sure! So here's one article that covers such things; it's out there --->>> https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/06/18/unnecessary-surgery-usa-today-investigation/2435009/

Onto vaccines; did this little boy deserve what he got when his parents allowed the vaccine? https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/parents-shocking-video-baby-suffering-9447899?fbclid=IwAR3Nh4__XyvWmkfP7MpAbonGJ9JpKYFdAuN3ao0YaLdSJFh7--ApFBVq0b0

My Body... My Choice.. by useless_aether in DepopulationWatch

[–]HeyImSancho 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Both of the links below I think will work; honestly, since google has started 'insuring informed, and correct choices', I'm finding it more challenging to search taboo stuff.

https://www.intellihub.com/mandatory-vaccines-for-adults-leave-it-to-california/

https://www.lawyers.com/legal-info/labor-employment-law/human-resources-law/forcing-flu-shots-employees-and-health-at-work.html

My Body... My Choice.. by useless_aether in DepopulationWatch

[–]HopeThatHalps 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

States are trying to make it where there's no 'out' in any way.

Can you give a concrete example?

My Body... My Choice.. by useless_aether in DepopulationWatch

[–]wizzwizz4 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Did you know that when doctors have gone on strike, mortality rates fall?

No, they don't.

What about diseases that get thrown into generic boxes?

Yeah, that sucks, but does it actually affect you? As far as I can tell, that's mostly just a way to get funding through the broken system. Though in the case of FSHD, that might not be the case.

A little further away in medical, I could go on, and on about the pharmaceuticals

Oh, yeah, that whole system sucks. And that's the most relevant one to vaccines… but the issues with the system don't really apply to vaccines. Specifically, the pushing of drugs people don't need, whilst ignoring the side-effects. This doesn't apply to the vaccines they produce, which are technologically unnovel; new vaccines of the same type (e.g. new viral vaccines produced using embryonic stem cell cultures) don't have new side-effects, and these vaccines have been tested enough for me to be certain that a properly-produced vaccine will be safe.

Yes, the US is a constitutional republic, aka a representative democracy. However, bribery.

My Body... My Choice.. by useless_aether in DepopulationWatch

[–]wizzwizz4 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Herd immunity isn't "the truth". It's an emergent property of…

I put together a simulation for you, using Nicky Case's Emoji simulation engine. This should explain it. Click next to a group of unimmune people to vaccinate them.

Since the simulation is so small, I put in an unsafe, mostly-effective vaccine; you will see the vaccine making people ill, to a much greater extent than happens in real life. (Orders of magnitude of a higher extent.) The illness is also pretty fatal, but not too fatal to spread to literally everyone in the simulation.

Feel free to share it with other people, if you find it helpful. The code's a bit hackish and sporadic (you can see it by removing the "edit" parameter).

My Body... My Choice.. by useless_aether in DepopulationWatch

[–]cmdrrockawesome 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Vaccines, by and large, are safe and effective. Yes, money has been paid out to people who have had adverse reactions to them, but it's ultimately a small number in the big scheme of things. Society as a whole is better with people getting vaccinations.

Also, I've never met or heard of a medical professional who wasn't willing to delay or space out vaccination protocols for young children or those who may have adverse reactions.

My Body... My Choice.. by useless_aether in DepopulationWatch

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

But is herd immunity the truth, are there not issues with it?

My Body... My Choice.. by useless_aether in DepopulationWatch

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The problem is getting vaccinations while being immmuncompromised can be dangerous. Most vaccines are safe but the media, pro-vaxxers and anti-vaxxers seem to polarize the issues. Ther are some vaccines such as lymerix that have been pulled in an ultimatum for their roles in causing harm to people. tens of millions of dollars have been paid to families due to vaccine injury. Vaccines should be safe and effective.

My Body... My Choice.. by useless_aether in DepopulationWatch

[–]HeyImSancho 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Let's look at 'laws for children', perhaps state by state, we've got new laws, but there was traditionally always an 'out'. States are trying to make it where there's no 'out' in any way. Like the 'out' they try to steal from the kids in public schools, businesses force similar mandates on employees=healthcare, or related.... Furthermore from there, there are states trying to force adults into vaccines as well.

Forcing the individual to act against what they consider their better nature, better health, for the greater good as determined by the mob; is a sort of fascist authoritarian, and by extension by way of 20th century examples, communist.

My Body... My Choice.. by useless_aether in DepopulationWatch

[–]HeyImSancho 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

We got somewhere! You support vaccines, the phrase, 'my body, my choice', can be applied, although many people find it offensive as it's apparently the 'unofficial slogan for abortion', but it still works.

I get your pro vaccine, and pro medicine, but the fact is, there are many people who aren't. I cannot blame them, and support them in their quest out of persecution. The reasons I do, are simple, but vast in examples. Did you know that when doctors have gone on strike, mortality rates fall? There are supposed numerous easy explanations for this, but the truth remains when doctors when in any organized group go on strike, death rates fall. What about diseases that get thrown into generic boxes? Now the most common form of Muscular Dystrophy, 'FSHD', didn't even exist 20 years ago. It was barely acknowledged, so what did they do? They started throwing several other recognized, and differentiated diseases into the FSHD box. Within the last few years, it went from being literally unheard of, to the most 'prevalent' form of MD.... You should see the variety of possible symptoms now that they've thrown all of it together! lol. Again though, it's not a single disease, and you when you find a neurologist willing to talk, they'll tell you the same thing.

A little further away in medical, I could go on, and on about the pharmaceuticals, and the dirty deeds done in that arena. A single drug Seroquel can make my point here; go research that drug, and the guy in charge of it. He manipulated the entire market, fucked around/ literally sleeping with women in positions necessary to get the drug pushed. The drug has adverse side effects, and was entirely mis approved for usages due to this man's need for greed. His punishment was hardly anything, and now is overseeing another drug company in Switzerland. People have their right to not believe, and not be persecuted into actions they aren't comfortable with, or sure of.

On the topics of democracies, as you brought up, I don't know what country you're from, but in the USA, we're supposed to be a Republic; where by our Natural Inalienable Rights(they're real!) are honored. It's not a straight democracy where mob rules; the media, the govt., and the oligarchy in power want us all to believe that fairy tale.

My Body... My Choice.. by useless_aether in DepopulationWatch

[–]wizzwizz4 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You're arguing the phrase doesn't apply because of your viewpoint, which, to sum up, is that you're simply pro vaccine. Am I wrong with that assumption?

Yes. "My body, my choice" is a summary of the argument that, since the woman who's pregnant is going to have to carry the baby, they don't have to be forced to do so. It only affects them, so the argument goes, so they mustn't have to if they don't want to.

But what is "carrying a vaccine"? It just isn't analogous. Is it particularly detrimental? And does it harm other people if you take it? What about if you don't? The answers to those questions are "not really", "almost never" and "sometimes fatally", because even the worst, most badly-researched, most corrupt, cheapest vaccines are not literal poison.

But considering that whether "my body, my choice" applies is completely incidental, let's move on.


I mean the idea of your last post, is outlining I presume something you read, that states 'cowpox, for smallpox' is a good talking point to win a vaxxer debate?

No, I've read nothing of the sort. I do know that it was the first vaccine, and it was around before fetal tissue and growing in eggs became a thing. It was literally just pus that made you a little bit ill, and stopped you from getting the often-fatal smallpox later. This technique was crude: it gave people a clear and obvious rash, and made them quite ill. Sometimes they died. There was plenty of opposition. And yet governments permitted and – eventually, once it had been heavily researched – practically mandated it. Why?

Well, this is smallpox. This is cowpox. If you get cowpox, you don't get smallpox. So people voluntarily got themselves infected with cowpox, which quickly caused smallpox outbreaks to slow… and then stop.

And now we don't have smallpox any more. Anywhere.

The idea of someone individually, or in mass deciding not to do something, is sacred to a free society.

This is true. However, I don't recall the majority of people wanting vaccination to no longer be mandatory. You live in a democratic country, where you have to obey laws set by other people. *snicker* That's the theory, anyway. It benefits the majority for you to get vaccinated, and you should get vaccinated. The chances are, you won't suffer adverse effects at all, and if you do? Better than what you're being vaccinated against.

What do you say to the person who allowed themselves to be injected, and in turn have an 'adverse event' that may impact their entire lives, for the rest of their life?

I say "sorry", and then I support research into preventing it from happening again. (I'd say do research, but at this point I'm probably not going to go into medicine.)

How many of these people are there, though? And how many people would have permanent blindness from Rubella, or got meningitis from Mumps, or… well, I'll quote Wikipedia for Measles:

The death rate in the 1920s was around 30% for measles pneumonia. […] One out of every 1,000 measles cases progresses to acute encephalitis, which often results in permanent brain damage. One or two out of every 1,000 children who become infected with measles will die from respiratory and neurological complications.

So, tell me, what's better?

  • Tens of people get complications significantly reducing their quality of life.
  • Tens of thousands of people die.

The only difference is that we cause the former by action, and the latter by inaction.


Just so you know my stance on the matter, I'm all for pushing the vaccine companies to make them safer, and do more research, and actually investigate cases where it's gone wrong instead of just sitting on their ill-gotten millions. But I'll still take the vaccines.

My Body... My Choice.. by useless_aether in DepopulationWatch

[–]useless_aether[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

New York parents are holding 'measles parties' to intentionally infect their children instead of getting vaccinated https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-6903821/New-York-orders-mandatory-measles-vaccinations-blasts-misinformation-fueling-outbreak.html

thats the traditional, proper way to go about it

My Body... My Choice.. by useless_aether in DepopulationWatch

[–]HopeThatHalps 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The only laws that currently exist apply to children. Anything else is a red herring.

Merck's own clinical trials prove that their HPV vaccine resulted in autoimmune disease, death, birth defects, and a higher rate of cancer than in unvaccinated girls. And then, they aggressively marketed and distributed it anyway. by useless_aether in DepopulationWatch

[–]Tom_Bombadil 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Great post.

Merck knew all this, and deliberately covered it up, just as Merck years before had covered up knowledge that its Vioxx product was causing vascular events such as strokes and heart attacks, and wound up killing an estimated 90,000 people.

Let's not forget that Merck's most famous scientist admited on video that Merck brought on the AIDS epidemic, and SV-40 virus cancer epidemic.

My Body... My Choice.. by useless_aether in DepopulationWatch

[–]HeyImSancho 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

*****Couple articles related/relevant to this thread******

Mayor de Blasio declares health emergency orders measles vaccinations https://wcbs880.radio.com/articles/mayor-de-blasio-declares-health-emergency-orders-measles-vaccinations-williamsburg-amid

New York parents are holding 'measles parties' to intentionally infect their children instead of getting vaccinated https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-6903821/New-York-orders-mandatory-measles-vaccinations-blasts-misinformation-fueling-outbreak.html

My Body... My Choice.. by useless_aether in DepopulationWatch

[–]HeyImSancho 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The op didn't say children, I didn't say children, but between other posters, and yourself, it became about the children. My point is, it's about everyone. Again, there are professions that force vaccines; to opt out, good luck in getting hired, or being included, or treated with dignity, or respect.

The argument I think I keep reading out of many posters in this thread, is 'the individual must make concessions for the greater good of all'; even to the point of putting something into your body to cause change on the molecular level.

That sure doesn't sound like choice, and sounds very much like command and control authoritarianism; communism by extension.

You can take that argument, 'for the greater good', and apply it across the board on so many fronts; limiting so many liberties. People have done it, people are doing it, and they'll keep on doing it.

On that note, there's that old saying, what goes up, must come down, or any variation of that phrase will work for my point. We will regulate to there's not a single 'whit', or 'clue' left in people; we're almost there now for most. In the end, from this quagmire of regulations we actively grovel for, will be absolute stupid chaos.

It will be, because people will allow themselves to give up their common sense, critical thinking skills, and personal responsibility; none of which are necessary for the direction we're headed.

My Body... My Choice.. by useless_aether in DepopulationWatch

[–]HopeThatHalps 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The existing laws only apply to children that attend public schools, so afaik if they don't attend public school there is no requirement. I think in general, the notion that laws should always adhere to absolutes never proves to be 100% practical because no man is an island, and in this case we're also talking about kids, dependent minors, who have less individual rights than an adult anyhow.

My Body... My Choice.. by useless_aether in DepopulationWatch

[–]HeyImSancho 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The phrase 'my body, my choice'; you're extenuating, or growing the phrase; giving it context in a direction of doom(doesn't have to be). Meaning, you, and apparently many here, think that the govt. is good, and pharmaceuticals are great; surely these moral giants wouldn't lie to us. We should all take a few vaccines, or more because 'authority' stated it would save all of our lives, right?

I comprehend the line of thinking, as it's all over the msm/regular media, and in every grocery store window; get your flu shot here! They paint everything in a very cornered subjective box, while proclaiming it's all by way of objective concern, true concern for each individual and also for the greater good.

BUT, is it? Vaccines first of all are pushed across the entire societal board; not just to the angle of children in school, as posed by comments to the OP. There are people forced to vaccinate for numerous jobs; it's not just about 'the children'. We're all under that gun.

Basically your argument is, 'my body, my choice', is dangerous to all of society, where any non-vaccinated individual comes into contact with any group of people, is this correct?

I'm fairly sure this is your argument, and that of other posters. My question is simple, where do we stop regulating, and telling people how to live? I mean if we go this direction, there are multitudes of personal 'liberties', that could be viewed in the same light as being unsafe to the whole; using the govt. given subjective view of any topic, with information that pushes the goal post more so in our favor in condemning these liberties.

Furthermore, we really can break the argument, to vax, or not vax, into the argument of Safety/security vs. freedom/liberty. What do we get then????

Safety, and security, are great, but they can also be used to mask the realities of life, to cause ignorance to said realities. Life's a crap shoot, you can regulate, legislate, and have authoritative dictates on everyone; yet it won't make people happy, and considering life's a crap shoot, what of the law of diminishing returns?

At some point, we'll be so safe, life will cease to exist as we know it, lol.

My Body... My Choice.. by useless_aether in DepopulationWatch

[–]HeyImSancho 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You're arguing the phrase doesn't apply because of your viewpoint, which to sum up, is that you're simply pro vaccine. Am I wrong with that assumption?

I mean we can go over multitudes of counter documentation, studies, and opinions by people with the intellectual, as well as the academic achievements, necessary for some people, to be 'authorities' in the subject, that disagree with vaccines. I mean the idea of your last post, is outlining I presume something you read, that states 'cowpox, for smallpox' is a good talking point to win a vaxxer debate? In contrast though, I guarantee there will be someone with decent reasoning why not to ingest such a vaccine.

That's the point, people have differing opinions. The idea of someone individually, or in mass deciding not to do something, is sacred to a free society. If safety for the greater good is more important, than choice, then we're not free. Does the safety aspect outweigh the personal choice in your opinion, and why?

If it's a matter of safety, in your words, what should be done?

I guess on that note though, at this point the phrase, 'my body, my choice' can absolutely seem appropriate, or not(this goes towards your opening post that was a two line 'this doesn't even come close to applying' statement regarding the phrase)?

Also, again with your strong stance towards vaccines being good, and necessary(I presume you feel this way?), you state,"there's very little for which a safe and effective vaccine can't exist'".

What do you say to the person who allowed themselves to be injected, and in turn have an 'adverse event' that may impact their entire lives, for the rest of their life? Do these people in your opinion, in your own words, can these people own the phrase, "my body, my choice", post said event? Meaning they never again have to be jabbed, is that okay?

My Body... My Choice.. by useless_aether in DepopulationWatch

[–]wizzwizz4 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's a thought-terminating cliché. It doesn't actually mean anything at this point; just "I have my stance on this massive, difficult ethical dilemma, and I'm sticking to it! because I'm right." I mean, I agree with said stance, like you, but…

My Body... My Choice.. by useless_aether in DepopulationWatch

[–]HopeThatHalps 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

True. Regarding the "my body, my choice", the idea is that the fetus is a person, and you'd be using "your body" to kill a person, the same as if you used "your gun" or "your car". I'm pro-choice personally, but I think "my body, my choice" is a dumb slogan that doesn't address the underlying ethical dilemma.

My Body... My Choice.. by useless_aether in DepopulationWatch

[–]cmdrrockawesome 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Exactly. It doesn't really work because not vaccinating can have a direct negative effect on other people -- often times, some of the most medically vulnerable. It'd be more apt to say "Everyone else's body, my choice" when talking about vaccinating.

My Body... My Choice.. by useless_aether in DepopulationWatch

[–]cmdrrockawesome 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

This is the correct take. It's not "My body, my choice." when that choice has the potential to negatively affect others. You don't want to vaccinate you kids? Fine. Don't take them anywhere in public and don't expose them to any other people (especially kids) unless you explicitly tell them your child isn't vaccinated.

There are plenty of immuno-compromised people and unvaccinated children and infants out there (for legitimate medical reasons) who are put at risk every time they encounter an unvaccinated person. It's irresponsible and borderline immoral to take your unvaccinated children anywhere in public.

My Body... My Choice.. by useless_aether in DepopulationWatch

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Something.

My Body... My Choice.. by useless_aether in DepopulationWatch

[–]wizzwizz4 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You used to be working to make Saidit a nice place. And now you're abandoning it for a petty vendetta. Why?

If you don't like what I'm saying, ignore it. It'll go away. In fact, it's the fastest way to make it go away. If you disagree, then feel free to reply with a coherent argument; you might even convince me. But don't turn into the trolls and shitposters you sought to leave behind.

My Body... My Choice.. by useless_aether in DepopulationWatch

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Something.

My Body... My Choice.. by useless_aether in DepopulationWatch

[–]wizzwizz4 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The phrase isn't owned by the abortion crowd. But the "my body, my choice" argument doesn't immediately apply to vaccines.

The smallpox vaccine, using cowpox (an example of an uncontroversially safe, effective vaccine), helps individuals to be individually more immune. This can save individuals from any infection whatsoever. However, the effect is much greater in a population, as the smallpox doesn't get near most people because people aren't surrounded by infected people, and so the effective effectiveness of the vaccine is much higher than the actual effectiveness.

In addition, such a vaccine would allow immunocompromised individuals to benefit from "herd immunity", which is basically "you don't get the illness in the first place, so you can't get ill". This herd immunity is the reason that not having vaccines doesn't have a negative effect on most people… but it'll stab them in the back if lots of people stop having vaccines and diseases are able to spread again.

Vaccines benefit individuals. If a vaccine doesn't benefit an individual, we need a better one; there's very little for which a safe and effective vaccine can't exist.

My Body... My Choice.. by useless_aether in DepopulationWatch

[–]HopeThatHalps 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

My body my choice seems clear in just about any context I can see. It's non threatening to others,

If a child has typhoid though, and that child goes to school, that body is a threat to others.

If you applied the same logic to 'my gun, my choice', or 'my car, my choice', then both have an element of something external that can be used to cause harm

In this case it's not internal/external, but that which you have dominion over, which includes your property, too.

My Body... My Choice.. by useless_aether in DepopulationWatch

[–]wizzwizz4 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Hey! That actually took me a long time to think up, thank you very much!

(Still not a shill. Seriously, are you trying to promote different viewpoints?)

My Body... My Choice.. by useless_aether in DepopulationWatch

[–]HeyImSancho 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

My body my choice seems clear in just about any context I can see. It's non threatening to others, as well as to oneself; meaning it shouldn't get the SWAT team called on you, and it also shouldn't result in a 3 day forced stay at a mental facility for 'self harm'.

If you applied the same logic to 'my gun, my choice', or 'my car, my choice', then both have an element of something external that can be used to cause harm, whether to self, or to others, which has a definite stronger possibility to bring in outsiders-cops.

The only other point I think I could make in regards to strength of simply, 'my body, my choice', can you think of an easier, and perhaps shorter, and as concise method of declaring that you, have dominion over your very own body?

My Body... My Choice.. by useless_aether in DepopulationWatch

[–]HeyImSancho 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Can you clearly explain/detail in your own words why? Using the mantra in this way conveys a clear message to myself. The mantra of 'my body, my choice' has had a clear, and successful campaign, as the adopted slogan for 'pro choice'; why not expand it for greater context, and/or application?

The idea of vaccines, and 'anti-vaxxers' would clearly be an issue of idiots if all data showed vaccines are 'awesome', but most vaccines come with a percentage of side effects, or I should say, X-percent of people will have some adverse side effect. Should they be forced to take it for the 'greater good'? If the vaccines aren't good enough to work on the individual basis, then why would anyone with a shred of common sense be forced into doing something to themselves for the 'greater good', when those pushing the greater good angle admit that something designed to cause change in a single body won't work unless everyone gets it???? That's crazy, and what idiots do.

To myself, I can put in my own words why I think 'my body, my choice', is appropriately reused in this sense. People simply don't trust the vaccines, the real rallying cry should be 'get one, to protect yourself', but instead we hear a looser version of 'force everyone,(as they really don't work) so the by default placebo effect will work.... Screw vaccines, and unless you can show me how 'my body my choice' doesn't work, or is owned lock, stock, and barrel by the abortion crowd, then it works ;)

My Body... My Choice.. by useless_aether in DepopulationWatch

[–]HopeThatHalps 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Such laws apply to children who attend public schools, as a means of preventing public health crisis. It's in no way logically related to abortion.

That being said, "my body my choice" doesn't really address the moral dilemma of abortion in the first place. Why not "my gun my choice" if I decide to shoot you, or "my car my choice" if I run you over?

My Body... My Choice.. by useless_aether in DepopulationWatch

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks, my friend! :-)

My Body... My Choice.. by useless_aether in DepopulationWatch

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Nice script.

My Body... My Choice.. by useless_aether in DepopulationWatch

[–]wizzwizz4 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well, you obviously shouldn't be using "My Body, My Choice" as a thought-terminating cliché. It's not an argument; merely a summary of one, and that argument doesn't apply in full to vaccines.

My Body... My Choice.. by useless_aether in DepopulationWatch

[–]friend 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's Kayode Ewumi. The meme is called "Roll Safe".

My Body... My Choice.. by useless_aether in DepopulationWatch

[–]Tom_Bombadil 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Is that Levar Burton from "Reading Rainbow"?

Crusade against anti-vaxxers: Russian Health ministry & consumer rights watchdog lead the charge by useless_aether in DepopulationWatch

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

a horror-show broth of deadly preservatives and secret pogroms.

Words do not exist to describe the horrific facts.

Vaccines ushered in the modern era of HIV, and cancer.

HIV. No introduction necessary.

SM-40:. A cancer causing polyoma virus. It is responsible for the ongoing soft tissue cancer epidemic starting in the 60's.
An estimated 30 million contaminated polio vaccines were administered to Americans in the early 60's.

These are the catastrophes that were leaked, but suppressed.

Who knows what else went unreported...

Crusade against anti-vaxxers: Russian Health ministry & consumer rights watchdog lead the charge by useless_aether in DepopulationWatch

[–]useless_aether[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

my take, make public the manufacturing process and ingredients and conduct long-term clinical trials that are not a whitewash. change the laws so the companies can be held responsible.

Crusade against anti-vaxxers: Russian Health ministry & consumer rights watchdog lead the charge by useless_aether in DepopulationWatch

[–]kazenmusic 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

One interesting side light on all this is the difficulty faced by Health Authorities, of proving that their vaccines are truly safe and scientific, and not a horror-show broth of deadly preservatives and secret pogroms.

I don't know how I would try to deal, if it were my responisibility- which thankfully it is not.

Some things don't change by useless_aether in DepopulationWatch

[–]wizzwizz4 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Then why are you using race as a measure of ethnicity? (Is it because there isn't really a good metric?)

Some things don't change by useless_aether in DepopulationWatch

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No. I'm mean ethnicity, by ethnicity.

Race is a political term. The term "race" is not interchangable with ethnicity.

Some things don't change by useless_aether in DepopulationWatch

[–]wizzwizz4 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Oh, you meant race by "ethnicity". Ok. Thanks for the clarification.

Some things don't change by useless_aether in DepopulationWatch

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Agreed.

Some things don't change by useless_aether in DepopulationWatch

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

87.1% white in 2011.

There's no way you even tried.

Some things don't change by useless_aether in DepopulationWatch

[–]wizzwizz4 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I tried that.

Or do you mean census statistics for reported ethnicity? Surely that'll just be testing how many options the government puts in?

Some things don't change by useless_aether in DepopulationWatch

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Census statistics is a logical starting point.

Some things don't change by useless_aether in DepopulationWatch

[–]wizzwizz4 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Sorry, Tom, I can't deal with this today. I could pick any statistic and you'd argue against it in this manner.

How am I supposed to show ethnic and cultural diversity – something that you can't really quantify – using the data from sources that we'd both consider unbiased (e.g. the census)?

Some things don't change by useless_aether in DepopulationWatch

[–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Nothing has been ruled out.

Your attempt to defend your argument is an absurdity.

Ethnicity has absolutely nothing at all to do with religion.

People can change their religion.

Ethnicity cannot be changed.

For example:

Jesus was Jewish.

Modern Israelis are typically Jewish from eastern european origins.

Jesus was not eastern european.

Due to Health Concerns, Brussels Stops 5G Installation -- For Now by useless_aether in DepopulationWatch

[–]hennaojisan 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The link I sent you has several studies linked inside. Since 5G was rolled out without any announcements there is good reason to be alarmed. The reason there have been no studies, is because the equipment was kept secret until it suddenly started appearing all over the country. If I am fear mongering then a lot of other people are doing it.

Some things don't change by useless_aether in DepopulationWatch

[–]wizzwizz4 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I know it's not the most reliable source, but it has a pie chart. Using religion as a rough indicator of culture (because more can agree on the metric than on ethnicity):

US religion (scroll down) (note that "Christian" is separated into three groups, and is massive. UK religion, however, provides a still-large "Christian" but about twice the number of other religions. Note that there are enough that it can actually name several and still have them visible on the pie chart.

But, to answer your facetious question, "Irish" is usually considered a different ethnic group to "English". And, more relevantly, the distribution of these groups is (anecdotally) a lot[vague] less polarised than in the US.

But, anyway, I think we've ruled out ethnic diversity as the reason for the discrepancy. Any other possible factors?

Some things don't change by useless_aether in DepopulationWatch

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Are you going to stick to your claim that the UK has twice the ethnic diversity as the US?

Are you also claiming that Scottish, Irish, and English should be considered distinct ethnic groups?

Some things don't change by useless_aether in DepopulationWatch

[–]wizzwizz4 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The UK.

Due to Health Concerns, Brussels Stops 5G Installation -- For Now by useless_aether in DepopulationWatch

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

So they shouldn't implement it until they know.

Some things don't change by useless_aether in DepopulationWatch

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Let's confirm.

I'm in the US. What country are you claiming to be in/from?

Edit: wizzwizz4 loves the forum slide. Here's the TLDR: She's from GB.
87.1% white in the 2011 census..

It's a functionally homogenous society.

Some things don't change by useless_aether in DepopulationWatch

[–]wizzwizz4 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No, it doesn't, actually. It's got greater ethnic diversity; at least double, by a back-of-the-envelope census calculation.

We have decent sex education; maybe it's that?

Some things don't change by useless_aether in DepopulationWatch

[–]wizzwizz4 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Applause.jpg

Please, both of you, stay on this site and see if you can't spread this attitude. (cc /u/useless_aether)

Some things don't change by useless_aether in DepopulationWatch

[–]wizzwizz4 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

?

Due to Health Concerns, Brussels Stops 5G Installation -- For Now by useless_aether in DepopulationWatch

[–]Zombi 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

So, the actual letter that that paper is based off of is actually calling for more testing to be done. The article itself makes it out like scientists are saying it is dangerous when they're saying (what I'm saying) that we don't know. The main risk seems to be that 5G implementation will result in chronic exposure to "Class 2B human carcinogens". Now that sounds scary, lets look up what that actually means:

The agent (mixture) is "possibly carcinogenic to humans". The exposure circumstance entails exposures that are possibly carcinogenic to humans.

Key word there, possibly. If we take a gander at the list of Class 2B Carcinogens, we find even more confusion:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_IARC_Group_2B_carcinogens

Now we have things on this list that are pretty well known to be carcinogenic, like carbon nanotubes. Yet, after taking a closer look we find things such as Uracil mustard (which is ironically used in chemotherapy), Kava extract (a natural drink consumed by millions with seemingly no adverse effects), and our very own EMF field (cellphone frequencies such as 4G) which has been in use for decades. Huh, seems like this list is near meaningless and tells us literally nothing. Please, look at various items. Certain things are most definitely harmful, like DDT. Then there's stuff like Nickel and a chemical found in literally all plants. So if this list is used as proof of something being carcinogenic, then every single plant on earth is carcinogenic.

So what does this letter and by extension your article tell us? Exactly what I've been saying this entire time: We don't know.

Again, this is blatant fear mongering in my eyes. Go ahead and look into it yourself. All of these articles are speculation, which is what I'm trying to get across!

Due to Health Concerns, Brussels Stops 5G Installation -- For Now by useless_aether in DepopulationWatch

[–]Zombi 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Would I like to see testing done? Absolutely.

Do I feel we should immediately jump to the conclusion that the government is going to use it to target individuals? Absolutely not.

I think we should say we don't know and stop right there. It's all the extra "stuff" attached to "why don't they have more tests done" that irks me.

Due to Health Concerns, Brussels Stops 5G Installation -- For Now by useless_aether in DepopulationWatch

[–]Zombi 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

First of all the weapon in question is more powerful and focused than the frequencies used in the 5G network with 95GHz at what appears to be a single target. The 5G network has a range of 6GHz - 86GHz, which is a noticeable 9GHz less than the military grade weapon.

So we're talking about a stronger, focused beam being directly targeted at an individual versus a weaker, spread out beam. They also note that the beam makes you "Feel as if your whole body is on fire." While adding that it is not lethal, but very unpleasant. You think they would really roll something like this out if it caused you to feel immense discomfort? To hundreds of millions of people?

So I really think we're jumping the gun here in terms of how lethal it is. It's like saying that the rain is dangerous because there's high powered hoses out there that can slice right through you with the same amount of water. One is completely safe (minus the whole flooding thing lol) and the other is used to cut steel, yet both use the same amount of water.

Once further evidence shows that 5G when used as a cellphone service is harmful then I'll bend, but again all there is on the matter is pure speculation. I don't buy into speculation and I'm not even arguing it's safe. I'm saying we don't know.

Call for further tests, that's completely reasonable. Calling it genocide and saying the government is weaponizing it and they're testing it out in lamp posts in england is going completely off the deep end IMO. Making comparisons between two completely different applications of the same thing is NOT evidence, it's pure speculation. I'm all for new technology being tested for safety, I'm not for fear mongering and paranoia.

Sources below:

https://healthfreedomidaho.org/5g-military-weapon

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5G#Standards

Some things don't change by useless_aether in DepopulationWatch

[–]anescient 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It will never be over.

Due to Health Concerns, Brussels Stops 5G Installation -- For Now by useless_aether in DepopulationWatch

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I have faith that my toaster oven won't kill me. But if I find out there are military uses for it as there are proven 5G weaponization uses I might reconsider. The fact that they refuse to do sufficient tests is VERY troubling and the community towers have secret proprietary designs that may include a weapon mode or whatever...

Isreal was just "testing" their sound canons on Palestinians. The US is in bed and protective of Israel. When A.I. takes all our jobs there will be WAAAAAY more have nots.

We need to prepare for the worst and hope for the best.

Some things don't change by useless_aether in DepopulationWatch

[–]poestal 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

i would leave it to the family to make a decision and leave the state out of the picture.

yeah thats something that I agree with; let the families choose due to their personal context of the situation rather than states legislators making laws forbidding to do so due to religious or morality sake.

thank you for your time and answering my questions.

Some things don't change by useless_aether in DepopulationWatch

[–]useless_aether[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

and i'm saying that because I always hear people virtue signaling that they would care for unwanted children rather than abortion but thats rarely true. not only is it very rare that they adopt but if/when they do they very much choose a child within 5 year age range thats perfectly healthy rather than an older child.

i know, people want perfect and easy lives, thats why i said if left wo a choice.. soon i will visit a friend with an autistic child, maybe it will be educative

birth defects like cyclopia 1/16,000 probability. trisomy18 1/5,000, anencephaly 1/3,350 , CHD 1/4, and thousands of others that are potentialy fatal, or there's others like fibrodysplasia or Epidermolysis bullosa that aren't potentially lethal but leads to a very short lifespan of nothing but misery to the diagnosed (there's a lot more than just downs).

i would leave it to the family to make a decision and leave the state out of the picture.