Nostr: The decentralized future of social media? (1:41:17) ~ ReasonTV

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[–]JasonCarswellDAT Mod[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

/u/Zapped : https://www.youtube.com/live/pi2JbHWd_BM?feature=share&t=4067

[–]Zapped 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Interesting. Should I sue? /s

[–]JasonCarswellDAT Mod[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Zapped = past tense
Zapping = present tense

You can cut the tension with a zap.

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/u/being-poisoned, /u/HongKongPhooey, /u/LarrySwinger2 - Thoughts?

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Briefly looked at their documents here https://nostr.com/ you know how I feel about videos

I'd have to spend more time looking at their docs to understand completely how this is supposed to work....but I'll try to explain the high-level overview.

Its P2P...sort of. A 'user' is a just a public/private asymmetric key pair rather than the 'peer'. You use the keypair to access a client app, of which apparently there are many different versions created by different people (i.e. different apps). The clients connect to 'relays' which can be run by anyone, and act as the physical location where the data is published to. The client interacts with the relays and fetches the shit you want

I'd think of this more as an infrastructure than a social media 'app', I'd have to spend more time looking at this to tell you if I think this can solve all the problems they think it can, or whether this relationship between user/client/relay would result in a disjointed clusterfuck like Mastodon and the decentralverse does where the nodes all cross-block each other.

[–]JasonCarswellDAT Mod[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

Read the auto-transcript of the discussion.
Or learn to play it at 2.5x speed while washing the dishes or something - very akin to reading except your hands and eyes are free to do other things.

I'd think of this more as an infrastructure than a social media 'app'

Exactly. As Edward Snowden was quoted video, rather than a silo, Nostr is a river.

this can solve all the problems they think it can

They admit it's not perfect. But it's a step in the right direction. One limitation they admit is that there is not a simple plug-n-play client that most people can use. Maybe you can work on that? An app, module, addon, whatever. Simpler or complex. Like all things IMO ideally it would have 4 modes: 1) plug-n-play, 2) basic, 3) advanced, 4) expert.

disjointed clusterfuck

The cross-blocking is only up to the end-user, as it should be - not the tribes or shitty admins.

I fear complex chaos bloat too. Not sure if/how there are ways to categorize/organize/search/sort/tag/vote content, individually or collectively.

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The cross-blocking is only up to the end-user, as it should be - not the tribes or shitty admins.

I'll take a deeper look at what they are doing, but the part that gives me concern is the clients apps. These client apps could conceivably blacklist certain relays (content nodes) that they don't approve of, with each app interfacing their infrastructure only showing you approved bits of the network. The client app would have to give the user this control, as user is not itself part of the network just a keypair. Now I suspect they did this because it does anonymize you and prevent you from broadcasting your IP, as nobody connects to you, they connect to the relay, but the client app idea has some things theyd need to protect against to prevent this from becoming a dumpster fire where you need a different app to access each relay, and I haven't gotten deep enough into their design to see if this is addressed in any way

[–]JasonCarswellDAT Mod[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Interesting.

My biggest concern is Jack Dorsey, establishment shill, likely in there to set up or at understand the fundamental or inherent weaknesses that can be exploited later. Like what you've thought of.

Naturally there will be critical eyes all over this trying to find and/or expose exploits. It would be folly to openly build something that's fucked over from the beginning. Yet, Android exists.

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Oh I didn't think to get the transcript, I'll do that. It's just me and the manifestation of my ADHD. I can't multitask, I have two modes, hyperfocused and distracted, and reading forces me to actively rather than passively absorb it which makes it much easier for my neurotic auto-pilot to engage focus mode

[–]JasonCarswellDAT Mod[S] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

/u/Jackorobot, master of none.

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/u/Jackorobot, master of none.

I am a master of everything, but only one thing at a time

[–]JasonCarswellDAT Mod[S] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Typo: Tasker of one.

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Yet another brand new protocol that's 90% the same as activitypub. Yawn.

[–]JasonCarswellDAT Mod[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Yes and no.

There are islands of access in the Federation. The Woke, the Deplorables, etc. They do not share info. Thus folks are limited by their tribes and shitty admins.

Nostr doesn't discriminate and lets the end user filter as they see fit.

[–]LarrySwinger2 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

What's important to me is how it looks. I looked at one of the web frontends and it was comment-centric, so the frontpage displays comments without their context, which is a batshit insane idea. That was Snort. Maybe the title is a reference to how the creator snorts too much coke. The other one I tried was Coracle, which was loading Javascript forever, and in that sense it's Gab Plus. HongKongPoopy does a much better job assessing the technical aspects, I care about a web client that looks good and is robust, I'm not seeing that here.

[–]JasonCarswellDAT Mod[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Good feedback. Yes, an aesthetic and ergonomic GUI is important, regardless of the protocols. Perhaps there are some FLOSS interfaces that can be improved upon.

I wondered if Snort was an acronym, but it turns out one Snort is not a social media platform nor uses Nostr.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snort_(software)

But It looks like there's another Snort, among other apps.
https://nostrclients.webflow.io

It might be neat if addons or apps like Lemmy, Movim, OpenCola, etc could use the Internet, TOR, Nostr, torrents, and other protocols interchangeably and/or simultaneously - whatever it takes to get the info across securely.