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[–]_patri0t_ 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (17 children)

September 19th. The wait will be over. Me and the team have been working around the clock to bring a new type of social media for conservatives. Blockchain + decentralization + social media. We will offer a native cryptocurrency and will operate on the Ethereum Blockchain. We are looking for one more front end developer. Stay tuned for more!

[–]JasonCarswellDAT Mod[S] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

Please make a post about this with more details and please cc me, /u/d3rr, /u/LarrySwinger2, /u/fschmidt, and /u/hellosaidit. (Note: only 3 users max are pinged per comment.)

I have some /s/Cassy stuff to share too, but I need to wait until I've got more progress on another couple projects, perhaps until after 9/11. (See also: /s/PhoenixForum.)

I don't consider myself a Conservative, and the corporate Left have gone insane while corrupting Progressive as a term, but the old-Left still exists. Is your platform open to them and Voluntaryists?

Another thing I was going to do after 9/11 was start lists of uncensored resources for "deplorables", "anti-vaxxers", etc. For example there are lists of all known "acceptable" Lemmy instances, but those lists do not include instances that have been shunned. This applies to many platforms and IMO these resources should be developed, tallied, maintained, and shared/backedup/mirrored/decentralized.

[–]_patri0t_ 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

Hey JasonCarswell!

Wow, you gave us a lot to look through last night. We love what you're doing, it's very impressive that you've been putting in all this work for what you believe. Something like this is definitely time consuming and not easy. We spent the whole night last night checking out /s/Cassy, /s/PhoenixForum and even the SaidIt source code on github. We were pleased to see that the old Reddit source code uses a lot of Python as we have 2 Python devs on the team.

Anyways, yes, we are pretty early in the game to do a full post. We have backend source code and that's about it at the moment. We just recruited a front end Javascript guy and will be starting to build that out pretty quick. September 19th is when we hope to drop a full post about it after we deploy our ERC20 Token to the Ethereum Blockchain. We want to work out a couple bugs and have some screenshots and a homepage up. We may be in touch earlier than that, everything you directed us to look at was thought provoking and has us re-thinking a couple things.

As far as accepting other viewpoints, absolutely. We welcome open discussion from any viewpoint. We are marketing towards conservatives because we have had a rough time with censorship in recent times. We believe that there is a demand for a sort of "algorithm free" social media where if you sort by new you literally just get all the content sorted by new and not try to interfere with what the user discovers. Having said that it will be easy for a user to tailor the experience in such a way that he/she only sees content he/she wants. No ads, signup with Ethereum address, communities, vote to ban with crypto etc. We run everything in Docker containers and want to make this as available as possible.

As far as lists go, we will have a voting system where you pay with crypto ( a tiny fraction of gas ) to vote and everything will be tied to your public Ether address. This aims to allow fair voting combined with our anti-bot software so that the only way you won't get your content seen is if enough people genuinely don't want to hear it. This is especially complex and most of our time is spent writing tests but it needs to be implemented in a fair provable way.

We will definitely be around and when the time is right we will make a full post. Thank you for everything.

[–]JasonCarswellDAT Mod[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

/u/AmericanMuskrat, /u/zyxzevn, and /u/Node might like to tune into this discussion.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I saw his first post, it is very interesting.

[–]JasonCarswellDAT Mod[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

/u/d3rr (SaidIt's admin), /u/LarrySwinger2, and /u/Optimus85 might like to tune into this discussion.

[–]JasonCarswellDAT Mod[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

everything you directed us to look at was thought provoking and has us re-thinking a couple things.

We have much more to discuss too, after 9/11. What was most thought-provoking what was worth re-thinking?

As far as accepting other viewpoints, absolutely.

More food for thought: /s/debatealtright/comments/889m/what_are_the_alternatives_to_sdebatealtright/

We believe that there is a demand for a sort of "algorithm free" social media where if you sort by new you literally just get all the content sorted by new and not try to interfere with what the user discovers.

IMO this is good, but could be better... Imagine if the DB and algorithms were 100% transparent and you could write your own expressions, share them, and make GUIs for them so that non-coders and normies could set their own preferences (within site-wide and sub-wide limits) and search engines. IMO "smart" A.I. is always foiled by incessant need for top-down control. We don't need smart or censored or controlled - we just need accurate analysis and stats to work with.

Having said that it will be easy for a user to tailor the experience in such a way that he/she only sees content he/she wants.

IMO, this will create bubbles and I think a solution would be to keep 10% random content (or whatever number determined by open transparent community discussions) in order to help make sure the content they don't want is still unwanted and that it is still classified/meta-tagged/labelled properly. This is what I meant by "site-wide limits" and if you get 90% of the content you want (for free) then you pay the price of sorting 10% random stuff.

No ads, signup with Ethereum address, communities, vote to ban with crypto etc. We run everything in Docker containers and want to make this as available as possible.

I'm not against ads/marketing - if done properly*. In fact, I have a Zillion Dollar Idea™ that I haven't shared yet related to interactive marketing that is customizable on MANY levels (a big list) and could be better utilized if something like MetaVote™ existed to use with it. *Ads and this ZDI are entirely separate discussions.

Around January or March or so (very possibly by /u/panzerF) a universal login thing was posted (I looked but couldn't find it) as an alternative replacement to all pervasive Google/Facebook login authentication (not to be confused with authorization to spy) that seemed promising, if true as sold. This would be great for anons to carry their reputations to otherwise unconnected sites.

"Vote to ban with crypto" sounds like an invitation to be bought out.

Lemmy is run in Docker. I don't know much about it other than it has pros and cons like anything. Care to share some of your ideas on Docker?

As far as lists go, we will have a voting system where you pay with crypto ( a tiny fraction of gas ) to vote and everything will be tied to your public Ether address. This aims to allow fair voting combined with our anti-bot software so that the only way you won't get your content seen is if enough people genuinely don't want to hear it. This is especially complex and most of our time is spent writing tests but it needs to be implemented in a fair provable way.

This sounds interesting. We have reservations about embedding crypto for a variety of reasons. Besides technical hurdles and extreme complexity (with blind trust), we don't want to give authorities another excuse to stomp us, we don't want to be responsible or corruptible like an exchange or bank, we don't want to be limited to a single crypto, and we would hope to attract more coders to build custom features, widgets, and browser addons that can be folded into the Lemmy framework if it becomes standard and popular. This keeps the Lemmy focus on making the Lemmy framework better. These and other aspects can be built in parallel, and if one of many table legs falters, the platform remains.

We will definitely be around and when the time is right we will make a full post. Thank you for everything.

Thanks for explaining and I look forward to your post(s) and future interactions.

FYI, I'm going to be busy until 9/11 working on some video projects.

[–]send_nasty_stuff 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

What will the front end look like? Twitter? Reddit/saidit? Riot/element?

Also, how exactly are you planning on using crypto on the platform?

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

vote to ban with crypto

Do I at least get some of that crypto when people pay to ban me?

[–]JasonCarswellDAT Mod[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

/u/fschmidt, /u/send_nasty_stuff, and /u/hellosaidit might like to tune into this discussion.

[–]Node 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I may be a little too conservative to approve of 'crypto', but this sounds like an interesting project to watch.

[–]factchecker 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

i strongly suggest that you consider hosting your site on the TOR network.

it is much more difficult to get shutdown..

[–]JasonCarswellDAT Mod[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

Do you know much about hosting sites?

[–]factchecker 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

i used to write my websites in C language on a linux box.. but now my preference is to use codeblocks gcc compiler at the dos prompt of windows 10.. mostly cuz i dont have a linux box now..

I have written the code for websites where my c language code can get as lengthy as 25k to 30k lines of code, which is a fairly complex website..

pretty much any of the major websites could be written in much less code..

atm i am kinda stuck on the TOR network for hosting... i get so bored listening to how parler got shutdown by its hosting company, etc... and doesnt saidit ocassionally get warning shots from their hosting provider? telling saidit to shutdown something or the hosting provider will shutdown saidit?

i dont like anyone having that kind of control..

with a TOR hosted website, i host mine on a laptop that gets its connectivity from a mobile phone hotspot...

my domain name is FREE...

my hosting is FREE..

the only thing that i pay for is the bandwidth that is consumed by people that visit my page(which is none right now)

skeeter

/u/skeeter

[–]JasonCarswellDAT Mod[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

/u/LarrySwinger2 has been setting up our TOR stuff.

[–]factchecker 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Still, saidit is just another clusterfuck forum..

It is like a private party where everyone wears a blindfold, and all of your enemies are invited.

[–]JasonCarswellDAT Mod[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

♪ ♫ Rape train, rape train, everyone get on board the rape train! ♪ ♫

[–]LarrySwinger2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

He's talking about Incantation. A simple, beautiful phpBB forum run properly, that's the idea. Here's the non-Tor link for people who don't use Tor.