IPFSDecentralized Web Internet Alternative: IPFS

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[–]magnora7 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Your experience sounds interesting, thanks for etl

I was/am pissed at the misleading promise and overselling of BitChute with huge drawbacks

Can you tell me more about what's wrong with Bitchute? I've been thinking of using their WebRTS torrenting protocol to share the data for the site. (Instead of just the video data, ALL the data)

And then IPFS gives us a static IP that's on the cloud so a URL can be tied to it. Then we use that to create a static html frame landing page, and inside of that has a way to bootstrap in to our WebRTS network, which then shares all the other data, from the html to the javascript to the database. That's my current game plan, anyway.

I haven't read much about Holochain, but I'll read about it. Another thing I was hearing about was Ethereum has the ability to do computations as well as data-hosting, so theoretically we could port the code to an ethereum server, but in the end I think we'd have to port too much code and it wouldn't be fast enough. We kind of need it to be a box we can just drop all our code in to and it runs like a normal server, but is distributed. That'd be the ideal, anyway.

We are constantly doing backups, thanks for the advice. We're ready at the drop of a hat to move to a new server if this one gets shut down, and we could pick up right where we left off. We are super prepared for this, if it were to happen.

You said you're good at spreading the word... that's really what saidit needs right now. We could use a few more quality people who are interested in the deep kind of content saidit tries to regularly offer. I am basically our PR department, and I'm not super great at it tbh... I've gone on a few podcasts that got like 25k listens each and plugged the website, and I try to post about it on reddit whenever I can, but it's just hard going tbh. If you could help in this area that would be greatly appreciated...

Anyway, thanks for the exchange, I appreciate the decentralization information!

[–]JasonCarswellDAT Mod[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Aesthetic design and ergonomics aside BitChute is good but not great. Maybe it can become great, maybe not.

It's nice, even wonderful, that there are alternatives, but they are not strong and while we don't want to discourage supporting young tech, I don't think over selling it as a "solution" is honest, much less any exaggerated or false claims.

For example, saying the BitChute is decentralized is WAAAY overselling it. It's fantastic that they let/encourage you download the media. I think WebTorrent is fantastic so far as I know (I haven't used it much). But the BitTorrent had only worked for me about 2/18 of my attempts (last year, perhaps this is fixed) and videos were no longer seeded, even recent ones. Furthermore I couldn't even download direct at that time. If it doesn't work then it's not a solution. And that's not even my biggest gripe because that could potentially be fixed.

I don't know if BitChute now has a direct download or not. I haven't bothered following up as I've since discovered YouTube-DLG to download everything, including BitChute.

Like Steemit, BitChute is NOT decentralized. There is one central website you go to, regardless of what technology they use (Steemit uses private blockchain, and BitChute uses janky WebTorrents). THIS IS HUGE FALSE ADVERTISING.

KickAssTorrents took a huge hit when they got shut down. Since then they opened a bunch of mirror sites under similar domain names and extensions, possibly in several countries and they developed some (proprietary?) way of mirroring the data and functionality. Unfortunately their reputation took quite a beating and I don't know if they've recovered. Furthermore they now had more sites and more overhead to deal with, though it may have brought them greater security against a single point attack.

Furthermore, if it hasen't already, BitChute could embrace ZeroNet, IPFS, Holochain, among several others which may or may not be legit ( https://infogalactic.com/info/InterPlanetary_File_System#See_also ) for authentic decentralization. Even D-Tube which actually utilizes IPFS is oversold, under performs, and is underwhelming. Building nice websites isn't that hard so I really don't know why they fail that, though the back end volume hosting is another thing. I don't know why they don't cleave their site in two - one part player to embed, and a nicer social media site to embed into.

Ultimately those sites aren't terrible but they aren't our salvation yet either.

My knowledge of WebTorrent is limited to what's in the Wikipedia article I wrote about it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebTorrent I think it's fantastic if you can use it somehow.

I've been considering test driving IPFS for a year now but have yet to. Your description of how you'd use it is different than my limited understanding of its application.

Holochain has two currencies, one (or both?) is Ethereum based. I know almost nothing of Ethereum beyond it being another crypto, becoming more popular than ever.

Good but short: "Holochain vs Blockchain" (2:10) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JV8QZsNpFok

Okay but not new: "What are Distributed Hash Tables" (1:50) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhF_kvgfEZM

Slow and could be better: "Holochain Explained" (8:24) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyCtYrHJebs

Long but okay, maybe skip the first 5th: "AMA No. 17 w_ Matt Schutte" (58:47) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIx7_lENd2I

Glad to hear you've got your ducks in a row, backup wise.

I don't know if I'm good at spreading the word but I'll do my best. I'll certainly push SaidIt as much as possible in my day to day, like I do with InfoGalactic. I'm new to Reddit-style and like my wiki stuff but the alt-right isn't my scene and InfoGalactic has no community. Trutherism is my thing and my projects should do well utilizing both IG and SaidIt. Hopefully this little meme-like comicstrip-ish Trutherism 101 animated short series will become a hit among our crowd and beyond. I have many ideas about open sourcing and expanding the development in stages. I also intend for every episode to feature prominent closing (promotional) credits for InfoGalactic, SaidIt and whatever other indispensable resources deserve mention, as well as new recommendations for each episode (ie. "truther of the week", "book of the week", "solution of the week", "concept of the week", "spycraft jargon of the week", and/or "quote of the week") to promote alternative critical thinking and some of the better more legit folks around. More on this forthcoming.

Animation is a slow process. I think it's fair to say that we both would like this done yesterday. If you don't already see some value in my extremely limited partial outline above, I hope you'll see it sooner than later. If/when you do, I hope you might do me a kindness and try to keep me from being distracted too much here on SaidIt, and maybe even apply some friendly pressure to make progress towards producing results. The sooner I get some done, the sooner we'll reap the benefits of our fledgling labours. I don't intend the first series or few to be remotely as "extreme" in truth as it can and should get, but I do expect there will be pros and cons from more attention. We'll have lots of time to discuss this and line up ducks in the open development of it before it's released into the wild.