Google has been temporarily asked / forced? to stop listening in on its users across Europe after leaked data sparked privacy concerns by BillionDollarEgg3 in DecentralizeAllThings

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Maybe the US should ask them to stop listening in to our calls...

Gab Has Become Completely Unstoppable By "Federating" Now They Can't Get Shut Down by sawboss in DecentralizeAllThings

[–]d3rr 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Friendly reminder- don't threaten to take down statues on Gab or you will be banned.

Gab Has Become Completely Unstoppable By "Federating" Now They Can't Get Shut Down by sawboss in DecentralizeAllThings

[–]HumanBN 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's like if Saidit users could subscribe to subreddits and subverves on Voat and vice versa.

There's already alternatives for Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, WordPress and on and on.

Gab Has Become Completely Unstoppable By "Federating" Now They Can't Get Shut Down by sawboss in DecentralizeAllThings

[–]SierraKiloBravo 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I use noagendasocial.com which is an instance of Mastodon. The federation is the collective of all Mastodon instances. Like a giant venn diagram, each instance has their own turf, but can also view the rest of the "fediverse" and see what is out there beyond their own wall.

When I log into noagendasocial.com I can see my notifications in one column, the posts from everyone on noagendasocial.com in another column, and posts from the fediverse in another column. With Gab now joining the fediverse, I can now see posts from people posting from their instance in amongst all the posts from all the other instances.

I am not good at explaining things.

Gab Has Become Completely Unstoppable By "Federating" Now They Can't Get Shut Down by sawboss in DecentralizeAllThings

[–]sawboss[S] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Good. As as SaidIt allows non-communists to express our opinions it will eventually be a target.

Gab Has Become Completely Unstoppable By "Federating" Now They Can't Get Shut Down by sawboss in DecentralizeAllThings

[–]sawboss[S] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

tl;dr It means people can communicate across different networks without necessarily "subscribing" to those networks. It also means a centralized authority can't block or shape such communication. From the wiki article:

In networking systems, to be federated means users are able to send messages from one network to the other. This is not the same as having a client that can operate with both networks, but interacts with both independently. For example, in 2009, Google allowed GMail users to log in to their AOL Instant Messenger (AIM) accounts from GMail. One could not send messages from GTalk accounts or XMPP (which Google/GTalk is federated with—XMPP lingo for federation is s2s, which Facebook and MSN Live's implementations do not support[3]) to AIM screen names, nor vice versa.[4] In May 2011, AIM and Gmail federated, allowing users of each network to add and communicate with each other.

https://infogalactic.com/info/Federation_(information_technology)

If you think censorship on social media is bad, you should care about this.

Gab Has Become Completely Unstoppable By "Federating" Now They Can't Get Shut Down by sawboss in DecentralizeAllThings

[–]Riva 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What does federating mean? Link or something to explain it?

Gab Has Become Completely Unstoppable By "Federating" Now They Can't Get Shut Down by sawboss in DecentralizeAllThings

[–]magnora7 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

This is what I want for saidit eventually. Unable to be shut down.

Introducing Matrix 1.0 and the Matrix.org Foundation by d3rr in DecentralizeAllThings

[–]d3rr[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes

Introducing Matrix 1.0 and the Matrix.org Foundation by d3rr in DecentralizeAllThings

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

A+++

Can you utilize it for SaidIt, chat, etc?

A Discussion on Decentralization by CompleteDoubterII in DecentralizeAllThings

[–]CompleteDoubterII[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Pretty much everything, except taxation, I guess.

A Discussion on Decentralization by CompleteDoubterII in DecentralizeAllThings

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

/s/Energy

I have yet to post stuff about unharvested ocean currents, much about Thorium, or anything about GEET Technologies.

Moreover, most people don't realize how centralized all our power systems are - like everything else, from food to entertainment, from vehicles to you name it.

Folks don't need a 2 tonne metal vehicle for everything they do. We could build our own if we wanted to. "Their" laws might try to keep us off the streets.

Folks could also build their own generators. Most cities have a river nearby. You only need Niagra Falls and the Hoover Dam for CENTRALIZED power.

"They" destroyed the Los Angeles public transport system in order to sell you more cars and tires. Now they want to take back the cars and make us all rent. It's cultural engineering.

They or we could easily build small power generators, like cars, that don't need to be put up in the air with giant blades - again controlled by centralized interests. We could have paddle wheels along the banks of rivers, on pylons in the rivers, off floating barges, submerged, in the sewers - wherever. We already know how to make gears and transmissions to adapt to irregular variable flows.

"They" would have us believe there's an energy crisis, just like (((they))) would have us believe diamonds are rare.

Further, "they" don't offer much in the way of solutions, but there are abundant greener solutions that can be applied to old buildings. Or "they" could provide more, better, quality, and reliable public transport with private options - for free - so people would actually use it. But they won't.

Their paradigms need you to be exploited. Period.

A Discussion on Decentralization by CompleteDoubterII in DecentralizeAllThings

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Which grid do you mean?

Electric grid?

Phone, cable, Internet grid?

Water, gas, sewage?

Banking?

Commerce?

Social services (fire, ambulance, police, etc.)?

Taxation?

Citizenship (free men renouncing birth certificates)?

A Discussion on Decentralization by CompleteDoubterII in DecentralizeAllThings

[–]CompleteDoubterII[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Decentralizing food production is relatively easy: for a street or whatever, someone can produce food. As things collapse and people (hopefully) realize the government won't provide for them, they will do this themselves.

To me, energy is the problem. What should we do? Not everyone can put solar panels on their houses, or can afford it. We can't rely on government electricity. My idea, so far, is that we put solar panels in the sunniest places available on the streets and share the power between buildings. But I don't know much science, and how to do anything like this. Can someone please respond?

Corbett Report IPFS mirror by JasonCarswell in DecentralizeAllThings

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'd sought better answers since Aug 2016 or so.

Looks like it's been in place since Nov 2017. https://github.com/netuoso/steem-explorer/

This is the first I've heard about mining too. I gave up a long time ago and never looked back.

Their PR is shit. (So are their whales.) They should be pushing this more. I guess I dislike it a little less and have a little more hope.

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[–]d3rr 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think it's always been public? https://steemblockexplorer.com/

And you at least used to be able to mine the Steem coin, so that's another sign that their chain is all public.

Corbett Report IPFS mirror by JasonCarswell in DecentralizeAllThings

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Is the Steem block chain public now? Until it is I don't count that as decentralized. I'm quite sure Amazon has a bunch of warehouses around the world with their servers but I don't consider them decentralized. I'm quite sure a lot of banks are blockchaining their accounting stuff. Those are hardly public and decentralized. And as long as Steemit is not open and transparent about everything then they are very sketchy IMO.

Corbett Report IPFS mirror by JasonCarswell in DecentralizeAllThings

[–]d3rr 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Agreed, dtube has gotten a lot better. I think their non-video data is on the Steem block chain, so it counts as decentralized. As a naysayer I don't know how much that's worth since Steem has a historically spotty record, like they pulled a fast one with the launch of their currency. Viva la federation, where you don't have to trust the founders and operators of whatever.

Corbett Report IPFS mirror by JasonCarswell in DecentralizeAllThings

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I saw that. Looking good. Haven't delved yet. We can hibernate and cultivate it all there until it's time to live and wild.

Also, I went to D-Tube for the first time in a while and it looks like they really cleaned it up a lot. I'm very impressed. Before it was janky. They're connected to Steemit via users stuff. I don't know what else. D-Tube uses IPFS I believe. But I don't think they're federated so it's not a decentralized solution we're looking for, yet. Like Steemit being on blockchain is nice but if it's not open source and/or decentralized they're just a potential rewards source until they sell out or be exposed as a scam.

🎉 2018 Report — The Fediverse Network by d3rr in DecentralizeAllThings

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That stuff looks awesome. I don't know what most of it means, but it gives me hope.

Bill Ottman talks YouTube Purge | NSFW Jury System on Minds ~ Computing Forever - [ I love the Minds jury system ! ! ! ] by JasonCarswell in DecentralizeAllThings

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks for the heads up. I tried to answer it as best I could.

Bill Ottman talks YouTube Purge | NSFW Jury System on Minds ~ Computing Forever - [ I love the Minds jury system ! ! ! ] by JasonCarswell in DecentralizeAllThings

[–]d3rr 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

cool you got a comment on there! I just don't like following people, id rather follow a topic or a hashtag or something. so twitter doesnt do it for me at all.

Corbett Report IPFS mirror by JasonCarswell in DecentralizeAllThings

[–]d3rr 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Corbett Report IPFS mirror by JasonCarswell in DecentralizeAllThings

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Start /s/IPFS and do some IPFS for dummies tutorials. That way when I finally get fiber this year I can also set up a mirror.

I bet you/we could justduet with a Pi and a single drive.

And maybe do one of those free access broadcast things too.

And if we did that we could likely add/mirror all of DownTheMemoryHole.

Bill Ottman talks YouTube Purge | NSFW Jury System on Minds ~ Computing Forever - [ I love the Minds jury system ! ! ! ] by JasonCarswell in DecentralizeAllThings

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm now accustomed to its pros and cons but I'm not married to the Reddit format.

I'm not going to migrate. I just really like their ideas and some features. I've got enough distractions that to learn a new social media culture and system.

Also today:

https://fosstodon.org/@JasonCarswell/102233925252933877

https://fosstodon.org/@JasonCarswell/102233926924841154

Corbett Report IPFS mirror by JasonCarswell in DecentralizeAllThings

[–]d3rr 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Holy fuck bro I think I was born to host a Corbett IPFS mirror

Corbett Report IPFS mirror by JasonCarswell in DecentralizeAllThings

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Please feel free to create your own IPFS mirrors of some of the files or the entire site!

Bill Ottman talks YouTube Purge | NSFW Jury System on Minds ~ Computing Forever - [ I love the Minds jury system ! ! ! ] by JasonCarswell in DecentralizeAllThings

[–]d3rr 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I haven't spent much time there as it's not the Reddit format. I did watch a video with their owner guy talking about how they added crypto.

I wish them the best. Cross pollination is always good.

Bill Ottman talks YouTube Purge | NSFW Jury System on Minds ~ Computing Forever - [ I love the Minds jury system ! ! ! ] by JasonCarswell in DecentralizeAllThings

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Tried signing up. Turns out I already had an account. They insist on having passwords with more than 8 characters. Mine only has 7. I was only subscribed to Corbett Report. I just followed Zoon and Styx though they have no groups. I discovered there's a difference.

I created this SaidIt.net group: https://www.minds.com/groups/profile/983763769967177728/feed

Bill Ottman talks YouTube Purge | NSFW Jury System on Minds ~ Computing Forever - [ I love the Minds jury system ! ! ! ] by JasonCarswell in DecentralizeAllThings

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

/u/magnora7 and /u/d3rr,

I haven't checked out Minds since it first started. I had hopes for it but at that time it wasn't impressive. I used to confuse it for the more pretentious Medium (I'm not sure if this pretentiousness is true, but from my limited experience it seems this way). If there wasn't that second magnora7 Tin Foil Hat show I would have likely gone to my old Steemit account, checked out Minds, Medium, etc.

This interview is more exposure to Minds than all my other brief visits combined. I'm impressed with what little I've seen.

It also makes me wonder if it's not worth trying to do some cross promotion stuff. If we had a /s/SaidItMonthly or /s/SaidItWeekly we could post them on Minds linking our curated top stories through SaidIt. But simpler than that, if all the SaidIt updates were posted there it might raise interest.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minds

" Minds is an open source social media and social networking service company that rewards users for their contributions. Founded by Bill Ottman and Mark harding in 2011, it is a distributed social networking service that rewards contributors with tokens on the Ethereum blockchain. Minds describes itself as a "Crypto Social Network" that upholds "internet freedom". "

Apparently they've got some a development team, etc. Maybe some of their team or users might be able to help. Maybe some have decentralization ideas, etc. Maybe they might like to cross-associate, diversify and not put all eggs in one basket. Maybe they are choosing to adopt 1 thing when there are 3 others just as good, and maybe SaidIt is as good a place to develop similar but different ideas. Or maybe some of the same. The possibilities are endless.

They're going corporate so don't let your guard down for a second. But maybe there's potential for good things, maybe they've learned good lessons or blazed a way on certain things.

This puzzles me: " When the network launched its Alpha mobile applications in 2015, the group Anonymous showed initial support for privacy features. Engadget has since expressed concern that other fringe groups could undermine the platform's ability to deliver accurate and curated content. " Is that good or bad, both, or mixed?

They peaked a while back but have been getting more popular since the mid-Feb purges too.

https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/saidit.net?ver=classic 19,110 USA | 102,538 Earth

https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/minds.com?ver=classic 3,895 USA | 9,829 Earth

Maybe you guys already have some established ideas about them. If you do I'm curious to hear about them.

🎉 2018 Report — The Fediverse Network by d3rr in DecentralizeAllThings

[–]d3rr[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It looks like strong growth and it's cool to see PeerTube at #3 already, as a non social media type project. I had no idea there's a WordPress fediverse integration either.

LBRY.com is a secure, open, and community-run digital marketplace. Enjoy the latest content from your favorite creators—as a user, not a product. by JasonCarswell in DecentralizeAllThings

[–]happysmash27 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

youtube-dl is extremely convenient for me, perhaps even the most convenient download method I have seen! It only needs a couple small commands rather than many clicks, after all.

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[–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I use DLG. It's the best I know of though I have a short wish list of improvements I'd love to see.

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[–]Drewski 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Cool platform, definitely going to be using this. As for downloading, you can also download from Youtube easily using youtube-dl or youtube-dl gui.

LBRY.com is a secure, open, and community-run digital marketplace. Enjoy the latest content from your favorite creators—as a user, not a product. by JasonCarswell in DecentralizeAllThings

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Bryan Lunduke shares his content here where it can be downloaded easier than on YouTube.


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Build the future of content freedom.

" What if anyone in the world could publish a piece of digital content, anyone else in the world could access it, for free or for payment, and that entire system worked end-to-end without any centralized authority or point of control? "

Use LBRY on your preferred platform: https://lbry.com/get?showall=1

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PeerTube federation grows by d3rr in DecentralizeAllThings

[–]Cubed 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

i didnt hear of it before thats cool ill check that out

PeerTube federation grows by d3rr in DecentralizeAllThings

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PeerTube federation grows by d3rr in DecentralizeAllThings

[–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Great news for freedom lovers!

See also, d3rr's PeerTube instance: /s/DownTheMemoryHole/

I use the Brave Browser. I accept ads that, if I'm not mistaken, earn Brave Rewards. SaidIt is signed up for Brave Rewards. I can configure my rewards to go to registered sites like SaidIt. In the comments is a list of the sites that have been presented to me, some seem promising and some are meh. by JasonCarswell in DecentralizeAllThings

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[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You're not wrong. But that doesn't remove the critical necessity to have access to the masses they've corralled.

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[–]sawboss 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I say it's fucking stupid to put your entire life on a website you don't control.

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[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Then there's the issue of how import are the service they provide. The west has become so reliant on the internet and digital communication that IMO it's getting close to becoming a utility like water, roads and phone services.

But why? There are decentralized means of communication available. No one is forced to use Twitter, Facebook, et al. I don't, and if anyone asks my opinion I'd advise them not to.

As stupid as they may be, it is absolutely critical to be able to reach the masses. The option to use alternatives must not be blocked, just as the option to use the commons must not be blocked.

They have intentionally herded all the sheeple into the common arenas and pushed the fringe out. The fringe will never amass the power to affect change and the status quo still controls the sheeple and power. Unless...

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[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I don't know what it is exactly but Zuck has the most punchable face. I mean, I don't know if it's actually punchable. Maybe it would break my hand. But I just want to try sooo badly.

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[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No one seems to consider that everything govt. does is at the cost of everyone's liberty, excluding the elites of course.

Perfectly stated.

There are no such thing as free markets. All markets are governed in some ways. Regulations to some are protections for others and they ebb and flow with the political breezes.

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[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Corporatocracy.

Also technocracy.

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[–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's called the corporatocracy.

Mussolini defined fascism as the union of state and business. That word has been distorted.

Corporatocracy will be more difficult to confuse.

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[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Demand separation of banks and state !

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[–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I've something very much like that in my grand story.

Saplings commonly grow from old stumps.

A new justice system would likely need to grow within the existing ecosystem for a while get established then gradually kill the old.

There were Native American systems before there was French and English justice systems and all 3 co-existed in North America for some time before America took over.

Even now, Military justice is very different than the common justice system. And they very from state to state, as well as internationally. Further there's different justice for middle class, the rich, and the poor.

I see an open justice system developed being the foundation of a legitimate (not manufactured by elites) revolution.

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[–]Loli_Lord 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm new here too, my man.

I honestly don't know. There was once a site called slimgur but now it's gone. It was created when the imgur admins were removing images posted in r/fatpeoplehate, most notably the one showing the fat imgur staff.

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[–]send_nasty_stuff[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

agreed. What image hosts do you like? What image hosts are used on saidit (I'm new here)

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[–]Loli_Lord 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Speaking of which, it's only a matter of time before imgur catches the censorship disease.

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[–]sawboss 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And don't forget this:

https://www.rt.com/usa/455173-facebook-regulation-zuckerberg-privacy/

They want regulation. I believe because they intend to bring about the capture which will permanently enshrine their monopolies in law.

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[–]sawboss 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's the 'regulation' that's being called for.

I'm not really calling for more gov enforced monopolies. I'd like the barrier of entry to come down for facebook and twitter clones to pop up.

I admit I missed the nuance. I'm afraid congress will too (maybe intentionally). So much outcry over this has desensitized me.

People see a problem and demand government solutions. No one seems to consider that everything govt. does is at the cost of everyone's liberty, excluding the elites of course. Then people get embittered about "inequality" and all that jazz, and insist on empowering the govt. to do even more. The cycle just expands the web of corporate/govt. power on each iteration.

I'm not sure 'fascism' is the best term for it

https://www.britannica.com/topic/fascism/Common-characteristics-of-fascist-movements

The true core feature of fascism is the one it shares with communism: subordination of the individual to the state.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/richardsalsman/2011/12/07/capitalism-is-decidedly-not-corporatism-or-cronyism/

I'm not entirely satisfied with the word capitalism either. Maybe "free markets" would be better. I'm more concerned with freedom in terms of individual liberty than economics. Perhaps "free markets" is a better term.

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So reclassify them as publishers, starting with Facebook and Twitter

That's the 'regulation' that's being called for.

There are decentralized means of communication available

There are also other ways to get water. Other ways to get to work. Other ways to communicate other than a phone line.

It's not obvious to me that the outcomes of those movements have been on balance good for humanity.

I actually agree with you here but the point still stands.

creating more government enforced monopolies isn't a solution to the problem of monopolies.

I'm not really calling for more gov enforced monopolies. I'd like the barrier of entry to come down for facebook and twitter clones to pop up. Not all regulation creates gov monopolies. In a modern industrial society there's more nuance than regulation bad freedom good.

As we've seen, capitalism works pretty well in fascist systems. I think it works even better in systems based on individual liberty. Let me know when you've suffered enough. Then maybe we can talk about the best steps to end fascism in America.

Totally agree. I'm not sure 'fascism' is the best term for it but I get where you're coming from. I think it's just a good old oligarchy. I like the terms Globo homo and cartel capitalism as well. (I.e. globo homogeneity).

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[–]sawboss 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There is a unholy marriage between business and state in the west; you could almost call them the same entity at this point.

Economic Fascism and the Power Elite | Mises Institute

Take note socialists and peace lovers: CORPORATIONS ARE NOT YOUR FRIENDS! D'Amato notes:


These firms, in their partnership with the state, are “granted a deliberate, representational monopoly”2 as payment for a level of control exercised by government. The iron triangles that form the fascist tripartism detailed by Higgs recall the thesis of C. Wright Mills’s groundbreaking sociological study, The Power Elite. In his masterwork, published first in 1956, Mills gives an account of an intermeshed elite made up of a “political directorate,” the “warlords” of the military establishment, and “corporate chieftains” at the helm of Big Business bureaucracies.3 Hardly resulting from the legitimate free market defended by libertarians, the social and economic problems and crises we see all around us are in fact the moldering fruits of elite statism. And war, as both the engine of an entire economic paradigm and its attendant psychological and sociological substructure, has been the American state’s most preferred expedient, burdening peaceful, productive society with class rule. The permanent war economy, the unremitting exercise in plunder that now makes up a terrifyingly large portion of the economy at large, must necessarily poise itself upon antisocial state-worship. As Vicesimus Knox wrote, “Fear is the principle of all despotic government, and therefore despots make war their first study and delight.”4 The existence of a corporate command-and-control economy, whose configuration grows out of layered state interventions, depends crucially on popular attitudes regarding the state. Only a public trusting of elite judgment and expertise would abide a system built on just the kinds of subjugation that the American ruling elite hypocritically claimed to defy in two world wars.


These media companies are using a loophole in the law that classifies them as tech platforms and not publishers liable for their content. Unless you want to do away with libel laws, slander laws and regulations for the publishing industry you should support regulating these tech monopolies.

So reclassify them as publishers, starting with Facebook and Twitter. They exercise editorial control, so make them live up to the standards of publishers.

Then there's the issue of how import are the service they provide. The west has become so reliant on the internet and digital communication that IMO it's getting close to becoming a utility like water, roads and phone services.

But why? There are decentralized means of communication available. No one is forced to use Twitter, Facebook, et al. I don't, and if anyone asks my opinion I'd advise them not to.

Imagine if social movements like the civil rights movement or the temperance movement could have been disrupted by the corporate/gov oligarchs just shutting off water, electricity and phones to political dissidents.

It's not obvious to me that the outcomes of those movements have been on balance good for humanity. That's really at least two different discussions though.

That's how these giants are operating. Hell they are even getting into denial of banking services.

I'm aware that banks are now being weaponized by radical extremists to punish wrongspeech. Our banking system has been fucked for generations. Free market solutions are not allowed to spring up because the banks are fully integrated fascist institutions.

I'm not totally anti libertarian ideas. I enjoy a lot of what Hoppe says but we have to deal with the current legal and political situation we are living in now.

Empowering the elites by creating more government enforced monopolies isn't a solution to the problem of monopolies.

In many cases the oligarchs manipulate libertarian minded voters to oppress people even further. I.e. they might 'deregulate' a certain sector of the economy but only to give it to their cronies in a secret sale and then those cronies never really break up or sell the industries to allow competitors.

I mean ... yes of course. "We're encroaching on your liberty for your own benefit" is nothing new. Societies which refuse to adopt personal accountability as a cultural norm must always depend on the "kindness" of their rulers.

Capitalism is totally being stifled by this alliance but small libertarian changes actually make matters worse not better. That's why there are oligarchs that back both progressive AND libertarian factions. They use both to get their way.

As we've seen, capitalism works pretty well in fascist systems. I think it works even better in systems based on individual liberty. Let me know when you've suffered enough. Then maybe we can talk about the best steps to end fascism in America.

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I know what regulatory capture is. We are far beyond regulatory capture. There is a unholy marriage between business and state in the west; you could almost call them the same entity at this point. These media companies are using a loophole in the law that classifies them as tech platforms and not publishers liable for their content. Unless you want to do away with libel laws, slander laws and regulations for the publishing industry you should support regulating these tech monopolies. These giants are also regularly violating the spirit of the 1rst amendment. They are following some vague notion of international standards (which they made up themselves and which favor their own interests, i.e. no 'hate speech' no criticism of LGBT, anti christian, pro zionism, pro central banking, pro hedonism, etc).

Then there's the issue of how import are the service they provide. The west has become so reliant on the internet and digital communication that IMO it's getting close to becoming a utility like water, roads and phone services. Imagine if social movements like the civil rights movement or the temperance movement could have been disrupted by the corporate/gov oligarchs just shutting off water, electricity and phones to political dissidents. That's how these giants are operating. Hell they are even getting into denial of banking services.

https://pjmedia.com/trending/time-for-action-chase-bank-denies-service-to-conservatives/

I'm not totally anti libertarian ideas. I enjoy a lot of what Hoppe says but we have to deal with the current legal and political situation we are living in now. In many cases the oligarchs manipulate libertarian minded voters to oppress people even further. I.e. they might 'deregulate' a certain sector of the economy but only to give it to their cronies in a secret sale and then those cronies never really break up or sell the industries to allow competitors. Capitalism is totally being stifled by this alliance but small libertarian changes actually make matters worse not better. That's why there are oligarchs that back both progressive AND libertarian factions. They use both to get their way.

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[–]sawboss 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

If you don't like 'alt right spam' then you need to out argue them

That's not even possible on Voat. Imagine going to a synagogue to persuade people that the holocaust didn't happen.

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Everyone who thinks we need the government to regulate social media needs to read up on regulatory capture. You hate monopolies? Regulation is one way to create them.

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That's cool

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We tried to build an altright discussion community without the sperg issues over at r/debatealtright. It was going well until reddit banned our founding mod /u/mortalsisyphus the webmaster of rightrealist.com. He's still floating around and I might talk to him about coming over here if the climate is right. There are still some quality people over at r/debatealtright but we have no way of tracking our growth or interacting with the rest of reddit because of how censored we are.

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[–]Zhohan 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I actually agree with you to some extent. If normie sites just allowed open discussion, there wouldn't be as much 'alt right spam'. Quarantining people based on politics has just centralized people with those viewpoints to 4chan, which is inherently a shitposting site, which makes alt right personalities, for the most part, act obnoxious. I know a few that are part of Discord servers that go around and look for communities to indoctrinate. They'll storm the community and shitpost, which usually makes all the decent people leave and the community dies. Most of them aren't looking to debate in the first place.

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If you don't like 'alt right spam' then you need to out argue them and counter with another movement. Alt right spam dominates open forums for two reasons. It contains truths and so many other platforms ban dissident politics that open platforms get an overabundance of dissidents. That wouldn't be a problem if normie social media sites loosened up on censorship and actually engaged instead of contained the AR.

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The biggest problem I see with starting your own platform to combat censorship is the platform usually gets flooded with degenerate viewpoints. For example, Voat's homepage is filled with alt-right spam. Sure, let them have a say, but when they are the majority, they scare away ordinary people trying to emigrate from Reddit.

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That was actually pretty much my original vision for what is now /s/Anarkikomunismolando.

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That's what these guys were trying to do.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirate_Party_(Netherlands)

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[–]magnora7 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I wonder if it would be possible to found an internet nation...

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We have our own Twitter (called Mastodon) and our own payment processor (I forget the name).

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ipfs sounds really interesting. haven't read much about it - what prevents a malicious node from attacking users?

like someone's node saying they have the website you're looking for, but they've added additional malicious code.

Content-addressing is what makes this impossible.

The attack you describe is possible with HTTP, but impossible with IPFS.

HTTP retrieves files based on where they are. Switch the files at that location, and the user downloads malicious files instead.

IPFS retrieves files based on what they are. So you look for a file hash, and it retrieves the exact file you ask for, regardless of where it is.

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IPFS does not use blockchain. It has neither blocks nor chains.

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Most folks in Canada aren't as poor as I am (or as free).

Most folks in Canada don't have the same priorities either (being sheeple) and don't care about their corporate overlords, and those who do aren't too interested in "donating" to or investing in their freedom.

It's a paradoxical problem. And they're too distracted, divided, tired, and unmotivated to do anything about it.

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I can't realize my dreams of having my own federated server(s) without money - both for the gear and for the upkeep and connections.

Agreed, but most things can be run very cheaply. We can't let the corporations rule the web over us not spending $5/mo. I'm sure some not-for-profits will pop up and offer federated services at their cost too. Alas these are the drawbacks of federated.

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If only it were open source.

Oh wait...

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(corporatocracy = terrorists)

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Things that could go wrong (which applies to anything of this sort):

  • Algorithm isn't solid and it loses data, or worse, corrupts it.
  • Software is malware and uses computing resources or local data for ill purposes.
  • Coinage has problems.
  • Algorithms don't use good security so are easy to hack.
  • The general idea is flawed and storing things in a decentralized manner isn't viable.
  • Governments find a way to block it so it doesn't achieve its goal.

Note that these apply to almost any system of this sort.

EDIT: I realize now that OP was simply making fun of SAFE in the name, like how the PATRIOT act is anything but, etc.

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Check out the "Dectentralization Encryption" icon/logo at https://youtu.be/U1ffmf6z50E?t=55 at 55 seconds in. Just like Wikispooks with rounded corners and on an angle.

Maidsafe sounds a lot like FreeNet or I2P.

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The post title has skepticism. Why more than any other decentralized alternative?

IPFS has Filecoin.

ZeroNet has Namecoin.

Holochain is working on something.

Steemit, Minds, etc. offer monetization for quality independent content.

Even SaidIt accepts donations and rewards.

Money is the root of evil but it is not the evil itself. And it makes the flat earth go round.

I like open source everything, but realize I can't realize my dreams of having my own federated server(s) without money - both for the gear and for the upkeep and connections.

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Part of the intellectual DNA that became what we now call the internet is an idea by Paul Baran that we should have a military communications system that is totally decentralised to ensure it stays up during a (nuclear) attack.

Centralisation is vulnerability.

People who talk about power grids understand that they are vulnerable to a malicious attack, and should be decentralised. You could make the argument for the internet. Decentralise the net or the terrorists win!

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Now if we could prove that with the Interwebs...

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GAFAM

I had to look it up.

The Big Four is a name used to describe the four multinational technology companies Google, Amazon, Facebook, and Apple. The Big Four are sometimes referred to as GAFA, an acronym for Google, Amazon, Facebook, and Apple. The term Big Five is sometimes used to include Microsoft, another major technology company. ~ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Four_tech_companies

I also like FANG = Facebook Amazon Netscape Google.

Open-source sites like GitHub are owned by big players and they get the benefits of all that free and open source stuff too.

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I like Lunduke.

I think a certain wing of the movement gets wayyyy too caught up on the minutiæ of the terminology. If you watch Stallman's recent lectures, his main point is to emphasise the distinctions between 'open-source' and 'free'.

FFS, focus on the real enemy here: GAFAM and spy agencies!!! Know what battle you're fighting! While you were debating the distinction between 'open-source' and 'free', a corporation added spyware to every new car. Prioritise!

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will do. thanks.

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Check out Holochain too (a terrible name for several reasons) as it sounds very similar.

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[–]cyber_burn 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

true. seems ideal for static file hosting, but i can see how that would be a problem for sites under rapid development, or even standard bugfixes and new features. going to start reading more about this - i'd really like to see decentralization become a standard.

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Immutable hashes is the most important part. It's a strength and a weakness. Some things are meant to be mutable, changeable, updated, improved, etc and IPFS didn't have an easy fix for this, but they were working on it. It's been a while so maybe they've got something figured out now.

Ultimately it makes for a great vault.

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[–]cyber_burn 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

yea i think i misunderstood. read about block storage and the immutable hashes and the way they described how nodes don't need to trust one another, and it sounded like a ledger to me. but i don't think that's quite right.

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Sort of. I think.

IPFS is developed by Protocol Labs and they are developing 5 distinctly different projects intended to work with each other.

Filecoin is one of those other projects, and I believe they use blockchain.

I believe block storage is slightly different: https://infogalactic.com/info/Block_(data_storage)

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ah so it uses blockchain. thanks for the better link. guess the guy in the article i posted misunderstood.

also why is the wikipedia article so lacking?

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Better than the censored Wikipedia article: https://infogalactic.com/info/InterPlanetary_File_System

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ipfs sounds really interesting. haven't read much about it - what prevents a malicious node from attacking users?

like someone's node saying they have the website you're looking for, but they've added additional malicious code.

edit: oh cool i found this. they use immutable hashes for content. https://medium.com/@yaniv_g/hosting-websites-on-ipfs-with-ipns-b94659c42b52

though according to this person's explanation, you might have to check the hash yourself manually? doesn't seem like that would be hard to automate. couldn't you kick a node off the network if they have a different hash or just not connect users to that node if the hash doesn't match the content hash of what they're trying to access.

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" Thanks to Ernest Hancock of FreedomsPhoenix.com, The Corbett Report is now on IPFS. Today James joins Ernest to talk about the problem of online censorship and the IPFS technology that is enabling a solution. (Don't worry, more information will be forthcoming once we get all the wrinkles ironed out.) "

Show notes, links, comments, platforms, formats: https://www.corbettreport.com/interview-1435-declare-your-independence-with-ipfs/