UPDATE: Shooting at Denver Protests -- NEWS REPORTER'S BODYGUARD SHOOTS PATRIOT PROTESTER DEAD! -- Two Suspects in Custody --VIDEO

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[–]fred_red_beans 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Related articles where you can see who got shot and who did the shooting:

https://www.denverpost.com/2020/10/10/denver-protests-saturday-civic-center-park/

https://www.rt.com/usa/503161-rally-shooting-blm-patriot-denver/

I find it interesting that the shooter was a Pinkerton which was there to protect a 9News reporter. From what I can see, the scenario of a man with pepper spray does not constitute the use of deadly force. You would think a trained Pinkerton would make a better judgement call.

The Pinkertons themselves are infamous and have been around since the second half of the 1800s:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinkerton_(detective_agency)

Kinda makes one ponder if the action was just done to inflame things more.

[–]jet199 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (8 children)

There's rumours the shooter is very much still antifa even if he was at work that day.

Having that kind of hate and paranoid mindset is going to stop you making good judgement calls.

[–]fred_red_beans 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

hate and paranoid mindset

Really?

The guy was reported to be a Pinkerton. We are currently in a time where there are provocateurs stirring up violence. Pondering whether the shooter's motivation was to inflame things more is paranoid? Hateful??

How you could construe my comment as hate is beyond me. I am in no way in favor of violence from either "side". The only side I am on is the human side. The divisions of politics and race are not drawn by individuals, but by the establishment in order to divide us.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

We are currently in a time where there are provocateurs stirring up violence.

And manufacturing shooting hoaxes.

[–]jet199 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I think you are reading my comment wrong.

Try again.

[–]fred_red_beans 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I am reading your comment as telling me that I have a mindset of hate and paranoia.

Is that not the case?

Are you not able to clarify?

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    [–]fred_red_beans 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    LoL, I guess not :)

    [–]jet199 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    "You" as in general, everybody "you"

    Not you personally.

    [–]fred_red_beans 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    LoL - got it

    [–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (13 children)

    The was a HUGE PUFF OF SMOKE.

    I'm expecting to see an injury from a black powder mussel loaded musket.

    [–]Red23 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

    That was the pepper spray, it was discharged by the guy that got shot.

    [–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

    Copying my comment from a newer part from /u/Questionable.

    https://saidit.net/s/news/comments/6lou/patriot_rally_attendee_killed_by_security_guard/

    Where's the actual video?

    Timing of some of the photos is awfully convenient

    Supposedly this guy has received a bloodless head shot, which is perfectly framed to see the "shooter" and the "victim" as the "shooter" looks right into the camera.

    I agree with this Nitter commenter:

    daughter of the warrior. @crowbry 9h Looks professionally staged.

    https://nitter.net/JackPosobiec/status/1315140497074249728

    [–]Questionable 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

    I don't know if there is video available , but there are plenty of photos from gettty and circulating 4chan that show intent on the part of the shooter. Which is why he is being charged with 1st degree murder.

    Any video would be owned by the press, which is why most of these are getty images. Very unlikely the press will be releasing video, especially since it was a person who was working for them that pulled the trigger.

    The after photos show his head is real bad.

    As for the theories on the shooting being false, the one analysis on that I saw wasn't very good, and was only bases on assumptions of bearing weight on one leg while going down, and assumptions that all bullet wounds have blood splatter similar to hollywood movies. He has a lot of cloth around the head and face that would prevent this. And of course there are plenty of photos, shooter was security for press.

    (Many edits, still not awake)

    [–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

    I haven't been able to find any photos that show blood or a head wound.

    Do you have any links?

    [–]fred_red_beans 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8_KoYygAX0&feature=youtu.be

    Shows shooter was slapped and has picture of victim buckling. You would think if someone was shot in the head, that they would go straight back rather than buckling forward then back. Although, there have been instances of people shot in the head who survived too. Perhaps the bullet did not exit the cranium...

    [–]Questionable 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I think he caught one of the Bullets lower in the face or jaw. Two shots were fired, photos show casing on ground, and one in air.

    [–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Perhaps the bullet did not exit ENTER the cranium...

    This. ;-)

    [–]Questionable 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    Here you go. At least one photo of victim on ground, different angle from what I've seen before.

    What I saw was from 4chan /pol/ They were spamming it all last night to various threads, so you are sure to come across them eventually.

    https://www.4chan.org/ (NSFW/NSFL)

    [–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    A direct link to the alleged photo of the guy that was shot in the head. (NSFW)

    I seriously doubt it's possible to die from a gunshot to the head, and not bleed all over the ground?

    His head is on his hat.

    This is nonsense.

    Are you familiar with any of the recent hoax shootings? It sounds crazy, but they're surprisingly common.
    The army gets involved in a number of them.

    The army was involved in the Vegas shooting hoax.

    This is a mind blowing video.

    Las Vegas Hoax - How Billions were FOOLED by the Vegas shooting. Fake Shooting, Crisis Actors

    This Denver thing is probably a hoax.

    [–]Questionable 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    I seriously doubt it's possible to die from a gunshot to the head, and not bleed all over the ground?

    If the hearts not beating the bloods not pumping out, if there is no exit wound the hole is on the top, so no leaking.

    As for hoax shootings. I wouldn't call Vegas a hoax, I'd call it a cover up. And like with George Floyd and our "Jogger". You don't need to create chaos, only need to pick and choose whats report̩͎̖́ͪ̌ed on. It's easier to shape a narrative than it is to create the scene itself.

    Shooting deaths happen all the time. And in cases of this one which doesn't fit the narrative, it will disappear quickly.

    [–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    As for hoax shootings. I wouldn't call Vegas a hoax, I'd call it a cover up.

    You didn't watch the video, did you?

    It's undeniably a hoax.

    • Fake gunshots from the concert speakers.
    • Numerous video recordings of bewildered concert goers discussing the fake gunshots during the "concert event".
    • All three Vegas hospitals reported 0 gunshot victims.

    Here's a great article from WinterWatch that I just came across relating to the Vegas hoax shooting.

    The Shills’ Chorus: ‘I Know a Guy Who Knows a Guy Who Was Shot in Vegas’

    One of the common tactics in staged deceptions are flurries of comments in which the poster claims to know somebody who knows somebody who was killed or injured during an event. Typically, they’re at least two or three parties removed. The names of “victims” are rarely if ever mentioned. The claims are incredibly scripted and repetitive. And now we learn that “50-60” at the Thousand Oaks shooting also were at the Vegas Harvest 91 massacre.

    The same people at both shooting hoaxes? Game over.

    [–]jet199 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

    Shooter is Matthew Dolloff. Registered democrat, berniebro, involved in the occupy movement. Was a farmer so likely more anarchist than marxist. No confirmation he was antifa.

    https://twitter.com/michellemalkin/status/1315059881674641409?s=19 https://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/282006040 https://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/281991754#p282007519

    The 9News guys were going through the group starting confrontations so they could take pictures. Apparently they even threatened to rape the women at one point to get a reaction. At the end when everyone was trying to leave for some reason Dolloff tried to grab a guy's mace and got himself slapped. He then shot the guy, the bullet leaves the gun before the guy sprays the mace. https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1315190889468186624?s=19

    It also seems unlikely that a skinny farmer and events organiser who is the son of two dentists and seems pretty comfortably off would take up security work as his side hussle. 9News put out that he was with Pinkerton but there's no other confirmation.

    [–]fred_red_beans 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    Registered democrat, berniebro, involved in the occupy movement.

    None of which would necessarily indicate that someone is homicidal.

    Was a farmer so likely more anarchist than marxist.

    How does farming indicate someone is an anarchist or marxist?

    No confirmation he was antifa.

    I certainly think everything should be taken with a grain of salt, but the Denver Police Department "has determined the suspect is a private security guard with no affiliation with Antifa."

    https://twitter.com/DenverPolice/status/1315100293940441088

    The 9News guys were going through the group starting confrontations so they could take pictures. Apparently they even threatened to rape the women at one point to get a reaction. At the end when everyone was trying to leave for some reason Dolloff tried to grab a guy's mace and got himself slapped.

    Got anything to back any of that up with?

    He then shot the guy, the bullet leaves the gun before the guy sprays the mace.

    You can see the casing and the slide of the gun retracted. Certainly does not look like self defense.

    It also seems unlikely that a skinny farmer and events organiser who is the son of two dentists and seems pretty comfortably off would take up security work as his side hussle.

    People do all kinds of things. David Lee Roth was an EMT after being Van Halen's front man.

    9News put out that he was with Pinkerton but there's no other confirmation.

    See Denver Police

    [–]jet199 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Try reading through that twitter thread in my post. https://twitter.com/randycorporon/status/1315102897474998273?s=19

    Also Denver police got their info from 9News and the suspect. Until Pinkerton themselves say he was their employee it's not confirmed.

    [–]fred_red_beans 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    I see, Randy B Corporation's tweet:

    I see from your web site he's on the ground being detained after the killing of a patriot. He told ladies on our side he would rape them, tried to provoke us into a fight.

    Which is just one guy's tweet...

    [–]jet199 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Yeah, that's called witness testimony.

    Also an update on the likeliness of him being Pinkerton https://twitter.com/AndreaFloresTV/status/1315421505510088706?s=19

    [–]fred_red_beans 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    the bullet leaves the gun before the guy sprays the mace

    In this video at 1:24:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8_KoYygAX0&t=84

    You can clearly hear the spray of the mace first and then the gunshot.

    Although, I still don't see gun vs mace as self defense.