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[–]magnora7 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

They basically perpetuated the idea that the russian collusion was a foregone conclusion in such a certain manner, and now that it has been legally rejected, it is causing serious repercussions to the people passing the fiction it was a certain fact.

[–]HopeThatHalps 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

By your logic, O.J. didn't kill his wife, you know, because an all black jury acquited him. He didn't do it, right? Go ahead and suggest otherwise, make a liar out of yourself.

[–]magnora7 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

But there's been all these claims of overwhelming evidence, that just doesn't really seem to exist. They're making mountains out of molehills. Let's compare this to Hillary's literal selling of Uranium to Russia, and 20% of campaign funding by Qatar and Bahrain, which seems to have completely faded away from discussion despite doing this while Secretary of State.

It's obvious this has been a political ploy from the beginning, and the Russia-phobia the media has engaged in over the last 4 years has been ridiculous. It's like they're trying to start the cold war again... it's like McCarthyism has been brought back to life, but this time by the democrats.

I am just so tired of it all. The whole thing is such an obvious farce. It's obstructionism from a party that spent the last 10 years whining nonstop about being obstructed.

I don't even like Trump. I don't like any of this. But it's a blockade while the military-industrial complex goes on adventures costing the taxpayers literally trillions of dollars, while our cities decay and crumble and our schools close from underfunding, and we have the largest prison population in world history, both in raw numbers and per-capita.

So the idea people are turning away from the pied piper of the divide-and-conquer media does actually bring me a bit of hope, and I feel like that's perfectly justified.

[–]HopeThatHalps 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

But there's been all these claims of overwhelming evidence, that just doesn't really seem to exist.

According to a Trump appointee. Forgive me if I, and most other people, don't trust a Trump appointee.

Let's compare this to Hillary's literal selling of Uranium to Russia

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/hillary-clinton-uranium-russia-deal/

20% of campaign funding by Qatar and Bahrain

link please? I googled it, I find nothing.

It's obvious this has been a political ploy from the beginning, and the Russia-phobia the media has engaged in over the last 4 years has been ridiculous.

https://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/documents/national/read-the-declassified-report-on-russian-interference-in-the-us-election/2433/

Well I asked you how the media lied, I didn't really get an answer, but it also seems that you're getting information from unreliable sources.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Snopes is tots unreliable.

All the corporate media does is lie. Start from that premise and try to prove them right.

The "mainstream" corporate media propaganda culturally engineers opinions to manufacture consent from the malleable masses. People don't naturally want endless war, suffering, and poor living conditions. The MSM are as essential to the totalitarian corporatocracy as the illusion of government, police and military, the rigged judicial and voting and banking systems - all designed to manipulate, divide, and exploit us all to the max.

[–]HopeThatHalps 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I think you believe what you believe because you want to believe it, not because your own information sources are any more reliable. You trust them only because, somehow, they speak to you.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Inversely. I'm skeptical of all sources.

I didn't come to the conclusion lightly that the corporatocracy, government and corporations, including media, are out to deceive, divide, manipulate, and exploit us all.

I don't know anyone who wants more wars much less to fund the military over getting health care and education and a fulfilling life rather than debt slavery and meager wages.

[–]HopeThatHalps 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The biggest problem with your conspiracy theories, IMO, is not even there lack of factual basis, it's that they violate Occam's razor. The notion that Hillary Clinton is secretly friendly with Russia, somehow despite all the obvious evidence to the contrary, would require many people to burn lots of calories in the process of maintaining a grand and astonishingly pointless charade. Nature dictates that animals and people tend to try to burn as few calories as possible, path of least resistance in matters of survival, which is what gives rise to laziness, innovation, Occam's razor, and makes unnecessarily complex conspiracy theories highly improbable.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What kind of factual basis would you like to prove that all governments everywhere are Machiavellian to lesser and greater degrees?

The simplest solution is that power corrupts and that corrupt power deceives, manipulates and exploits as much as they can get away with.

Let's put Uranium One and Russia aside for a moment. Let's put aside the outrageous fraud of the Clinton Foundation. Let's ignore that Hillary's father was a mobster from Chicago. And let's pretend we never heard about any of the Hatian child smuggling and pedophile activity of her group. And we should probably ignore how Bill Clinton was importing cocaine into Mena Arkansas, repealed the Glass-Steagal Act, and his policies profoundly destroyed countless lives by massively inflating the prison populations to sickening record levels beyond anything in history - ever. For now we can pretend that was a charade.

Just give me your take on how Bernie Sanders was robbed of a fair race in 2016.

Too bad your Occam's Razor can't cut through the propaganda.

It's easier to fool someone than convince them they've been fooled.

[–]fred_red_beans 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The 14 page report provided evidence of nothing. Anyone who actually read it at the time could understand that.

Hillary did receive funding from Saudi Arabia