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[–]RandumbZer0 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Shouldn't have ever backed those Nazis to begin with.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

Oy! Those are our Nazis, goy.

[–]hfxB0oyA[S] 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

No, no - they magically became the freest, most democratic country on earth right around 2021.

[–]Alphix 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

There are exactly ZERO nazis in Ukraine. What you have there are propaganda neo nazis, representing the most degenerate aspects of a caricature of nazis in order to push a psy op, an agenda, money laundering, war on the white race, and more.

[–]aaarrgh 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

the real nazis were defeated in 1945. So, everything that comes after that year is fake

[–]Alphix 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, there none left from Hitler's Youth. However, not all of those who adhere to the original ideology are the propaganda, caricature version. Some are fairly, even thoroughly faithful to the original ideology and are not the gross misrepresentation you see in the UKraine.

[–]Site_rly_sux 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

You mean marine le pen, Austria freedom party, la Liga - you mean when Putin backed those fascists? Yeah that was a bad idea of Putin's

[–]hfxB0oyA[S] 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

If true, this would signal a big shift in the US's war cycle. Instead of getting into a war in one administration and continuing it for several administrations (Iraq, Afghanistan, etc), this one would have started and ended within one admin's lifespan. Of course, that would probably be so they could switch to China, but still.

[–]dicknipples 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

First - my initial view is that ZeroHedge is spinning this with much more drama than Politico (their source) does:

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/03/12/biden-united-states-ukraine-relationship-cracks-00086654

But that aside - I keep seeing two problems:

1) Ukraine must continue asking for support or they will lose their country to Russia. For this to work, they must focus on the urgency of the need for support, asking for the maximum amount possible. Life expectancy on the font is 4 hours - if I recall correctly - and Ukraine has been losing 100s of soldiers per day (bot don't want to give us exact numbers; BBC estimages 1100 in the past 4 days and 30,000 in recent weeks and the total is several times that). Ukraine is also the front for other former USSR countries that will be targets in due course. Still, Ukraine has plans to take Crimea, which to me makes no sense, even if it's rhetoric to try to get the maximum support.

2) NATO has an oblgation to help its neighbors and though Ukraine is not part of NATO it's obvious that Russia's accession of Ukraine and other former USSR countries will be a threat to NATO. The US is part of that support and is giving proportionally what it can to the war effort, but cannot keep this up very well for the next 2 years (the expected minimum duration for Russia sending soldiers to their deaths).

So - I think Ukraine will have to lower its expectations and think of a more realistic end game, whereas the US will have to put more pressure on its trade partners (esp. China & India) to reduce their support for Russia, and will have to send better munitions. If Ukraine continues as they have done, that can be a problem for the US, which has to add up the costs of 2 year additional commitment. There is no scenario where a Russian Ukraine will benefit anyone (including Russia, as they fuck up everything they touch).

[–]hfxB0oyA[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Interesting perspective. I don't know how successful US pressure on China to back off Russia will be, seeing as the states is rattling their sabres very loudly in China's direction these days.

My suspicion is the US sees that there's an end in sight to the USD's status as the global reserve, and they've decided to throw their military at a two-front war before they run out of cash, with the idea that they'd force their allies to push all their chips in too. If the whole world economy gets fucked, then the fall of the USD relatively to the other currencies doesn't look so bad.

I think that our best chance is if the rest of the countries can hold off joining WWIII before the US runs substantially out of cash. If we're lucky, it ends with a fizzle rather than a bang.

[–]SoCo 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Ukraine is a huge military strategic point, the most important in all of the world for West versus East. After the coup and build up of Ukraine's military, we thought we had a strategic military arm read for offensive. They had been talking of springing a new offensive for a couple years now.

Ukraine is broke and was hoping that the military industry we helped them develop would get good publicity with this war push and garners some weapons sales, since it was a war expo year.

This all started because Ukraine was broke. We told them if they funneled the money back into our green-energy scams, that we'd give them tons of our citizens' tax money. That's what they've been sufficing off of for nearly a decade, but obviously it is a penitence. They wanted to wipe out East Ukraine and take over the industrial area, but that has proven difficult, despite killing 100's thousands of their own Ukrainians a year for awhile, turning half their country into a bombed up pot-hole and covering their coutnry with land mines.

[–]Site_rly_sux 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

When are you going to provide any evidence for all the fake things you say?

For example here where you repeated a number of anti-ukraine lies. I asked you for your sources and you ran away crying

https://saidit.net/s/censorship/comments/ahyl/confirmed_department_of_defense_paid_farleft/11gws?context=3

Why do you return to tell more lies?

Why not just provide proof so you don't look like a consummate liar?

[–]William_World 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

yep this started with the euromaiden coup, a nazi takeover

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    [–]Gaslov 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    Yeah no kidding. If war isn't helping things, why do it?

    [–]William_World 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    it helps the elite but never helps things for regular folks

    [–]Gaslov 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    I don't think that's necessarily true. War over critical resources can definitely help everyone on the victors side. Key word being can.

    [–]William_World 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    some supported iraq war cuz of that kind of wrong thinking. our gas prices went up though after we stole all that oil

    [–]Musky 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

    This is what I wrote on the twitter thread mentioned in the article:

    Winning was never the purpose. Ukraine is there to sell their lives dearly and hamper Russia. It makes sense for us to pull back if we're seeing diminishing returns for our money. Not like Ukraine can stop fighting now even if we don't bankroll them.

    People were sold this war with propaganda and now we're doing something that clashes with the fluff used to garner support, but it makes perfect sense to me. I feel like finally the government is doing something smart.

    [–]Alphix 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

    Dude, "we" (you) aren't seeing ANY return for YOUR money. The politicians use Ukraine to launder money for THEMSELVES and make sure that their military equipment gets sold far and wide, in order to destabilize even more places so they can find a reason to intervene. The military-industrial complex demands it. Many of these weapons are finding their way to al-qaeda and other terrorist groups, while the money from the sales goes to Ukraine, split with the USA even though they're not using Sam Bankman-Fried to do this anymore.

    [–]Musky 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    The return isn't in the weapons, it was in getting Ukrainians to sacrifice their lives for our goals. It took a mighty big bribe indeed, but that is understandable. And now they're doing it, we don't have to bribe them anymore.

    [–]Alphix 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    What goals are those? I'm genuinely curious.

    [–]Musky 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    The Ukranian war ties up Russia's military and resources. They're bogged down, fighting for a territory they thought they'd reclaim in a month. If things had gone to plan for the Russians, they'd probably be further trying to rebuild the Soviet Union and becoming a world player again.

    [–]Alphix 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Nah, Putin is only interested in protecting Russia and increasing its wealth through commercial cooperation with the BRICS countries.

    [–]William_World 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    golden billion

    [–]Site_rly_sux 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

    Hahaha cope harder rashists

    Their evidence is: "well who knows, why not"

    Ruzzians attacking with sticks instead of weaponry

    https://mobile.twitter.com/StarskyUA/status/1635102634800730114

    Meanwhile the spring offensive is waiting for just the right soil firmness before ten thousand Bradleys and Strikers liberate Bryansk and Smolenskas

    [–]aaarrgh 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    with sticks? I thought, 'relying' on western media, they fought with their bare hands by now...

    [–]Site_rly_sux 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Not the "media", you idiot.

    It's the intelligence section of the UK ministry of defence.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/DefenceHQ/status/1632270968868466689

    You can try to accuse them of lying, but you'll just end up looking even more stupid, because they have put out one of those slides every day for 380 or so days now and haven't been found incorrect even once. Go ahead and try to disprove a single one of the ~380

    [–]Alphix 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

    About time!

    But that means the USA is going to turn to angering China now. Maybe a little war against Iran in the meantime? Wait, no, it's... What's the name of that small place near Ukraine... Moldova I think?

    Something like that, then provoke China, just because.

    [–]William_World 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    like with russia it might be a good idea to get china to waste some of their resources, their military and economy, it might be good to worsen it

    they messed us up with their covid bioweapon

    [–]Alphix 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    It was a US bioweapon.

    [–]William_World 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    international money changers weapon i guess is most accurate

    [–]Alphix 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    OK, sure.

    [–]William_World 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    true

    [–]aaarrgh 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    that's sooner than expected