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[–]JohnRaymond[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

In 1800s free masons outlined their plan to control Vatican. The bastards pulled it off in 1958, helped by sister group, Commies.

It affects all peoples, not just Catholics. Btw, I'm Catholic. Love papacy. We just have no pope

[–]RoundOpaque 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Don't you guys call him the "Nope"? Always thought that was funny.

The book goes well with AA-1025

[–]JohnRaymond[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Never heard that. are you talking Francis only?

[–]bucetao6969 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I love religion critical catholics, they seem fun people to hang around with :)

[–]JohnRaymond[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

You have no idea!

[–]bucetao6969 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

btw, I'm agnostic.

Do you think most of the things on bible are just fairy tales (even if God is real)? Since the bible is a bunch of stories, I mostly interpreted the general message instead of taking everything at face value. It is in english so it's man written, that also explains some of the misconceptions or weird ideals (which made sense when it was written at the time, not much so with our current developed nation).

[–]JohnRaymond[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

An agnostic asking questions with open mind! 10000 timed better than a false Cardinal happy and self satisfied So Catholic Church says she is sole proprietor and interpreter of Bible. I believe Bible is inerrant, inspired word if Gid. But I was deeply confused, when I tried to interpret it. Horrible experience.

Men did write it, true... But Catholic Church says under inspiration of God. (Caveat, Catholic Church has always been attacked. Last one, 1958... Our enemies took over Vatican. So Vatican II council, Assisi prayer meeting, Francis, pachamama, child rape after 1958... This is alk on our enemies).

Ty for question.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (35 children)

If I could prove to you that 1958- sedevantism implies that Catholicism is false, would you go Eastern Orthodox or accept that 1958 sedevacantism is false?

[–]JohnRaymond[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Go for it!

[–]JohnRaymond[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (33 children)

A couple questions first. Eastern Orthodox, as you call it... I say Unorthodox. Russian, Greek, which one? Or all combined?

A lady who was in one of these groups vehemently denied Immaculate Conception. A uo priest supported it. How does your religion treat this? Both good? How do you settle disputes like these on essential matters?

False pope Francis subtly denied Immaculate Concept. Catholics Immediately judged as just another heresy among tons. You deny any Catholic teaching, you're not Catholic. Simple

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (32 children)

First I want to know what you believe in more, that Catholicism is true or that VII created a new church? If 1958 sedevacantism is shown to be a self contradiction will you accept that maybe the VII popes except Francis are true popes or will you just pack up and leave Catholicism? If the latter then I will not, for accepting the true Church till VII is better than accepting it only till 1054. Also it would be better using DMs.

[–]JohnRaymond[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (31 children)

Catholicism is absolutely true. The technical start date of new church can be debated. But a new church was created . I say when Roncalli became first false popr. Vatican II is what I consider coming out party. I believe all aren't popes. All false, non Catholics. I don't like dms because of m trying to publicize all of it.

You're getting early ahead of yourself in asking if ill pack up...etc I don't ask that of you. Probably be a mortal sin for me to even consider it

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (30 children)

I’m just saying that once you learn that 1958 sedevacantism is impossible you will have to think of some explanation for what happened to the Church since Vatican II. If you are 100% committed to the idea that they are antipopes there’s no point to it.

[–]JohnRaymond[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (29 children)

I am 100% committed to belief the Catholic Church is infallible and indefectable

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (28 children)

Very simply, the reason that 1958 sedevacantism is false is that it implies that the Catholic Church can lose some of its formal attributes and marks for not 3.5, not 7, not even 40, years but for about 65 years without defecting. Yes, almost the entire hierarchy, most notably the see of Rome, lost the faith, and this too for over 60 years, where the abomination of desolation forced the true mass underground--that is the true presence of Christ is only available to a small remnant. The claim is this can happen for over sixty years without the world ending. Unlike most Catholics I can buy that the world is ending, but this sort of eclipsing emergency has a time limit, according to the scriptures. But then let us talk about why this is important in a practical sense.

The mission of the Church is to save souls, which is why it is visible and conspicuous. Although it can be eclipsed, it cannot magically transport from the see of Rome to a barn in Kansas unless the world is ending. That too has a finite time limit. How are you going to convince someone that outside of the sedevacantist church there is no salvation if it is not one or apostolic?

The oneness, of course, is missing because there is no pope. But this has practical problems too, because nobody has any binding authority, not Mario Derkson, not Bishop Sandborn, not Father Cekada. If any bishop disagrees with your personal interpretation of scripture or church documents you can avoid him as a modernist and find a new one. This is a very easy problem to solve if sedevacantism is true, but most sedevacantists I know online did not submit to Pope Michael.

Without a pope giving the bishop a mandate, there are no longer successors to the apostles. In the Catholic Church the apostles are sent, not self-appointed. You may have material apostolicity in the sedevacantist church but not formal apostolicity.

Thus the sedevacantist church has no authority to teach and no apostles, which Catholicism claims to have till the end of time. Even the end of time has a time limit, maybe at most 40 years, and that time has expired for 1958 sedevacantists.

If 1958 sedevacantism is true, Catholicism is false. If Catholicism is false 1958 sedevacantism is false. Hence it is a self-contradiction.

[–]JohnRaymond[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

We have Not lost the 4 marks. This has all been prophesied... Bible, Church Fathers, Our Lady of LaSallette etc. This is almost certainly3rd Secret of Fatima! This is great apostasy. I think it is additional evidence we are true church. And Satan is providing that evidence. I don't see how you, others smart ones (and you're obviously smart) can't see it. Satan is attacking US, Catholic Church. We have that honor.

1.2 billion down to 200k, 400k.. And this isn't shocking to anyone?

[–]JohnRaymond[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There is specific Catholic teaching based on this contingency. There are near prophetic Catholic writers discussing this, early in 20th century. Stunning when I read it. I can get if u want . Father Berry on novusordowatch site.

Sedevacantism bishops are quite clear they have no ordinary jurisdiction. CMRI and SGG seem to have a disagreement on annulments, not sure. There is confusion, and some clergy and laity , some, are making mistakes. If this makes some non Catholic, so be it. Others remain Catholic. Japanese forced out Catholic priests... After a couple hundred yrs, when they returned, the laity had remained Catholic! They were certainly "sloppy" in some areas, to be sure. I'm extremely "sloppy". I have missed formation, I see priest once a mo. But I'm Catholic.

The Church "supplies jurisdiction" using epikeya. Canon law is for salvation of souls. In special circumstances, it can be thrown out. These are extremely dire circumstances

[–]JohnRaymond[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I will add more later today. The True Presence is available to everyone. They might have to drive 3 hours. My priest flies Ohio to Tx. What I think: God took out non serious folks, lazy ones...

On barn in Kansa comment.. That's beneath you. Anyone who's crazy can say themeselve sede. David was fiercely rejected, attacked by almost all sedes. Not all sedes are Catholic, or sane, or holy.

Bishops and priests keep traveling. I'm here for purposes of converting souls. In Austin mission, protestants, Vatican2 people walk in. We are gaining souls. It's dark time

[–]JohnRaymond[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

40 year time limit? This 40 year limit is your common sense number. Yes, 40 years makes sense on a natural level... But I go by Catholic Church. You can't find this number

No time limit exists. Btw, Our Lady of LaSallette said ROME WILL LOSE THE FAITH. How more in your face can you get?? And! Some clergy in Catholic Church try to suppress these dire warnings. That's extra proof that they are worthy if belief

The following is my opinion, and could be wrong. old testament Jews were punished for 70 years I believe... In my opinion, I think we are living out some of what old testament Jews went thru. My opinion, from maccabean uprising YouTube channel.

[–]JohnRaymond[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

LAST. Saints have talked about possibility of Catholic Church going down to extremely small numbers. Under 100 I believe, maybe less. God loves Catholic Church and is very jealous God.

Your first line says IMPLIES. the correct words are.. You inferred it. And you did so in error.

You can't site one Catholic teaching I am rejecting

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Okay, suppose the Novus Ordo is the abomination of desolation. We are past the 1290 days of Daniel.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Rome CAN lose the faith. I believe it is in the book of the apocalypse. I think Francis is the false prophet.

What the Catholic Church cannot do is contradict dogma. I think 1958 sedes were correct mostly but too early. The masons took over most of the Church but not the papacy. That is why they resigned Benedict to install the false prophet of Fatima.

[–]JohnRaymond[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Ratzinger was a decades long apostate. What dogma does sedevacantism contradict? Sedevacantism explains how papacy was Not taken over. Papacy remains pure.
Have you ever read Pope Paul IV on this? He anticipated this in 16th century

[–]JohnRaymond[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

Thuc had special mandate from Pius XII. I don't know all details, beyond Pius XII did it because of commies.
But I think beyond that, during schism Bishops consecrated bishops without a mandate. When order restored, Pope did not sanction this in anyway. A future pope, Heaven looks on us with pity. But we look with pity on non Catholics. Sspx, Vatican II are non Catholics

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

Do you believe it is heresy to say that the Christian Church subsists in the Catholic Church?

How can non-Catholic people die with invincible ignorance if we agree that nobody outside the Church is saved? These saved non-Catholic have to be in the Church somehow, otherwise the Churrch contradicted itself before VII.

The answer is heretics are outside THE BODY of the Church. A sincere pagan who is saved is in the SOUL of the Church. This was in theology manuals BEFORE VII, so traditionalists who call it heresy do it in ignorance.

[–]JohnRaymond[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Christian Church subsisting in Catholic Church is Heresy, utter treason.

I will add to this through out. Other duties. Plus I want to address each question. THANKS YOU FOR ENGAGING. VAST MAJORITY WON'T.

[–]JohnRaymond[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There is no salvation outside Catholic Church is how it's translated. Catholics, everyone, must believe this AS Holy Mother Church intended it. I thought along your lines, but adjusted my Incorrect thinking when I heard about invincible ignorance. Father Cekada has more. What I think it means is Catholic Church is only means of salvation. But a Methodist who has baptism of blood, or perfect contrition.In hour of death... Will be saved. A pagan can be saved... Lots of hoops! I can get you Real teachers on these. I'm a poor uneducated layman.

[–]JohnRaymond[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

There are Sedevacantists who read papal documents out of context, and in opposition to universal ordinary magesterium. Much like Protestants reading bible. These Sedevacantists are not Catholic. They certainly are fierce. They oppose BOD, invincible ignorance for non Catholics, bob.

[–]JohnRaymond[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

So I believe non Catholics can be saved. Hard! I believe in bod, bob,

You are hearing from feeneyites, who are non Catholic, but Sedevacantists. We bitterly fight them

[–]JohnRaymond[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

SGG, MHTS, CMRI agree on all essentials. We fight on non binding opinions. We are one. There are other Catholics around the world.

Also Sedevacantists. Not all are Catholic. Feeneyites, . They consider us non Catholics, we consider them non Catholics.

Fighting is normal in any age, certainly this time