In order to avoid thinking God maintains the universe, scientists are re-inventing physics because physics still doesn't work LOL

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[–]Vulptex 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

You are in a simulation controlled by demons. Avoid the light and anything else waiting for you after death, as it is a trap for reincarnation. All religion serves to cover this up and cause us to fall for those deceptions, and all atheism denies the truth by claiming, nonsensically, that everything can come from nothing.

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You are in a simulation controlled by demons.

all atheism denies the truth by claiming, nonsensically, that everything can come from nothing.

Your reasoning does not solve this conundrum, it just adds a level of abstraction.

If we are in a simulation it stands to reason that there must be real non-simulated base reality from which the simulations emerge. In order for this base reality to exist, you have the same chicken and the egg conundrum you do if you assume that our current reality is in fact the base reality.

There really isn't any logical framework that can escape this particular conundrum, but you have taken the same conundrum and added a level of complexity with a simulated layer of reality on top of the old problem. By Occam's razor this seems to be less probable, although there are some reasonable and quite convincing rationales for assuming we do in fact live in a simulation I admit (I object only to this particular rationale on its own being used to justify the theory, not your conclusion)

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Whether we are in base reality or not they are all simulations. Otherwise nothing objective and forced upon us could exist.

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Again, I tend to agree with you, I think there is a high probability we do in fact live in a simulation, but I don't think I completely follow what you are saying here.

Whether we are in base reality or not they are all simulations.

Ok, but even if we are in a simulation, this infers the existence of a non-simulated reality somewhere right? Or else there could be no simulation.

Otherwise nothing objective and forced upon us could exist.

So now you are talking about a non-simulated reality, one you say must have certain conditions. So I think I am not understanding what you mean by 'they are all simulations', because this is what I meant by a 'base reality' - one which is not a simulation but that the simulations may exist in (in which case the problem of where this 'real' non-objective reality came from would still be present - it is something and can't have come from nothing).

I am also very curious about this non-objectivity requirement. What is it about 'reality' that means it must have this property? The 'base reality' being completely subjective might be the case, quantum physics shows us some interesting properties about observers and our current reality, but you are very adamant about this, and I don't think I completely understand your rationale here, or how you are getting from A to Z

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

How can something be fed to you externally, especially forcefully, if there is no simulation?

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How can something be fed to you externally, especially forcefully, if there is no simulation?

Again, I don't think I follow. It sounds like you have assumptions about the nature of what a non-simulated reality must necessarily be like. Are you suggesting we would not need caloric sustenance for energy and exert some sort of sovereign control that prevents force/coercion in a non-simulated reality? If so, what is it about the nature of non-simulated reality that makes this so? I like the sound of that, but what makes you think that this is the case?

You seem very strong in your convictions about this, I just want to understand what makes you so confident in your beliefs about the nature of reality

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's only logical. The only way around it is the idea that we're all one collective consciousness, which I consider socialist bs and intentionally engineered to keep us easy to subject.

And judging by the nature of its world, if the collective consciousness is real it must really hate itself. Far more likely that sadist archons are running it.