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[–]FlippyKing 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Well, he's proving right the Catholics who say the church after Vatican II has been taken over by "modernists" and Freemasons, and every -ist and -ism that popes like Leo XIII and Pius X (and XI and XII) warned about. Why would he pretend to know anything about viruses or drugs or immune systems, or worse, why equate placing faith in demonstrably corrupt institutions and corporations with Christianity? Has he heard of the "mark of the beast"?

Catholicism is really nothing without the supernatural, it's essentially Lutheranism without the supernatural, but the "modernists" in the church's leadership love being respected by the world and by global leaders and want to pretend there's a place in the the world's hierarchy for them when it is all done. There really is no other way for a "modernist" catholic religious to be other than lost in worldly things and incoherent with respect to previous Catholic tradition.

Protestants have been saying the Pope is the anti-Christ and Rome is Babylon, but what many do not realize is that in some very significant ways many Catholics agree. What may be surprising is that the Marian apparitions, that many Protestants see as demonic, have predicted all of this. Our Lady of Good Success, Fatima, La Salette: all point to the events that have taken place already warning the church was going to go astray.

The idea of home churches is anticipated by Our Lady of La Salette, and a nun in Wichita KS is trying to start the order specified by Mary at La Salette for when the Church leadership oversees its own destruction. If all that is true, then it might be "THE" church in the singular and united sense in a way none of could ever imagine because it hasn't been seen since maybe the second or third century. Many mainstream protestant denominations have bought into the same BS this arch(nemesis)bishop has bought into. The Orthodox leadership seem to have remained better than all that.

[–]soundsituation 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Why would he pretend to know anything about viruses or drugs or immune systems, or worse, why equate placing faith in demonstrably corrupt institutions and corporations with Christianity? Has he heard of the "mark of the beast"?

I'd love to hear some more about this. Is it essentially selling out, or maybe more appropriately, "selling your soul"?

Catholicism is really nothing without the supernatural, it's essentially Lutheranism without the supernatural

Ha. True.

[–]FlippyKing 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I'm not sure what you want to hear more about. I'd rather not start typing if I end up missing the mark.

[–]soundsituation 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I wanted to know how the part of your quote that I bolded relates to the part that precedes it. My biblical knowledge is spotty. I think I understand your meaning better now, though I'm still not sure if you were implying that being vaxxed is itself the mark (seems pretty harsh), or if you were referring to those knowingly involved in corruption/collusion.

[–]FlippyKing 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I didn't notice the bolding in the quote, so I wasn't sure what was unclear. Sorry. Also though, I'm glad for the clarification you gave because I probably would not have given you a good answer if I did notice it.

First, I was being as tongue in cheek with that line as I was about about Catholicism - the supernatural = Lutheranism.

What the "mark of the beast" means is open to a lot of debate and interpretation, as the whole book it is from. Some find it all so tough to understand that they skip it. Some seem very obsessed with it, and a criticism of such a strong focus on that book is that it leads people to ignore the world and our role as "our brother's keepers" while preparing for an end times that may actually be an internal individual-by-individual process. I used to be strongly in that camp: ignore the book as it is tough to understand, feed the hungry, love thy neighbor, let the end times handle themselves. I now see the two competing positions as: it's both, and both 100% each, not 50-50.

The idea that people can't do a lot of things we used to take for granted in some countries without some proof of being "current" (no longer "fully") in their covid jabs is undeniably like the "used to identify those allowed to buy or sell" on the link you shared. Selling here can mean working in a retail place or selling your labor, not selling on ebay. That's not a conspiracy theory or any end-times biblical obsession, it simply is what is going on.

I don't know how the jabs can be a mark of the beast, but there are two kinds for covid: the mrna ones (Moderna, Pfizer), and the (J&J, Russia's "sputnik" vax, and a couple of others not in the US) old fashioned inject a 'dead' biological pathogen (or partical, or some specific protein, I'm fuzzy on the matching of these to our immune response. Allison Morrow interviewed a professor of biology in a school in San Francisco recently and she shared a lot of great information. The interview starts slowly, the professor dances around a couple of questions deftly (not addressing the specific context of one question, and creating a false equivalence in another) but finding it on Morrow's Odysee page is well worth it).

So I can't, and would not want to, call the jabs a mark of the beast like thing, but ignoring the similarity to it with the restrictions against the unwilling seems like being intentionally obtuse about it.

But, I never liked any interpretation of The Apocalypse (which I think best translates as "the unveiling", very much less sinister or scary sounding, and I quite like that idea actually) aka The Book of Revelation until recently. Now though I like two. If you are interested in what that book might mean, there is no short cut. I haven't gone through them well enough to know where the align or where they conflict, but I should. Especially since both involve Marian apparitions, their shared coherence or lack thereof should matter to me. It does matter to me, but I have to carve out the time to go through it all.

One of the sets of interpretations were given by Our Lady to Father Gobi who is the founder of the Marian Movement of Priests. It took years for her to reveal it all to him, and it was all meticulously written down. Another set involve a very interesting character named Bruno Cornacchiola and Our Lady of Revelation. More than suggesting you dig deep into either of those, I do suggest checking out his life and what a crazy character he was before Our Lady confronted him.

I think though, getting back to your reply, corruption is at the heart of all of this. Also competition, and collusion. For example, this may seem mundane but OSHA had a lawyer recently presenting arguments before the Supreme Court about their jab mandate. That lawyer made very simple and clear claims about the effectiveness of the jabs. Was the lawyer speaking as a lawyer? Was the lawyer speaking as OSHA's representative? If the former, the lawyer does not have that expertise. This is not a point to gloss over. For very simple things, a lawyer who may have demonstrable expertise on something has to have an expert and some outside sources present such claims because the role of being the lawyer is separate from making substantive claims about things other than the law. So, the lawyer could not be speaking from their own authority. Then what about the latter? My first question would be "Is this a claim OSHA is making?", because the matter was a litigant against OSHA. A follow up would be to ask if OSHA has reviewed the data or conducted their own research into the matter. I doubt they have. OSHA mostly likely is repeating what they've been told. In essence, OSHA is ceding authority to another body (CDC? NIH? I don't know). So, there is a kind of collusion that seems reasonable, but shirks due diligence. Bobby Kennedy Jr has done a great job showing how corrupt NIH and Fauci are, so this puts OSHA's actions in question-- maybe not all their actions but the unilateral nature of it I think for sure.

I think it comes down to authoritarianism and "technocracy" which will probably not get debated before it not only wins but long after it cashed its prize and spent the winnings. We used to refer to some politicians, Democrats generally, as "technocrats". That mayor of Baltimore who briefly ran for president is a clear example. Elsewhere I've talked about "corporate medicine" (not like corporate rock, but the idea that some body makes broad medical decisions instead of a specific licensed professional in each specific instance for each specific patient), but corporate medicine and any one-size-fits-all solutions lend themselves to a technocrat's approach to policy. It only follows from that to say a society run that way would be a technocracy where the "blame" for policy is placed on data (crime data was the traditional way I saw it talked about) and "the science".

I view the big evil in the world as authoritarianism, or it uses authoritarianism to achieve its goals. Attempts to train or retrain, or continually train via boosters, our immune system instead of trusting it and nurturing it with good nutrition and a clean environment and healthy living, seems anti-human to me. I see transhumanism and all the weird identity crisis things that lead people to take sex hormones in an incomplete imitation of the hormones of the opposite sex, and the surgeries, I see that as taking advantage of hurting and desperate people in a way that is also anti-human. Organizing society in such a way that local communities do not grow all the food they need, do not produce the things they need, all so a small few can skim profits from a system modeled on a factory, replacing tangible communities with abstract markets, is anti-human. The disdain of the ruling class for the working class, the all to frequent animosity between men and women, the new kind of "left" that has a disdain for the working class, it comes from somewhere. It's not just a misunderstanding of nature, but a disdain for it. Too many people got far too far in life, generation after generation, that dirty callused hands are feared by those who would rule over us. I think, regardless of what the specifics of the "end times" or of any revelation, those very anti-human factors are the most salient features of "the mark of the beast" and all that comes along with it when ever it comes along.

Sorry for typing so much and drifting into a rant. I don't see this in a simple way though, and I think there is a fundamentally flawed paradigm that took centuries to arise and thus is tough to see beyond the veil. We live too short. Pope Leo XIII, Pope Pius X, and others were surprisingly accurate in their critic of changes in the world around them and the results they would gain. Rudolph Steiner predicted the decline of bees a hundred years before it began. For that, his works on nature deserve a look. He is tough to understand though. Similarly, Pope Leo XIII and all the various anti-modern writings of popes long ago now look accurate and worthy of reading.

[–]soundsituation 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Wow. Thank you for all of this: the context, the branching paths and the admission of complexity too. I had interpreted your initial comment more literally. I don't really have anything to add but I do sincerely want to thank you for taking the time to write this up and let you know I've been thinking about it.

[–]FlippyKing 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's always a pleasure to share thoughts with you!

Some of the things I said are new-to-me ideas. The idea that we live too (edited) long short, and thus what one generation would consider intolerable is considered normal with the older generation being dead and unable to even describe what is wrong. We are going to be in a place where no one will remember what it was like before 9/11, though they had been passing draconian anti-terror laws for a decade before that. I really hate that all the crap in the patriot act and NDAA and the idea that nearly all the country is within the vicinity of an international boarder, that all that will be normal. Honestly, I think the whole set of changes I've seen in my life are actually unsustainable and if there are end-times then they are almost forced by the fact that the world and everything in it are treated like a zero-sum game where everyone's misery is somehow some rich douche's gain. It's similar to the idea that cancer cases are a net gain for the economy because of research and spending on care.