We are making an idol of the nuclear family

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[–]fschmidt 9 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

I am truly horrified by the lack of any sane response by Christians here. This just shows how far Christianity has fallen. I am not Christian, I follow the Old Testament. Good Christians are very rare these days, and since none appear to be in this sub, I will respond instead.

Having a traditional family is certainly the ideal. Without such families, society falls apart. So it is the responsibility of religion to promote traditional families. The breakdown of the traditional family is the biggest problem facing humanity today.

It is the responsibility of the parents to maintain morality in the family. If they fail do so, then they deserve a bad reputation.

Both Jesus and Moses taught that God comes before family. The point is that if some relatives become evil then you should reject them, not support them just because they are family. But putting God before family is not a rejection of family at all. This is twisting what they said.

Most Christians today are disgusting depraved scum, totally lacking in morals. The first step to remedying this situation is to bring back traditional values, most importantly traditional family values.

[–]Vulptex[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

You are wildly wrong in your assessment. Most Christians are completely obsessed with nothing but "traditional family values" and ignore everything else to harp on it. You won't make it through a single discussion with one of them without this topic coming up.

Having a traditional family is certainly the ideal. Without such families, society falls apart. So it is the responsibility of religion to promote traditional families. The breakdown of the traditional family is the biggest problem facing humanity today.

Society is a force run by Satan, the god of this world. The "New World Order" isn't right around the corner, it's already here, and has been since the very beginning, but if you're part of it you can't see it, tribalism is blinding. He loves to divide people by arbitrary lines and tempt them into doing awful things to each other. There is only one authentic family and biological relations aint it. This "traditional" nonsense has its roots in Greco-Roman paganism, which can be traced back to Babylonian and Egyptian brutality, and has been the cause of so much agony for God's family. Of course both the secular media and the pharisee religious groups don't want you to know that and paint the story the opposite way around, but they're not fooling me anymore. Society has never been God's servant, it's just started pretending to be ever since they realized Christianity couldn't be stopped.

The point is that if some relatives become evil then you should reject them, not support them just because they are family.

It also means you shouldn't love someone less just because they're not biological family.

But putting God before family is not a rejection of family at all. This is twisting what they said.

No, they taught there is one family, the spiritual one, which is why they started calling themselves siblings. And yes, choosing to remain single was just as good as marrying and starting a family. There's no point in trying to deny it, this is remarkably clear. People who say otherwise are just looking for an excuse to judge another.

Most Christians today are disgusting depraved scum, totally lacking in morals. The first step to remedying this situation is to bring back traditional values, most importantly traditional family values.

Your first sentence is correct. But it's because they're too focused on their traditional and family values, us vs them, that they miss everything important and even deny the truth to support their agenda. You don't hear about how many preachers hoard huge salaries for obvious reasons, Nor do they like to read any of the gospels because their false doctrines rely on out-of-context Pauline and old testament passages as well as a few forgeries.

[–]fschmidt 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You are wildly wrong in your assessment. Most Christians are completely obsessed with nothing but "traditional family values" and ignore everything else to harp on it. You won't make it through a single discussion with one of them without this topic coming up.

I guess it's all relative, and relative to my view, most Christians don't have family values. I don't take talk very seriously, I mostly look at actions and results. So if Christians are obsessed with family values, why is their divorce rate so high?

Society is a force run by Satan, the god of this world. The "New World Order" isn't right around the corner, it's already here, and has been since the very beginning, but if you're part of it you can't see it, tribalism is blinding. He loves to divide people by arbitrary lines and tempt them into doing awful things to each other. There is only one authentic family and biological relations aint it. This "traditional" nonsense has its roots in Greco-Roman paganism, which can be traced back to Babylonian and Egyptian brutality, and has been the cause of so much agony for God's family. Of course both the secular media and the pharisee religious groups don't want you to know that and paint the story the opposite way around, but they're not fooling me anymore. Society has never been God's servant, it's just started pretending to be ever since they realized Christianity couldn't be stopped.

Have you read the Old Testament? I mean if someone tells me that the sky is green, I just can't argue because this person can't see reality. This is the level of what you wrote. God supports tribalism because the only way that good can be selected for is by tribes (and their ethical systems) competing. Globalism is evil.

The point is that if some relatives become evil then you should reject them, not support them just because they are family.

It also means you shouldn't love someone less just because they're not biological family.

No it doesn't. Please learn some logic.

No, they taught there is one family, the spiritual one, which is why they started calling themselves siblings. And yes, choosing to remain single was just as good as marrying and starting a family. There's no point in trying to deny it, this is remarkably clear. People who say otherwise are just looking for an excuse to judge another.

Nowhere in the Bible does it say any of this. Christians also generally misunderstand what Jesus said about judgement, but that is another subject.

Nor do they [preachers] like to read any of the gospels because their false doctrines rely on out-of-context Pauline and old testament passages as well as a few forgeries.

I agree here, but for the opposite reason. So now please quote from the gospels anything that you think supports your position.

[–]Vulptex[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

So if Christians are obsessed with family values, why is their divorce rate so high?

Because they're so obsessed with making sure people aren't single that they feel pressured to marry VERY early. This doesn't work out for obvious reasons. It's forced.

Have you read the Old Testament? I mean if someone tells me that the sky is green, I just can't argue because this person can't see reality. This is the level of what you wrote. God supports tribalism because the only way that good can be selected for is by tribes (and their ethical systems) competing. Globalism is evil.

Globalism is evil because it is the epitome of society. Instead of a bunch of smaller human orders that all oppose God, they all unite into one big one! But the good "being selected for" is bogus, it's a fact of life that the most vile and evil people are actually the ones favored by natural selection. You don't get to the top by being a good person, you get there by cheating and taking advantage of others, and that's just the way Satan's world works. Why else do you think God's people have always been so reviled and persecuted throughout history?

No it doesn't. Please learn some logic.

Did Jesus not say to leave your biological ties behind for your new spiritual family? Primal instincts are part of fallen nature.

Nowhere in the Bible does it say any of this. Christians also generally misunderstand what Jesus said about judgement, but that is another subject.

Multiple times people were instructed to leave biological family behind to follow Jesus. They also called each other "brothers and sisters" because they were all children of God in the real spiritual family. And not marrying is praised in Matthew 19:11-12, and not condemned.

I agree here, but for the opposite reason. So now please quote from the gospels anything that you think supports your position.

"And he told them, 'not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it was given. For there are eunuchs who were born that way from their mother's womb, and there were eunuchs who were castrated by men, and there are eunuchs who made themselves eunuchs because of the kingdom of the heavens.'" - Matthew 19:12. Note that the last comment likely refers to actual self castration, which would've been loathed in the ancient world which highly valued masculine dominance. In addition, uncastrated celibates are praised by Paul, an important early witness to Christianity, and John and Jesus both never married. In complete opposition to the culture which did not respect you if you were not married.