Why is the Bible so confusing, if it's so important that we understand what God is saying? by Aphemix in ChristianConspiracy

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The Old Testament is but not the new.

Who is Jesus? Who is God? What is the truth? by Aphemix in ChristianConspiracy

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Hello

Doesn't Christian teaching encourage people to judge others and believe things without evidence? by Aphemix in ChristianConspiracy

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No

How do we know Jesus comes from the good God and not from demons? What is the difference between Jesus' miracles and occult power? by Aphemix in ChristianConspiracy

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brother! You're awesome. Thank you for your post! :D

How do we know Jesus comes from the good God and not from demons? What is the difference between Jesus' miracles and occult power? by Aphemix in ChristianConspiracy

[–]Rubblehugger 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The main difference is that the historically verified messianic predictions in the old testament were so precise that there was no possibility that anything other than the true God could have made them and then had them fulfilled.

If you pay attention to all major spiritual texts (as well as lesser know occult ones), actual predictions are never made - and when they are, they are ver vauge and can be fulfilled in multiple different ways. This is not true when it comes to the canonical Bible.

In fact, of the 40 or so major messianic predictions, 17 are used to just illustrate the impossibility of all being fulfilled by one man (even by coincidence). A quick internet search will show that even conservative secular scolars estimate the chances of just these 17 prefictions coming true (30 peices of silver, bones not broken, born in Bethlehem, etc...) are in the range of 1030 - 1043. However, the chances of the 300 or so messianic predictions being fulgilled by one man is well over 10100 (again, a quick google will verify this).The number of atoms in the observable universe is estimatd to be 1078 - 1082.

Some secular historians argue that there is no corraborating evidence to the Biblical accounts, which is either true to a degree, or obfuscated by plausible arguments in favor of fakery and what have you. But, there are some events that are verified by pagans at the time of Christ's excecution that are indisputible historical fact, such as Tertullian's observance of the sky going dark at midday for 2+ hours. If you discount these independant accounts, then you must likewise discount much of ancient history.

So basically, the miracles done by Jesus as the messiah not only include ressurection of the dead, healing of the sick, casting out demons etc... but also the fulfillment of precise prophecy from 400+ years before the events. Also, the nature of Jesus' miracles also (imo) indicate a good rather than evil source. Evil is a skilled adversary, but it is not that skilled.

Once you really start delving into Biblical research and secular verification of the claims made, you will discover that there is really no reason to doubt the Bible. Almost every argument I had in favor of a corrupted text or just mere impossiblity of the accpunts came to a crashing halt a few months after I started reveiwing both secular scholars work and the theological critiques of those work and vica versa.

Thanks for reading.

Who is Jesus? Who is God? What is the truth? by Aphemix in ChristianConspiracy

[–]magnora7 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

his having allegedly fulfilled much Old Testament prophecy, for example,

But if he were truly wise, he would know his message would carry farther if he were to fulfill those prophecies. So he may have acted that way intentionally. He was incredibly educated on Jewish readings, after all, having debated the priests even as a child.

I think he filled the expectations of those who were looking for someone close to God. And I believe he knew he was doing that, it wasn't an accident. He was a wise guy, he knew what he was doing.

Who is Jesus? Who is God? What is the truth? by Aphemix in ChristianConspiracy

[–]magnora7 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, but those who are wiser are more in-tune with reality, so their message resonates more with other beings. These people are said to be more "of God" than others, from what I see in world culture history. Jesus, Buddha, etc.

But yes, we're all "children of God" I guess both by what Christianity says and by what I said. Some people are just more in-tune with God (aka the universe) than others. Aka they're wiser.

Who is Jesus? Who is God? What is the truth? by Aphemix in ChristianConspiracy

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I understand. I agree he was a wise person, and I agree that it is reasonable to view him as merely being a wise person if we evaluate his person on the basis of some of the things he is alleged to have said.

I do not believe that the truth of Jesus can be correctly evaluated merely on the basis of the wise things he is supposed to have said. Rather, I believe the truth of Jesus is only evidenced correctly by a broader range of factors: his having allegedly fulfilled much Old Testament prophecy, for example, and his having convinced a non-trivial subset of ancient Jews that he had indeed fulfilled these prophecies as their expected Christ. His having allegedly raised from the dead, for example, and his having convinced a non-trivial subset of ancient Jews of the significance of his person with the claim of his resurrection as a primary basis of their persuasion. And not least of all, his having allegedly described himself all throughout his ministry to have explicitly been sent by God and be representing the agency of God: something I can only imagine would be extremely difficult for an observer to reconcile had Jesus not also substantiated his claims; indeed, something I imagine would even be difficult to reconcile with his otherwise being renowned as wise. These factors, I believe, demand scrutiny: they demand an explanation that is far more robust than Jesus merely having been a wise teacher; otherwise they demand the circumstances be interpreted selectively and some factors ignored.

my own explanation is that Jesus is truly the Christ of God, and it is very important to me that I find the truth. But I know we each evaluate differently, and I know your explanation is your own.

thanks for your response.

Who is Jesus? Who is God? What is the truth? by Aphemix in ChristianConspiracy

[–]Broken-needles350 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

By religious beliefs, aren't we all sons and daughters of god?

Who is Jesus? Who is God? What is the truth? by Aphemix in ChristianConspiracy

[–]magnora7 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think Jesus was just a very very wise person. He's the "son of god" in the sense that he's one of the best reflections of the truth of the universe, because he's so wise. Same with Buddha, Lao Tzu, etc.

Just simply by population growth, there's probably 10 people alive right now that are as wise as Jesus was. The problem is, can we find them, and can we recognize the depth of their wisdom if we do?

Is Orthodoxy Wrong About the Second Coming? by to_telos in ChristianConspiracy

[–]Aphemix 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I believe that in Matt 16, Jesus is emphasizing the imminence of the kingdom, which begins forthcoming roughly at the time of the resurrection. Thus, when Jesus says the kingdom will be coming during the time his disciples are still alive, he is correct: this is indeed the time period when the kingdom begins coming; it is the time period when the kingdom is imminent. Conversely, in Matt 24 and Luke 21, Jesus is more emphasizing the arrival of the kingdom, an event which occurs much later, at the conclusion of the period of imminence. This arrival of the kingdom is the event Christians are generally thinking of when they say "the second coming of Christ," and this does not occur during the time when the disciples of Jesus are alive. We can ascertain this by the prophetic signs we are told to look for in Matt 24 and Luke 21.

thoughts?

Why won't God just reveal himself, if it's so important that we believe in him? by Aphemix in ChristianConspiracy

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Why is the Bible so confusing, if it's so important that we understand what God is saying? by Aphemix in ChristianConspiracy

[–]Celica_GT4_ST205 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think this mindset contradicts a mainstream protest-ant POV. I agree this is well for a spiritual development focused adult. My definition of adult is not age specific, given arrested development in many older persons. But, I mean what church is gonna advocate that? What pastor is gonna say IDK let’s follow up on this reading tomorrow and see what then.

Why won't God just reveal himself, if it's so important that we believe in him? by Aphemix in ChristianConspiracy

[–]Vigte 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Personally, given that I am a human being with 0 knowledge of gods, God or Its intentions - I would have to presume the meaning of life is to be good, even in the face of such darkness.

It is after all, increasing darkness that makes what light there is, seem even brighter.

Leave the world a better place than you found it. Love over greed.

Showing Itself, would spoil the test.

Why is the Bible so confusing, if it's so important that we understand what God is saying? by Aphemix in ChristianConspiracy

[–]Aphemix[S,M] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

further reading: 1, 2.

What this sub is about by Aphemix in ChristianConspiracy

[–]Aphemix[S,M] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

have you understood what you've seen in the OP? Do you acknowledge that this is a thing?

then I can tell you this: understanding that this stuff is dangerous is not enough. Right this second it might be enough, but this occult stuff is taking over the world, and it's going to succeed at doing it -- and any person with a worldly value system is going to hop right on it and agree to it. Why? Because every single thing that is advantageous or preferable according to that worldly value system is already under its power, and so for the sake of your own advantage, to suit your own preferences, you will agree.

the only possible way out, it's not just better knowledge of danger, it's not trying a little harder or having better self-control. It's the completely new value system, one which is not incentivized by the rewards of this world -- something which is only, only able to be maintained by the avenue of the inner, supernatural changes to the heart which accompany a submission to the risen Jesus Christ. I repeat: there is no other way. It only happens supernaturally, and only Jesus can do it.

nobody wants to hear this, I know! Nobody likes it! And for that I am sorry. I also cannot sit here and prove to you that what I am saying is true, or has any meaning at all: understanding these things is a process. However, my testimony is this: that I am extremely, extremely acquainted with what I am saying, and I am also very careful that I not speak presumptuously, and I am fully, fully confident that what I am saying is the truth, and that I have abundantly perceived evidence. I am not somebody special, that you should listen to me on the basis of my authority, but I definitely do know this material and I do have things to contribute. Therefore, so far as I am able, I will make my own resources, my own labor, and my own person available to you, that we may all be equipped together. That is the purpose of this sub.

here is some Scripture I curated, with the hope that it will help to illustrate some of these things. Maybe you've never looked at Scripture before. I've tried to keep it as digestible as possible, for those without any background knowledge.

thanks for reading. Cheers everybody.

Is it necessary that I actually believe in Jesus? Can't I just follow his teachings? by Aphemix in ChristianConspiracy

[–]RonPaulForDictator 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

John 3:16 New International Version (NIV) says: For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

It says "believes."

Luke 23:39-43 tells us of a criminal who was crucifieds next to Jesus. He was forgiven and went to heaven despite having no chance to do good works.

Of course, if you believe, you will start living according to Biblical ideals.

How can it be possible that there is a good God when so many things are unfair for so many people? by Aphemix in ChristianConspiracy

[–]RonPaulForDictator 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

How can there be a child keeping the ant farm when ants percieve I justice in the colony?

You are not in control.

God never promised fairness.

You do not know what corrective measures God is planning.

What this sub is about by Aphemix in ChristianConspiracy

[–]fuddlez 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I am on board with this.