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[–]Dragonerne 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (10 children)

People will have the freedom to ask for others to be silenced all they want but no one will be silenced in silence without a fair hearing.

It is not a platform for me then. "fair hearing" I've heard enough of this type of language. Not interested in this platform, but good luck.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (9 children)

An open fair hearing with my trusted-team is not perfect but it's better than an arbitrary judgement from some secretive dictator with an ego.

Better than you coming to my platform would be for all of us to build our own decentralized platforms and federate them. You decide what you want on your server, with or without your own trusted-team, and I decide what I want on mine, etc. We can share the stuff we have in common and omit the unwanted. That's how the federation works.

The SJWs take it to an entirely different level (even more extreme than your intolerance) and have cleaved the Mastodon federation with cancel culture. I'm not sure if there can ever be any solution to this, and if Lemmy doesn't interact with Lenny then it's essentially the same thing. Regardless, getting decentralized is critically important and figuring out how to resolve intolerance division is of secondary concern. (For fuck sakes, if they can make an advanced FLOSS app like Blender, then we can surely build some decent filters in a forum with some decent database analysis that doesn't just serve the deep state surveillance and control system.)

It all has to start somewhere. I suspect this project would work even better if there were a few of us that were co-starting our own servers. We can consult each other and help get things running, tweak the software, etc.

The left already has Lemmy (including censorship of some words). Centrists and the right (and non-SJW left) folks need to embrace Lenny (uncensored) or be left floundering when they (ICAAN) start taking down centralized Internet sites.

[–]Dragonerne 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (8 children)

If there is an authority, then the project is not for me.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

I don't like "authority" at all either. But I also won't have STABs (shills, trolls, and bots) on my server. How can that happen without someone being the "authority".

Offer a better solution.

[–]Dragonerne 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

I liked your tag suggestion. Users could choose their own moderators/admins.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

That's a novel interesting twist.

If I understand you correctly:
If you choose your own "leader(s)" then you are held responsible to them and their standards. If there's a greater problem with one or more individuals under their supervision then the problematic individual(s) and leaders in question might be held accountable (whatever that means) and the other folks under their supervision may need to find new moderators.

I don't like hierarchy but recognize it's often necessary. I don't like my terms here. Leader, mentor, supervisor, etc. I could spend forever trying to find alternative terms to adopt but I don't care that much. I just wish everyone could behave civilly without need for any of this.

[–]Dragonerne 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

It is not about civility. It is about that leftist don't want us to expose their lies, so if we have a platform they will use millions of dollars trying to stop that in any way that they can and they are very creative. One of those ways is gaining admin power through infiltration or other means.

This is the problem you need to fix: How to make it impossible for leftists to impose their will on the users

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

It is not about civility.

Yes it is. Civil people don't need rules.

It is about that leftist don't want us to expose their lies

Out there, yes. On SaidIt, no. Playing the victim here doesn't fly.

so if we have a platform they will use millions of dollars trying to stop that in any way that they can and they are very creative. One of those ways is gaining admin power through infiltration or other means.

Infiltration is a tale as old as time.

Trusted-team and/or admins are accountable to the site owner(s) and IMO should be openly challenged and held accountable by the community in line with the stated manifestos, constitutions, goals, and the foundations that will anchor all discourse as initially laid out by the site owner. If the community doesn't like the mission statement they can leave and start their own.

This is the problem you need to fix: How to make it impossible for leftists to impose their will on the users

IFIFY:
This is the problem WE need to fix: How to make it impossible for extremists and normies to impose their will on the users

[–]Dragonerne 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

On SaidIt, no.

Lol, have you seen how Saidit has been under attack after we joined the website?

Trusted-team and/or admins are accountable to the site owner(s) and IMO should be openly challenged and held accountable by the community in line with the stated manifestos, constitutions, goals, and the foundations that will anchor all discourse as initially laid out by the site owner. If the community doesn't like the mission statement they can leave and start their own.

This is not good enough to stop leftist censorship.

This is the problem WE need to fix: How to make it impossible for extremists and normies to impose their will on the users

However you want to frame it as long as leftists can't gain power to censor me or limit my visibility or in other ways disadvantage me compared to everyone else.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Lol, have you seen how Saidit has been under attack after we joined the website?

You're not a victim and the attacks are not unique to your experience. Truth-seekers across the spectrum are demonized and often called Alt-Right whether they are or not. It's an easy label for the normies and it avoids dealing with the ugly truths that they're trying to suppress, regardless of ideologies.

This is not good enough to stop leftist censorship.

You may very well be correct. IMO, it's worth trying. If it's a little better that's great. If we can improve on that with new ideas that's even better. Doing nothing is unacceptable, IMO.

However you want to frame it as long as leftists can't gain power to censor me

IMO, you should try to be more clear about what kind of leftists you dislike. SJWs, Democrats, fake-progressives, and commies are all VERY problematic. Old-leftists, authentic progressives, anarcho-socialist are not problematic and likely have more in common with you than you do with the GOP and NeoCon Zionist totalitarians.

or limit my visibility or in other ways disadvantage me compared to everyone else.

You're NOT a victim. You're the only one from your community obtuse and still bitching about this. The Iron Left was also removed from /s/All.