5 Questions For /s/DebateAltRight And All Other Sub-Communities That Are Not Allowed To Dominate /s/All.

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[–]Dragonerne 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (12 children)

The left exists here on SaidIt

Just so we're clear. You are not a leftist from my perspective.

IMO, it makes more sense to survive by being smart, collaborating to conserve, fortify what we share in common, and agree to disagree on the minor trivialities under the Zionist corporatocracy oppression (which includes the GOP, NeoCons, Christian Zionists, etc) as capitalism and communism merge into global totalitarianism.

I don't know what you mean by this but I cannot collaborate with leftists who wants to silence me.

At present there's no leadership for SaidIt.

There is leadership. It is garbage but it is currently silencing s/DAR from s/all This is what I mean by admins shouldn't have that kind of power over communities. It was the same failure for reddit. Admins destroyed the alt right through censorship, not the moderators. Your tag ideas are good but might need some work, but I think it is moving in the right direction.

Remove admin power.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

Just so we're clear. You are not a leftist from my perspective.

That's good. I don't consider myself left. I'm voluntarist and don't buy into the left-right paradigm. I used to be left-ish and still consider myself old-left true-progressive (like Jimmy Dore) on many things (very different than SJW fake-progressives and Dems). I like the Green and Libertarian parties, if I must choose to protest vote against the dominant establishment.

I don't know what you mean by this but I cannot collaborate with leftists who wants to silence me.

Can you pay rent in the same building as leftists? Same thing.

Anyone who wants on the platform I help make will be there for free-thought. That means rational discourse without censorship. Juvenile free speech idiots and STABs will be kicked off/censored until we can build filters so no one will need to be censored other than criminals (breaking laws). Essentially just like SaidIt, except that issues will be dealt with by a trusted-team instead of by one admin in secret. People will have the freedom to ask for others to be silenced all they want but no one will be silenced in silence without a fair hearing. The irrational may waste their breath calling for silencing and if they waste our time may be dealt with or filtered.

There is leadership. It is garbage but it is currently silencing s/DAR from s/all

The community is limited not silenced.

Admins destroyed the alt right through censorship, not the moderators.

This will not end. In a way it's a good thing. It's forcing us to find decentralized alternatives. The idea that everyone can host their own instance free of the corporatocracy cloud is the end goal. Not everyone will want to host edgy, fringe, or political content - yet some will be free to.

Remove admin power.

IFIFY: Remove centralized power.

[–]Dragonerne 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (10 children)

People will have the freedom to ask for others to be silenced all they want but no one will be silenced in silence without a fair hearing.

It is not a platform for me then. "fair hearing" I've heard enough of this type of language. Not interested in this platform, but good luck.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (9 children)

An open fair hearing with my trusted-team is not perfect but it's better than an arbitrary judgement from some secretive dictator with an ego.

Better than you coming to my platform would be for all of us to build our own decentralized platforms and federate them. You decide what you want on your server, with or without your own trusted-team, and I decide what I want on mine, etc. We can share the stuff we have in common and omit the unwanted. That's how the federation works.

The SJWs take it to an entirely different level (even more extreme than your intolerance) and have cleaved the Mastodon federation with cancel culture. I'm not sure if there can ever be any solution to this, and if Lemmy doesn't interact with Lenny then it's essentially the same thing. Regardless, getting decentralized is critically important and figuring out how to resolve intolerance division is of secondary concern. (For fuck sakes, if they can make an advanced FLOSS app like Blender, then we can surely build some decent filters in a forum with some decent database analysis that doesn't just serve the deep state surveillance and control system.)

It all has to start somewhere. I suspect this project would work even better if there were a few of us that were co-starting our own servers. We can consult each other and help get things running, tweak the software, etc.

The left already has Lemmy (including censorship of some words). Centrists and the right (and non-SJW left) folks need to embrace Lenny (uncensored) or be left floundering when they (ICAAN) start taking down centralized Internet sites.

[–]Dragonerne 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (8 children)

If there is an authority, then the project is not for me.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

I don't like "authority" at all either. But I also won't have STABs (shills, trolls, and bots) on my server. How can that happen without someone being the "authority".

Offer a better solution.

[–]Dragonerne 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

I liked your tag suggestion. Users could choose their own moderators/admins.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

That's a novel interesting twist.

If I understand you correctly:
If you choose your own "leader(s)" then you are held responsible to them and their standards. If there's a greater problem with one or more individuals under their supervision then the problematic individual(s) and leaders in question might be held accountable (whatever that means) and the other folks under their supervision may need to find new moderators.

I don't like hierarchy but recognize it's often necessary. I don't like my terms here. Leader, mentor, supervisor, etc. I could spend forever trying to find alternative terms to adopt but I don't care that much. I just wish everyone could behave civilly without need for any of this.

[–]Dragonerne 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

It is not about civility. It is about that leftist don't want us to expose their lies, so if we have a platform they will use millions of dollars trying to stop that in any way that they can and they are very creative. One of those ways is gaining admin power through infiltration or other means.

This is the problem you need to fix: How to make it impossible for leftists to impose their will on the users

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

It is not about civility.

Yes it is. Civil people don't need rules.

It is about that leftist don't want us to expose their lies

Out there, yes. On SaidIt, no. Playing the victim here doesn't fly.

so if we have a platform they will use millions of dollars trying to stop that in any way that they can and they are very creative. One of those ways is gaining admin power through infiltration or other means.

Infiltration is a tale as old as time.

Trusted-team and/or admins are accountable to the site owner(s) and IMO should be openly challenged and held accountable by the community in line with the stated manifestos, constitutions, goals, and the foundations that will anchor all discourse as initially laid out by the site owner. If the community doesn't like the mission statement they can leave and start their own.

This is the problem you need to fix: How to make it impossible for leftists to impose their will on the users

IFIFY:
This is the problem WE need to fix: How to make it impossible for extremists and normies to impose their will on the users