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[–]Dinosaurysus 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

I think we should check too see if we can get freecycled/donated hardware for the servers if we're going that route but you realize you're probably not going to be able to run any sort of significant traffic off a home internet connection. I think reddit would be a good place to ask. Maybe start a GoFundMe for cash support.

And we should have representatives talk about it, advertise, drum up support. We don't have enough people here but most of us aren't just on Saidit. We'd need some kind of promo package so everyone isn't doing it ad hoc.

If we can allow tax deductions for crypto that would be awesome. Some people need to sell or donate at a loss on purpose to avoid taxes. Not sure what we would need to qualify. Can we organize as a church, charitable organization, or NGO? The Cassy Initiative has a nice ring to it.

Direct financial contribution is out for me right now, we're living pretty austere atm. I have a cross country trip I have to save for and crypto ain't made me rich yet. I can try pumping reddit for help, people mostly like me there and a lot of old drunks know me.

We want a forum with janitorial moderation rather than editorial moderation -- that's the key imo in one sentence. Clean up junk, don't police legal content at all.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I think we should check too see if we can get freecycled/donated hardware for the servers if we're going that route

Fantastic idea.

you're probably not going to be able to run any sort of significant traffic off a home internet connection

It can grow as necessary with my local indie ISP: https://MNSi.net for home and for business.

Maybe start a GoFundMe for cash support.

There are MANY crowdsourcing sites. I don't have money so I don't/can't use them. The question is, have you ever used any?

And we should have representatives talk about it, advertise, drum up support.

Agreed. Just as I discovered SaidIt via the TinFoilHat and the other podcasts, we can reach out to media and "influencers".

We'd need some kind of promo package so everyone isn't doing it ad hoc.

Agreed!!!!! I know I've done my own ad hoc for SaidIt, some better than others. I love branding and marketing. I used to like advertising but now don't. I would love to work on this as it's in my wheelhouse, but I won't ever just go it alone because I recognize that I get verbose, I have flaws, and of course EVERYTHING creative is always better with trusted external feedback and improvement.

If we can allow tax deductions for crypto that would be awesome.

Great idea. Setting up some cooperative orgs would be good too. Since everyone is anon but me, and I'm willing, I can do it but I'm shit at accounting stuff. If I did my taxes for the last 10 years I might be able to get a few grand back. Maybe it's time.

Some people need to sell or donate at a loss on purpose to avoid taxes.

I have some collectible stuff. Nothing stands our as being worth a lot, but in the entirely it could add up. If I could hire someone to sell it all on eBay or whatever then I could give them half and use the remainder to invest in all this stuff. I started /s/FleaMarket to eventually share my external posts of interest. Perhaps someone here might even be interested in some of it.

Not sure what we would need to qualify. Can we organize as a church, charitable organization, or NGO? The Cassy Initiative has a nice ring to it.

I can do stuff from Windsor, Ontario, Canada. My means and attention span and business skills are extremely limited. Yet, if it's a creative production, then somehow I'm motivated to to make it all work out.

I can try pumping reddit for help, people mostly like me there and a lot of old drunks know me.

Good to know. Don't mention it and hold off asking until we have concrete plans. We don't want to lose the edge of novelty nor do we want to seem uncertain. When we pave a road map our priority destinations should solidify. Once the fundamentals are up we can take all the time we want and smell the flowers along the way.

janitorial [vs] editorial [and opinion] moderation

Excellent nutshell!

My only caveat is, who judges what is janitorial vs editorial? Why not try to offer folks (admittedly flawed) options rather than (worse) all or nothing?

[–]Dinosaurysus 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

My only caveat is, who judges what is janitorial vs editorial? Why not try to offer folks (admittedly flawed) options rather than (worse) all or nothing?

By Janitorial I mean removing spam, putting things into their proper categories, things like that rather than trying to influence the direction conversations take.

I have a headache, I'll have to look this over later.

[–]LarrySwinger2 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Due to personal problems, I haven't been able to spend as much time on this as would've been preferable. I'm looking for a way to get this done faster. But this still has my full support and I'm still working on it. Just be a bit more patient when it comes to the things you're expecting from me, please. And we should stay in touch about this. Without Session is fine by me, then we'll PM here.

Your post makes it seem like there is no server, and no MediaWiki in your local network. But we did set those up. Are you making use of it at all? You never updated me on that.

If you want someone else to work on the webapps that I set up, they need to be familiar with Docker, because that's what I use. That what you understood to be a nonstandard installation location. (They're actually containers, which are similar to virtual machines inside which the apps are running.)

You keep on bringing long-term goals into this, such as MetaVote, but isn't that more apt for /s/PhoenixForum? Same goes for the code bounty. This is about setting up software that's already available, right?

The thing about using a dedicated sub for this project is that everything is neatly organized in one place, but the downside is that there's less visibility. I have an idea. How about we x-post things from this sub in /s/DecentralizeAllThings, and things from /s/PhoenixForum in /s/Internet? Perhaps not for all posts, but major ones. I'm doing it for this post.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

I just realized this wasn't a PM. I won't tell if you don't.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

You never updated me on that.

It's all in the Session chat and my last PM with you. Zero progress this week. Zero wiki, zero anything. As on my Win7 box, the wiki should auto-start upon reboot. Currently it does not, even after 2 reboots. Also, I can say we have a server but it doesn't matter if there's nothing to show for it. I'm not ready to share admin of it to others. I haven't given up on you, but I'm also keeping my eyes open for other help. Funny that just before my post TAM had PMed me that she was realizing that with M7s absence a new forum might be needed.

Assuming you weren't active on it I just now took the liberty of rebooting Cassandra. I also checked the IP and network ID thing to see if it had somehow changed. It had not.

If this reboot doesn't work then we can troubleshoot Cassandra live via Session, or slower in these PMs.

Just be a bit more patient when it comes to the things you're expecting from me, please. And we should stay in touch about this.

Trust me, I'm trying. When I hear nothing for a week it's very demotivating. When we don't even have a wiki or forum up after 2 months, it's paralyzing. I can dream the world, but I don't think I've actually asked for much. Only 4 things were pressing. We only ever got 1 server and half a wiki.

With the wiki up and accessible to the world I can invite others to help. Same with Lenny. And perhaps even with your phpBB if you like. All of this would be in preparation before any large announcement. Link as you like with trusted folks, but do not make any grand announcements. We only have one chance for a grand reveal and first impression upon the world. We can't half-ass it when we do. I honestly want to spend an entire month or more on prepping for a grand launch.

I don't know anything about Docker or webapps. Yes, "containers" is the better word.

Partially yes, long-term goals can be PhoenixForum and MetaVote vaporware stuff (and by introducing those strange concepts I may unnecessarily complicating things) but I think 2 concepts are critical to convey to include the most people's participation possible: 4 fundamental accessibility levels + anon participation solutions. I only expect the hard core and geeky to be early adopters, but this is for the long haul and the future of forever. Unlike M7 who never shared his vision of the future, I may be overcompensating, but I also think that laying out a roadmap can give some people hope, anticipation, motivation, and drive, rather than just being dragged along wherever.

Now specifically for our purposes, having a way to categorize users with the "First Proposed Code Bounty: Tag-Label Filter" for lack of a good name, seems like the best way to avoid having to deal with moderation and censorship. People behave or they get demoted and thus filtered. If there are better ideas or ways or whatever I'm all ears. IMO playing whack-a-troll is a waste of time that could be used developing new tricks.

That user-filter thing is the only dream thing that stands out as being very important. Is it critical? No. You're correct on that, and yes, our immediate focus is about setting up software that's already available.

By presenting the code-bounty concept I'm also giving them food for thought, hopium if you will, and the idea that perhaps when we're organized they might be able to throw money at a problem to have it solved. I haven't asked for any money yet but I'm putting out feelers to see if anyone has interest in donating or even being a hired coder. Also, the nice thing about money is that you can have expectations and make demands without seeming pushy. That's the last thing I want to be.

Cross post as you see fit. I'm assuming you'll just post the url to link back and not the the body.