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[–]magnora7 4 insightful - 1 funny4 insightful - 0 funny5 insightful - 1 funny -  (2 children)

Fantastic post. You mentioned several problems that the glyphosate controversy ties in to, but let me add these on top of what you've already said:

  1. Not only the fact that cancerous glyphosate is in our food, but that our scientific establishments are prevented from researching this in various ways, through funding and through control of the publishing process at various scientific journals.

  2. The regulatory bodies that are supposed to ovesee Bayer/Monsanto are actually largely staffed by Bayer/Monsanto people, in a process called "Regulatory Capture". This is the reason the poison was legally allowed in the food in the first place. They wrote themselves their own loopholes. And passed it.

  3. Bayer/Monsanto's actions in the media to push false narratives. They're known to have groups of people who comb through reddit to push pro-Monsanto narratives and push votes in a way that makes them look correct. They get on the news all the time. All they have to do is throw some of their cash in the direction of the media company.

  4. The fact they're banned (and/or Glyphosate is banned) in many countries around the world. For a reason.

The fact we end up with poison in our food due to profit-seeking negligence absolutely sucks, but these deeper issues that allowed it to occur in the first place and linger for years and decades... will these deeper issues be fixed? Or will Monsanto simply change their name to Bayer and then phase out glyphosate and phase in another chemical, and pretend everything is all fixed, and never face any consequences or legal action?

Dozens of people should be going to prison for life over these things. But because of regulatory capture they have far too much sway over the legal and governmental system, which makes catching them so much more difficult. Which is what makes this recent cancer ruling so much more important. Even powerful companies like Bayer & Monsanto can only bend the narrative of reality so far before it catches up with them.

[–]i_cansmellthat[S] 3 insightful - 1 funny3 insightful - 0 funny4 insightful - 1 funny -  (1 child)

Not only the fact that cancerous glyphosate is in our food, but that our scientific establishments are prevented from researching this in various ways, through funding and through control of the publishing process at various scientific journals.

When did science sell out? Is it a human nature problem or are the scientists with clout placed in high levels of influence because they can be bought? A true scientist wants to find truth, and I'm fearful that those people have been silenced.

Regulatory capture makes me sad. The ones in power place those who wish to please in these mid to upper level management/authority positions and they just tow the line to maintain a lifestyle.

The fact they're banned (and/or Glyphosate is banned) in many countries around the world. For a reason.

Gonna work on a list of such countries, that just isn't talked about enough.

I just wonder, are we to blame? We post to forums and talk about it, but it obviously isn't enough. Being "woke" has to mean something more than being aware, after all if you are woke you need to make others aware. And if one is aware and they continue to let others take advantage of them, isn't a little of the blame on them? Maybe we are doing it wrong.... I really hate to be taken advantage of, and that is what is happening to me and you and a whole lot of other people. How long are we going to allow these parasites to bleed us? What do we need to change in order to stop this?

Rambling drunk post, we've been drinking since 3:00 PST here.....sorry if it's not so coherent. Thanks for this site magnora7, it is a long jump in the right direction.

[–]magnora7 3 insightful - 1 funny3 insightful - 0 funny4 insightful - 1 funny -  (0 children)

When did science sell out? Is it a human nature problem or are the scientists with clout placed in high levels of influence because they can be bought? A true scientist wants to find truth, and I'm fearful that those people have been silenced.

I think what happens is they hire scientists of all types, but only publish the work that makes the company look good. And if a scientist repeatedly has findings that don't help the company, they're fired. But for "objective" reasons that are largely fabricated. I've seen it happen more than once personally.

I think a lot of the countries that banned GMOs did it for this reason, that they're actually afraid of monsanto and glyphosate, not GMOs per-se.

I think what needs to change is we need to talk about this stuff and there has to be a world culture change with the new knowledge. People have to become wise to the tricks, so we stop being taken advantage of. I think internet culture is a big part of that. And I hope one day saidit can play a role, because modern reddit has dropped the ball.

[–]Alberto 3 insightful - 1 funny3 insightful - 0 funny4 insightful - 1 funny -  (1 child)

Look into how everyones lawn used to have clover and dandelions before the chem fert and roundup stuff came out. Now people buy 100's of dollars of fertilizer yearly, that shit sucks and "addicts" your lawn. Clover was actually ADDED to grass seed before bc it's drought tolerant, nitrogen fixing so you don't need fertilizer very much, and it keeps bee population happy. The chem people and roundup people told us dandelions and clover are weeds, they aren't!

[–]i_cansmellthat[S] 2 insightful - 1 funny2 insightful - 0 funny3 insightful - 1 funny -  (0 children)

We let the chem people tell us what was perfect and acceptable, so we killed it off with their product. I remember being little and picking dandelions and looking for four leaf clovers.

[–]FormosaOolong 2 insightful - 1 funny2 insightful - 0 funny3 insightful - 1 funny -  (1 child)

Great original post and comments. I would like to add that this is just one of countless poisons in our food, air and water. The number of pounds per year applied of glyphosate alone is shocking, but imagine what the stats are if we included all pesticides, herbicides, dessicants, and fumigants from farm to distribution.

I also find it highly suspect and worthy of consideration that the same companies manufacturing agricultural products specialize in bioweapons as well (2,4-D as one example.) I can only conclude that this is all part and parcel of agenda 21 or something similar.

[–]i_cansmellthat[S] 2 insightful - 1 funny2 insightful - 0 funny3 insightful - 1 funny -  (0 children)

Thanks!

I am afraid to play around with all of the "cides" or whatever is added to our food to find a total, that would be truly frightening. Add to that the plastic residue and emissions....

Speaking of pounds of glyphosate...in 1993 less than 4lbs/square mile were applied to agricultural areas in the US, in 2015 that number was 88.06lbs/square mile. I need to source these numbers, I wrote them in some notes and not sure which link cited them, but that increase is huge. I'm curious if recent testing on glyphosate in food can be compared to any testing performed when spraying wasn't so heavy. Will post if I find anything.

I can only conclude that this is all part and parcel of agenda 21 or something similar.

I agree, but sometimes I wonder if it's just greed. Maybe a mix of both.