The decay of ethics in a corporatocracy. The role of the working and high classes. by HibikiBlack in C_S_T

[–]horatioherbert 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There used to exist an understanding between fief and lord, you say?

Objection to Getting "swept away" (a post in s\C_S_T) by Marginotions in C_S_T

[–]magnora7 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Fair enough. I do appreciate you using my previous article as a jumping-off point.

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[–]Marginotions[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The post is not about politics at all.

That's ok, my post wasn't about mindfulness or inactions, or whatever yours was about. I shoehorned my ideas into my own post, and yours was the starting point. I still object to the subject because we all take a subjective attitude by reflex.

Objection to Getting "swept away" (a post in s\C_S_T) by Marginotions in C_S_T

[–]magnora7 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Perhaps. Isn't action through inaction just another way to get swept away by a type of behavior and thinking though?

"certain narratives" is another way to say identity politics

Uh no, that's not at all what I was saying, you're shoehorning my ideas in to a political framework for no reason. I simply mean narratives. Like yours right now. And mine right now.

You seem to be unable to view this issue outside the political lens you've chosen. When in fact the post is not about politics at all.

Why are "Republicans Planning Historic Sell-Off of Federal Lands"? by Marginotions in C_S_T

[–]hennaojichan 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

The end of the United States? Get it while you can.

Getting "swept away" by magnora7 in C_S_T

[–]Marginotions 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Objection overruled, comment moved to post

[X-Post /r/C_S_T] Slavery is the permanent loss of any freedom, not a quality of life, and most people are ok with slavery as long as quality of life is high enough. by happysmash27 in C_S_T

[–]lmaonope333 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

is it still slavery if you can opt out beforehand? also, in this situation, I might still choose freedom. I was raised in a very restrictive environment and I greatly value my independence. although to he fair, working 9-5 isnt really a free life either.

If you are an American, there is a yearly 0.005% chance you will kill someone. If you are an American cop, there is a yearly 0.125% chance you will kill someone. A cop is 25x more likely to kill someone than a random American is. by magnora7 in C_S_T

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I once had a conversation with retired cop. He said that in his town, the cops were part of the community. After dark, the cops would sit in their car with the lights on so the kids in the town could play basketball. In large cities, cops usually dont know the communities they are policing. In small towns, theres more accountability because if a cop fucks up bad they'll be shunned from their community

Besides making people lose their ability to focus on the problems of society, I think the elites want people to become addicted to the different distractions present in the media and culture. by HibikiBlack in C_S_T

[–]Blank-chan 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I can sadly believe that honestly. People get distracted by outrage culture and cancel culture, meanwhile the real problems are getting worse and worse in the real world.

If you are an American, there is a yearly 0.005% chance you will kill someone. If you are an American cop, there is a yearly 0.125% chance you will kill someone. A cop is 25x more likely to kill someone than a random American is. by magnora7 in C_S_T

[–]bobbobbybob 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

not really.

100X is getting significant, but 25 is only an order of magnitude greater. just one. given the nature of the work, that's bugger all.

Compare to the chances of being bled on between normies and nurses.

If you are an American, there is a yearly 0.005% chance you will kill someone. If you are an American cop, there is a yearly 0.125% chance you will kill someone. A cop is 25x more likely to kill someone than a random American is. by magnora7 in C_S_T

[–]bobbobbybob 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

25x higher is not much higher. that's not even 102 difference.

How many people spend each day seeking out engagements with criminals and then tying to make said criminals stop their criminal behaviour?

If you are an American, there is a yearly 0.005% chance you will kill someone. If you are an American cop, there is a yearly 0.125% chance you will kill someone. A cop is 25x more likely to kill someone than a random American is. by magnora7 in C_S_T

[–]bobbobbybob 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

is that all?

Given the preponderance of armed criminality in the US, I'd have thought the chance far higher. Is there a 'weapons fired' to 'death' ratio?

If you are an American, there is a yearly 0.005% chance you will kill someone. If you are an American cop, there is a yearly 0.125% chance you will kill someone. A cop is 25x more likely to kill someone than a random American is. by magnora7 in C_S_T

[–]magnora7[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's a fair point, but I still found the data concerning. If there were more consequences when police abuse their power, then the rates probably wouldn't be so high.

If you are an American, there is a yearly 0.005% chance you will kill someone. If you are an American cop, there is a yearly 0.125% chance you will kill someone. A cop is 25x more likely to kill someone than a random American is. by magnora7 in C_S_T

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It doesn't surprise me that police kill more people than people who do not have to confront and handle violent behavior. Other stuff you've said about problems with policing has been more compelling to me, like the comparison to other places that are more successful in policing effectively with lower mortality rate for the criminals.

If you are an American, there is a yearly 0.005% chance you will kill someone. If you are an American cop, there is a yearly 0.125% chance you will kill someone. A cop is 25x more likely to kill someone than a random American is. by magnora7 in C_S_T

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doesn't America have demographics more similar to Brazil than to Western Europe?

If you are an American, there is a yearly 0.005% chance you will kill someone. If you are an American cop, there is a yearly 0.125% chance you will kill someone. A cop is 25x more likely to kill someone than a random American is. by magnora7 in C_S_T

[–]magnora7[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Just came up with this analysis on my own, kind of eye-opening.

Funny how police from other developed countries do not have similar stats.

American police are exceptionally violent, closer to Brazil in per-capita police violence rates, than to Western Europe. I think this is a situation that can be fixed, but people have to want it to be fixed

Covid-19: A Pandemic of Fear by Jac0b777 in C_S_T

[–]Jac0b777[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thank you! I'm glad you found it insightful :)

Covid-19: A Pandemic of Fear by Jac0b777 in C_S_T

[–]FormosaOolong 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Epic and beautiful essay. So many key points and pith instructions offered with precision and elegance. I will point everyone I know to this, thank you.

Getting "swept away" by magnora7 in C_S_T

[–]SierraKiloBravo 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Awesome!

Getting "swept away" by magnora7 in C_S_T

[–]Robin 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It takes a special kind of "sapiens" to confuse black with white. I think the topic is an important one, which is why I tried to focus #750 on it. A related dichotomy is between acting according to ones feelings and sense data as opposed to acting according to abstract mental models including ideas such as "patriotic duty" and "profit/loss"...

Getting "swept away" by magnora7 in C_S_T

[–]magnora7[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks for sharing. Interesting to compare the two types of thinking like this. I would almost say it really boils down to a different way to divide the brain, the cortex (logical clear thinking) vs the limbic system (emotional thinking). People let their limbic system (also called the "lizard brain" because this structure is also in reptiles while the cortex is only in mammals) take over their mind. It's deeply rooted both behaviorally and evolutionarily, which is why its mental pull is so hard to escape without a high amount of diligence

Getting "swept away" by magnora7 in C_S_T

[–]Robin 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

To me this rings some bells with the difference between "left-brain" (logical, limited) thinking and "right-brain" (bigger picture, more cosmic) thinking. I use those labels less for their anatomical precision (since almost everything we do does involve both hemispheres to some extent) than to identify two polar opposites. I tried (and mostly failed) to elucidate on this towards the end of Unwelcome Guests # 750. Got swept away by reviewing the historical evidence of The Supranationa1 Deep State, and didn't spend long enough on the weakness of the human mind which allows such a group to hide in plain sight. Rather than the unwieldy 750, http://www.unwelcomeguests.net/537 or http://www.unwelcomeguests.net/652 are a better way into brain (mal-)functioning and its implications for society and the self...

Getting "swept away" by magnora7 in C_S_T

[–]FormosaOolong 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, please do this.

Getting "swept away" by magnora7 in C_S_T

[–]magnora7[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

:) thanks.

Check out my archive of articles at www.reddit.com/r/magnora7/top/

I should move the archive over to saidit now that I think of it

Getting "swept away" by magnora7 in C_S_T

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 4 fun1 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Noah was...

Actually, everyone around Noah was.

Getting "swept away" by magnora7 in C_S_T

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This is how narrative magic works. You change your part in the story by changing your behavior, allowing you to control your narrative outside the larger noosphere. Changing behavior requires controlling your own thoughts, often through visualized meditations. When I finish mine, I always feel like I exited time for a moment.

Getting "swept away" by magnora7 in C_S_T

[–]SierraKiloBravo 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I like this, MOARRR

Getting "swept away" by magnora7 in C_S_T

[–]magnora7[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Sure, we can be swept away by wisdom just as thoroughly as we can be swept away by nonsense. That's why we have to watch our mind closely, and watch what it does.

Getting "swept away" by magnora7 in C_S_T

[–]Jesus 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Can you be swept away by God?

Getting "swept away" by magnora7 in C_S_T

[–]magnora7[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks.

The sub name comes from the www.reddit.com/r/C_S_T and the "critical shower thoughts" came from a sub called "shower thoughts" that was great and was very popular on reddit but eventually ended up banning certain types of ideas in their sub, and so C_S_T was formed in reaction to that. And despite all odds, it's one of the few good places left on reddit. I recommend it if you like big ideas and clear thinking. Check out some of the top posts of all time on that subreddit, there's some great stuff there.

Getting "swept away" by magnora7 in C_S_T

[–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

This is an interesting and comprehensive synopses, bro.

Sub: Critical Shower Thoughts:

Must have been a long shower... ;-)

Getting "swept away" by magnora7 in C_S_T

[–]magnora7[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I find it hard to write about, because it is such a simple thing

I agree. It is like a fish understanding it is in water. To realize that, it might have to experience being out of the water.

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[–]FormosaOolong 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'd go so far to say this is an essential topic. Once we start to wake up to the clarity and openness of our innate intelligence, beyond (yet including) logic and reason, concepts, thoughts, emotions, sensations, we start to know ourselves as we really are. An open kind of intelligence that transcends yet includes (got that phrase from Ken Wilber.)

I love how you've recognized these storylines as the genesis and substantiation of an ego construct--a thing to align with that really has nothing much to do with our real self at all. What's interesting to me is how our true nature, our comprehensive intelligence, remains whether we are thinking or not thinking, doing or not doing, etc. It's that clear, alert, bright power to know. Not What is known, not a thing, just the power to know, the sort of space in which and through which everything arises and vanishes naturally.

I find it hard to write about, because it is such a simple thing, yet it is complicated greatly by the way our minds have been abused by millennia of miseducation. But it is as far as I'm concerned the one thing we would all benefit from if we were to all turn our attention to this.

Getting "swept away" by magnora7 in C_S_T

[–]magnora7[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks. I'm glad stuff like this finds an audience on saidit because I think these are important topics.

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[–]FormosaOolong 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Excellent invitation to recognize the nature of mind.

Getting "swept away" by magnora7 in C_S_T

[–]magnora7[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I wrote this yesterday here: https://www.reddit.com/r/C_S_T/comments/gesz9m/getting_swept_away/

I thought you all might enjoy it too.

I think It's up to us to become a reliable enough source for the people around us when it comes to dealing with the problems that have become part of society. by HibikiBlack in C_S_T

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I agree with OP title and think it's a decent way to think about it. "reliable enough source for the people around us when dealing with the problems we find around us."

a bit vague maybe, idk, but it's a good thought I think.

The Golden Age isn't in the past, it starts now. by philandy in C_S_T

[–]solar 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

imo the golden age will start when hopefully we rise up and make the world a cleaner, safer place without the grasp of rich people

If you truly value your home and the people around you, then you have a responsibility to reach the top of the power scale. by HibikiBlack in C_S_T

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Power scale? It's not about power but love.

The scientific method as a way of investigating reality. Post Modernism and the corruption of academic institutions and rethoric. by HibikiBlack in C_S_T

[–]la_cues 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Hear, hear.

Use all different methods of study for a more rounded approach and gain all possible knowledge/angles/thoughts about a subject.

Don't limit yourself by the limits of one thought process. This limits freethinking and exploration.

Discern your own thoughts from all that you learn and observe.

Sensorial over-stimulation conspiracy theory. How people in society are exposed to stimulating facts and information to keep them depressed. by HibikiBlack in C_S_T

[–]Reddit_sucks_dick 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, and TV ads are designed to be as annoying as possible with screeching, shouting, flashing bright lites, etc to dull the sensibilities of the watching hoi polloi.

It’s fine looking for the company and approval of others in order to validate one’s own perception. But people shouldn’t become a slave to what other people think either. by HibikiBlack in C_S_T

[–]philandy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's almost always in the systems and frameworks, like the Open Space platform leverages both management and individuality better than standard business practices.

The Golden Age isn't in the past, it starts now. by philandy in C_S_T

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If I had USD$10 million, my own career choices would really matter. I've also heard that magnitude is about where quality of life starts to be fine. I'd likely go the Brewster's Millions line of $30 million or higher with your point (which kind of makes me sad - a decade ago $5 million would've been fine).

I also just read baby boomers tend to spend now and won't be giving much inheritance. I actually prefer this because of your point; the money is not, at least so much, with the lazy.

The Golden Age isn't in the past, it starts now. by philandy in C_S_T

[–]magnora7 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No problem. I like these C_S_T posts and I think they deserve more discussion.

So can you elaborate on an easy economy tempered with overworked people?

Imagine you have 10 million dollars. Your career choices don't really matter that much and you will still have a just fine quality of life. Many baby boomers experienced a very easy economy, that basically allowed them to rest on their haunches. Then when things actually start going bad, like in 2008, they don't know what to do and aren't prepared, despite having many opportunities to prepare. Abundance makes many people intellectually lazy.

The Golden Age isn't in the past, it starts now. by philandy in C_S_T

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Thanks for the bolstering words, and I understand it's not that simple which is why I expanded on it.

So can you elaborate on an easy economy tempered with overworked people?

The Golden Age isn't in the past, it starts now. by philandy in C_S_T

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Critique regarding people: recently people seem to not engage at all, no matter the subject. This seems to be a growing issue in my area, and may not reflect people generally.

I think this is true, and happens when the economy is too easy for too long. People get lazy because they do not see the need (nor really is there one) to pay attention to all the complexities of the world, and most people are overworked and underslept and tired as heck, so they don't devote mental cycles to anything outside their immediate life, as a self-preservation method.

The media is definitely corporate-owned and trying to influence our minds constantly.

You're probably right about the central bank, although governments can create crashes too, both with inflation and deflation. But the government shouldn't be in trillions of dollars of debt to a private entity, that's the real problem. Because then it's not free to make decisions, but instead has to follow the commands of the people owed trillions.

Freeing Earth - Solutions for a Better World by Jac0b777 in C_S_T

[–]Jac0b777[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well, the C_S_T subreddit on Reddit that I've been a part of for many years has always been more essay than shower-thought like (despite the title of the sub), so I am posting with that in mind, despite this being SaidIt :)

Which comes first? The inner solutions will always come first, out of which awareness is primary. From being aware, then one can guide one's creative impetus, dissolve the pain and limitation within, as well as guide one's inner world and visualize one's desired reality or simply play with creative visualization. Your comment related to consciously directed day-dreaming fits in there as well, of course :)

The right and left division as a Hegelian Dialectic. Bothering with it is usually a waste of time, what matters when judging a politician are his intentions and actions. by HibikiBlack in C_S_T

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So are there good uses for supporting the dialectic? Also, besides intentions and actions, a politician's record, money, cliques, and clout are equally important.

A more recent example of record is Mitt Romney, who claims to be conservative yet has no solid record of anything. A more recent example of money and clique is Hugo Chávez who had everything and lost it all, and ascribed an entire country to fairly strong socialism. A more recent example of clout is Kim Jong Un, while dictating a country considers himself a deity. Obviously, all countries have such examples like China who is rolling out a social clout economy of all things.

On leadership, why does there have to be any today? There's toolings for most anything, and platforms for most anything else. Sure leadership can be useful, however it's being used to a fault.

On a republic, I disagree. Republics don't work; Equity does. Capital "E" because that's what the US Bill of Rights leverages, as in prescient. Why has the US fallen into the trappings of a Republic, laws, when it has the foundations for a full nationwide Chancery Court? Two terms: checks and balances, leading to what equality really is about.

Perhaps the concept of a person in power is broken, as it is up to their whims that things are taken care of.

Freeing Earth - Solutions for a Better World by Jac0b777 in C_S_T

[–]philandy 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Seems a bit longer than a shower thought. Of these 13 things, have you had a shower thought about which comes first?

If I were to add to the list, it would be to practice dreaming. I have met no other person that realizes they can willfully day dream on their own, like dreaming is reserved for passive and boring times. I dream more, better, and sleep better, since I started to enjoy and practice dreaming in this way on my own. Also, instead of abusing it like daydreaming during boring meetings, try multitasking with it.

Besides making people lose their ability to focus on the problems of society, I think the elites want people to become addicted to the different distractions present in the media and culture. by HibikiBlack in C_S_T

[–]philandy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You mean professional news, not news. Sort of like the difference between professional wrestling and wrestling?

Besides making people lose their ability to focus on the problems of society, I think the elites want people to become addicted to the different distractions present in the media and culture. by HibikiBlack in C_S_T

[–]philandy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Or what you might mean is, if you've seen or read them...Brave New World first, then 1984 as a backup.

Would it be okay if I broke down your conjecture?

  • How have you seen people lose their ability to focus? I have seen some intend to act then not be able to, on the immediacy level.
  • Who or what would you describe as the elites? And what would your alternative be? I personally would not change the foundations at all, yet, and I'm not happy that successful efforts have been and are being leveraged against what I'm referring to now.
  • What constitutes addiction? I would say it would be using something in a non-controlled way for negative purpose, like drinking ethanol instead of using it as fuel.
  • What constitutes a distraction? I prefer the term veil, as in the tactic. Is this what you meant? A useful alternative is a properly sortable archive and a revision system like git.
  • How are people living more stressful lives? I only see people letting their inner demons, as featured in the movie Click (or on Jerry), run their lives. I wouldn't call that stressful, just foolish.
  • Can you elaborate on how the design promotes working for them? It looks more like a way to kind of skewer people's lives to a razor thin margin. There is an easy solution to this.
  • Hedonism, family, and time management? I'm unsure the scope of this conjecture. My current model is to be able to drop something on a dime if necessary, so lots of prep (not as in prepperism).

The Time to Awaken Is Now by Jac0b777 in C_S_T

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<3

The Time to Awaken Is Now by Jac0b777 in C_S_T

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Thank you, your openness and heart-vow is a gift to this planet and humanity.

Besides making people lose their ability to focus on the problems of society, I think the elites want people to become addicted to the different distractions present in the media and culture. by HibikiBlack in C_S_T

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They do, that's always been the point. That's why we see Trump saying something dumb or wearing something stupid during a time of hardship. It is all by design, to create outrage and dstraction. Much of it is theater. You see all these fake shootings, the left blaming the right, the right the left. If they were real, which they are not, none of this rhetoric would exist. Both sides further the agenda of centralization and control.

REMEMBER, Trump's task was to become the faux antagonsit of the media. That we continue to trust the media (whatever side you may choose) that we beleive the media is a priority, if not, THE PRIORITY. Even if you hate the media, you are still under its spell if you believe anything that is coming out of national news is true. Once you understand that almost everything is theater and PSYOPs, the state we are in today becoems much easier to understand.

A shooting happened, you have the left news saying it was a white male and the right media saying it was black person.


Do this, google one big news story . Read the headliens of the left leaning news and the right leaning news for each sotry. Obtain as many headlines as you can get. You'll see that both sides are playing a dialectic. Pretending to oppose each other, confusing the narrative with conflict. This all becomes obvious if you do this.

Besides making people lose their ability to focus on the problems of society, I think the elites want people to become addicted to the different distractions present in the media and culture. by HibikiBlack in C_S_T

[–]magnora7 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think you are right. And I think they keep learning to tighten the thumbscrews a little slower after each revolution throughout history.

However their greed always seems to get away from them, and it results in situations like hong kong and france, and the many other countries seeing mass protests in the last year or two

Besides seeking control of the media. The people in power make people constantly distracted and busy. Remember to always train your ability to remain focused. by HibikiBlack in C_S_T

[–]mcaylah 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes! This exactly. TPTB have us so addicted to instant gratification and so distracted that it takes real concerted effort to learn focus. Where thought goes energy flows. Imagine how we could change things if we took 10 minutes a day to contemplate and focus on increasing love and kindness in our society?

Compilation of Holocaust denial arguments and how self-victimization strategy works. by HibikiBlack in C_S_T

[–]Censored_Scrotum 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No. It's a bad ideas to let your opposition set the term of the debate.

Your position is that the Holocaust was a deceit. Why would you play by the rules of those whose intent is to deceive.

You need to use different language that is intended to point out the factual contradictions.

This is more difficult to accomplish, when you use words/phrases that have been manipulated to have secondary meanings.

Holocaust "denier" is one of these phrases.

Compilation of Holocaust denial arguments and how self-victimization strategy works. by HibikiBlack in C_S_T

[–]HibikiBlack[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Don't you think that moderating language and/or what terms to use could also be a way of giving in?

Compilation of Holocaust denial arguments and how self-victimization strategy works. by HibikiBlack in C_S_T

[–]Censored_Scrotum 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

so I use whatever terms I feel like using.

Unfortunately, Holocaust denial is their term. You're using their narrative and terms to define your position.

Using the opposition's terms of debate is a losing strategy.

Compilation of Holocaust denial arguments and how self-victimization strategy works. by HibikiBlack in C_S_T

[–]HibikiBlack[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't follow the mainstream narratives, so I use whatever terms I feel like using.

Compilation of Holocaust denial arguments and how self-victimization strategy works. by HibikiBlack in C_S_T

[–]Censored_Scrotum 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Compilation of Holocaust denial arguments

You may want to rephrase that first part to something like "compilation of evidence refuting the official account of the the Holocaust".

Holocaust denial is a negative term.

The Jewish role in the German communist revolution of 1919, The Treaty of Versailles and The Munich agreement. by HibikiBlack in C_S_T

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They were very much against National Socialism and Hitler, though there were many Jews that fought with the Germans and were close to Hitler.

It was basically Rome vs. Jews all over again. If you look at what the National Socialists promoted it was named positive Christianity, with Pagan elements, like Rome. They were very much against international Jewry, and knew of the threat of Bolshevism, which was fronted by atheistic Jews.

Both sides commited horrible attrocities. But we only hear about the nazis, why? Because the Bolsheviks are here, in the US.

[X-Post /r/C_S_T] Slavery is the permanent loss of any freedom, not a quality of life, and most people are ok with slavery as long as quality of life is high enough. by happysmash27 in C_S_T

[–]sodasplash 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don’t know that the levels would be this clear cut but I 100% back the popularizing of something along these lines.

In any case, I certainly agree that most see:

Quality Of Life > “Slavery” (?)

[X-Post /r/C_S_T] Slavery is the permanent loss of any freedom, not a quality of life, and most people are ok with slavery as long as quality of life is high enough. by happysmash27 in C_S_T

[–]magnora7 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Interesting post. A few months ago I had the idea to make a "levels of freedom chart" like this, and you reminded me of it:

Level 0: Actual slavery

Level 1: Debt slavery

Level 2: Wage slavery

Level 3: Slavery to social pressure

Level 4: Slavery to one's own moods and feelings

Level 5: Slavery to one's own ego (I define ego as the story you tell yourself, about yourself)

Level 6: ??

The exact process by which currency is created and manipulated is not generally well understood, but might be the most important aspect of maintaining cabal power. How currency is actually created. (Repost of /u/letsbebuns) by HibikiBlack in C_S_T

[–]Intuit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You mention eliminating currency, but currency is also a means of calculation, to allow the market to determine what things to produce when there is a trade-off (see "the calculation problem").

Also, I've heard distinction between currency (the thing that moves around in the short-term) and money (a long-term store of value). In the early 1900s the USA's dollar was backed (and redeemable) in gold, so the gold was the money, and the paper notes (claims) were the currency.

Scarce materials are good for money because of the difficulty in creating more at far less cost than they are worth. Fiat currency is destructive because it can be created at little to no cost, giving the creator the equivalent ability to steal from others as a counterfeiter.

Debt-based currency is fine as long as the market can decide on currency and devalue ones based on excessive risk and inflation. When it's all forced to be treated the same and the costs forced on people via taxes, and competition literally confiscated/imprisoned, then you have a problem. Banks making risky decisions would also be fine if nobody stepped in to insure them if they failed; people depositing would be picky about which bank they used.

Some toy manufacturer should create a transgender transformer. by Tom_Bombadil in C_S_T

[–]Oof_Too_Humid 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Could be a boring toy.
To be transgender, a man only has to say "I'm a woman", and voila! -- he's a woman. No sex change necessary. No medical treatment needed. Suddenly a free pass to walk into battered women's shelters or women's changing rooms at the gym. Hey, let's let that rapist put in for a transfer to the women's prison because now he says he's a woman. Because...rights! I'm looking forward to the Olympics. I can't wait to see people's reactions as they watch men winning many of the women's medals. Then they can enjoy it even more when their daughter excels in high school track and field but loses a college scholarship to a boy who competes as a girl. Fun times.

This is how people are owned: A small world of freedom, seated within a larger universe of control. by magnora7 in C_S_T

[–]magnora7[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Fair points, fair points.

This is how people are owned: A small world of freedom, seated within a larger universe of control. by magnora7 in C_S_T

[–]useless_aether 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

he is also protecting the fed and he is also against jfk conspiracy theories. just sayin'..

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knows how a lot of power control structures work

why is that? how come? more fishiness!

This is how people are owned: A small world of freedom, seated within a larger universe of control. by magnora7 in C_S_T

[–]magnora7[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There is a lot of stupid stuff out there though that has nothing to do with truth, but I don't think Noam Chomsky is one of them, especially his books from the 80s and 90s, which I've quoted here.

No one is the arbiter of truth. Chomsky is just a smart guy who knows how a lot of power control structures work but won't talk honestly about 9/11 because he works for MIT. So what, no one is perfect. He's far from a "false prophet", he's just not perfect.

This is how people are owned: A small world of freedom, seated within a larger universe of control. by magnora7 in C_S_T

[–]useless_aether 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

watch out! tptb always knew all this and so they proactively booby-trapped the external mental landscape for those rebels venturing past the overton window with occultism, pseudo sciences, false religions and false prophets (goethe: an occultist, chomsky: controlled opposition). .. that is the larger universe of control.

WTH is this sub? CST stands for? by RavAshi in C_S_T

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

People not having an idea of what happens behind politics isn't a coincidence, It's the result of CIA brainwashing and propaganda. by HibikiBlack in C_S_T

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false. -CIA Director William Casey

People not having an idea of what happens behind politics isn't a coincidence, It's the result of CIA brainwashing and propaganda. by HibikiBlack in C_S_T

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

noble lie

The Jewish role in the Russian Communist revolution. by HibikiBlack in C_S_T

[–]wizzwizz4 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

But I'm not a paid Israeli shill. The worst you could accuse me of is having been brainwashed.

Blocking me just means that you can't argue against what I'm saying, so what I'm writing seems unopposed. That's probably not what you want.

The Jewish role in the Russian Communist revolution. by HibikiBlack in C_S_T

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

blocked for being a paid israeli shill

The Jewish role in the Russian Communist revolution. by HibikiBlack in C_S_T

[–]wizzwizz4 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Really? I thought it was being not in-the-know.

The Jewish role in the Russian Communist revolution. by HibikiBlack in C_S_T

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

not being in the bank at all is like not being on earth at all in this analogy

The Jewish role in the Russian Communist revolution. by HibikiBlack in C_S_T

[–]wizzwizz4 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What if you weren't in the bank at all? Even if somebody had randomly emailed you saying "don't come into the bank", you still wouldn't be culpable.

Compilation of Holocaust denial arguments and how self-victimization strategy works. by HibikiBlack in C_S_T

[–]Alduin 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Sold out to who?

I saw this exact thing happening. He spammed every major subverse with a wall of text like this. At first it was an annoyance, but he persisted. Gradually over time he managed to filter out the entire userbase until it resembled the current one.

I don't for one second believe he actually believes what he's saying. He converted no one. He made a home (honeypot) for racists and they filled it. That's what happened.

The people of the elites have effectively destroyed the level of discourse both online and offline. The knowledge related to how our nations are being run should be accessible to everyone and not just a select few. by HibikiBlack in C_S_T

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i think the internet was only free for like a decade or so because they wanted people to state their own free thoughts which could then be used against them later in the present, we see a lot of people getting in trouble for jokes they made like a decade ago.

Sure Sign and Coming of the Resurrection by Demiurgent in C_S_T

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if it's pretty close but still not perfect it's still not really you. A clone wouldn't be you. It'd be like an identical twin, same DNA but different person.

Compilation of Holocaust denial arguments and how self-victimization strategy works. by HibikiBlack in C_S_T

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

don't tryt to use fear and make him an unperson. voat sucks cuz they sold out

The Jewish role in the Russian Communist revolution. by HibikiBlack in C_S_T

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

if a bystandewr in bank not guilty. but if then after the robbery cops ask you questions like what did the robbers look like and you refuse to help, guilty.

Compilation of Holocaust denial arguments and how self-victimization strategy works. by HibikiBlack in C_S_T

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

The Jewish role in the Russian Communist revolution. by HibikiBlack in C_S_T

[–]wizzwizz4 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What if you're a bystander in the bank? Still guilty? Your analogy makes no sense. There aren't hundreds of get-away drivers in a bank robbery. It's a small group of people robbing a bank; not a few tens of millions.

The Jewish role in the Russian Communist revolution. by HibikiBlack in C_S_T

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

if you don't speak out you're guilty like a wheel man in a bank robbery

Compilation of Holocaust denial arguments and how self-victimization strategy works. by HibikiBlack in C_S_T

[–]Voracious_Observer 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

The majority of these "facts" are as selectively picked. Additionally you began this entire essay with a fallacy that I've never heard anybody say - that ALL Germans were involved. You decided to ignore large swaths of information, some from the Nazis documents themselves.

The most suspect aspect of this entire essay is your motives behind it. People did die. Many did. The stories of the Nazis atrocities expand far beyond simply the treatment of the Jews or on the German land. It seems more like you're attempting to whitewash history in favor of the poor tortured SS soldiers instead of truly investigating the claims and finding the legitimate inconsistencies and false propaganda, which certainly exists and is worth informing ourselves of.

The Jewish role in the Russian Communist revolution. by HibikiBlack in C_S_T

[–]wizzwizz4 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This isn't consistent. Jews are humans. Therefore, by your logic, if humans don't speak out then that's tacit agreement and means it's financed by all of those humans.

Obviously, you'll come up with a way of weaselling out of this with something that makes so little sense that I can't even argue against it, but at least I tried.


I'm also going to point out that you don't have evidence of who financed it; you're guessing that they were Jewish but your evidence, even when taken at face value, is just as easily explained by a framing.

Compilation of Holocaust denial arguments and how self-victimization strategy works. by HibikiBlack in C_S_T

[–]wizzwizz4 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

If the Germans truly wanted to commit […]

This sentence implies that you – Oh this is really well-written. Congratulations. I'm going to have to try hard to challenge you!

Compilation of Holocaust denial arguments and how self-victimization strategy works. by HibikiBlack in C_S_T

[–]wizzwizz4 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Not another MartinTimothy? :-( Please make a post on /s/Saidit about this, so the admins know.

The Jewish role in the Russian Communist revolution. by HibikiBlack in C_S_T

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Financed by some Jews doesn't mean Jew-financed,

yeah it does and if any don't speak out that is tacit agreement

Compilation of Holocaust denial arguments and how self-victimization strategy works. by HibikiBlack in C_S_T

[–]Alduin 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Don't miss the forest for the trees here. This is Amalek and he knows almost nobody is going to read this wall of text. This is for spamming, not information. He's trying to do exactly the same thing he did to Voat.

Compilation of Holocaust denial arguments and how self-victimization strategy works. by HibikiBlack in C_S_T

[–]HibikiBlack[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I never said all kills happened by gassing. All I said was that there was somewhat of a consensus that a lot of killings happened by gassing, which isn't true.

Compilation of Holocaust denial arguments and how self-victimization strategy works. by HibikiBlack in C_S_T

[–]wizzwizz4 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Not all holocaust deaths (in the "official" narrative, which is far from official) were caused by gassing. That's just a popcult belief.

Make sure you're handling this topic sensitively. You were at first, but it kind of devolved as you were writing this.