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[–]_Moon_ 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

And part of human nature is that men have evolved to rape and kill and that, forced to choose, they would rather be able to hurt women than to not be oppressed themselves. Imho, you cannot explain why Marx' predictions were so utterly false if you do not take this into consideration. At the end of the day, being able to hurt and dominate women is more important for men than not being oppressed by men with higher status. Without this, you cannot explain why a tiny minority (of "kings", "aristocracts", capitalists, tribal chiefs, etc.) ruling over a subjugated majority is the standard in all of history.

Men are face down ass up in the dust before high status men. And as long as they are able to hurt and dominate women, tehy are perfectly OK with being the serf of a high-status man - no matter if that's Elon Musk or some tribal stoneage chief.

That's why they worship Russia so much and hate Sweden(?) of all things despite the fact that the objective living-standard of men in Sweden is much higher (yet...) than in Russia.

And historically, communism was very male, very macho. They even stylized themselves as more masculine as these limp-wristed bourgeoisie. Just like the capitalists used to present themselves as more masculine and macho than some powdered aristocracts. But the moment feminism came into play was the moment men immediately turned on the left again and/or only accepted it in its misogynistic form - with prostitution and torture porn and transsexuals and murdering TERFS and Karens etc.

Two last points:

The purpose of immigration and outsourcing are to increase competition among workers and to make strikes impossible. The more the merries: the more hungry peasants have to compete for jobs and apartments, the shittier wages and the higher rents they are forced to accept. This is also one of the main reasons why women's bodies have to be controlled: a ruling class wants as many soldiers and as many workers/peasants as possible. There is this ridiculous conspiracy that the "globalists" now plan to depopulate the world. But so far, the opposite has happened: so far, over the last, ~70 years since the end of WW 2 have they achieved EVERYTHING they wanted and became more powerful than ever before. The gap in living standard between a modern US billionaire and some poor fuck working a minimum-wage job in an Amazon warehouse is larger than the gap between a medieval Sun King and a peasant. And YET ... the ONLY Thing they have not achieved is that the population of the world has EXPLODED to almost 8 BILLION. They want it to have as full as possible because that means more competition among workers which makes it easier to exploit and blackmail them. The more there are, the more disposable they are. And they hate euthanasia.

Currently, however, are birth rates going down.

So I'm pretty sure what we will witness soon is removing the last few choices in regards to abortion women had. Noteworthy btw. how Trump was unable and/or unwilling to stop mass-immigration and outsourcing but the Republicans were semi-successful in making access to abortion harder and harder. Soon, they will probably tell us that abortion is an invention of those wicked white people which is genocidal or some shit like that. If you want to talk about overpopulation, you are always accused of being a racist anyway.

But if the world is overpopulated, we only have two choices: either complete destruction of all environment, turning it all into a desert with apartment blocks and streets and factories etc. OR only a tiny minority of super rich can afford comfortable bathtubs, the mobility provided by cars, traveling, etc. While the majority may eat bugs and live in cages. I guess we'll get climate lockdowns soon. The American/ized left wants to take cars away from teh working-class anyway.

So I think what we will witness over the next few years will be attempts to decrease abortion rights while promoting misery and poverty in the name of climate change. (Despite the fact that if the official theory re: climate change is true, the most pressing issue would be to promote birth control and the one-child family.)

Last point:

One of the illusions many people have that I believe will be destroyed over the next few years is the idea that Russia and China have any actual alternative to offer to the West. This is something you come across very often online from the far-right to the far-left: this idea that the US will fall and Russia and/or China will take its place and that things will be different then because these countries are so different.

This post is so long already that I do not want to write lengthy economic assessments of China now. But Russia is a corrupt shithole, China is a party dictatorship turning its own citizens into human robots so they can function in the "workbench of the West." You cannot explain the rise of China if you do not take into consideration that Western corporations have outsourced so many parts of their production to Chinese slave labor. There are people working 12-hour days for wages that can buy them a bowl of rice and a fried bat head. Leftists salivating over China are cringe AF. I actually know many right-wing dudes loving China, often having married Chinese women: they are often small-business owners, logisticians, or engineers who have worked in China for a while or outsourced production to it. A colleague of my father has outsourced his small business to China and he looooves how docile the workers there are. Elon Musk salivated over China, lol. No, they have no alternative to offer.

But this is an illusion I believe will only shatter over the next few years, no matter what I write here.

The US Empire will rule the world, basically. All this talk about the US being "divided" and "weak" is propaganda to hide the fact that they are ruling more supreme than even. The only two major countries left that are semi-independent are Russia and China. The former is falling apart right now and not being able to sell gas to Germany, the later is the workbench of the West.

And just like most people opposing transgenderism oppose it for all the wrong reasons do most people opposing Trump oppose him for the wrong reasons: because he has not been aggressive against Russia - one of the last countries independent from the US, with independent natural resources and capital - ENOUGH. This whole talk about the "weak and divided" US is imperialist propaganda. I WISH they were that divided. But there is hardly any independent country left. And now a tiny clique of US billionaires will turn the whole world into a giant neo-feudalistic shithole. And as they now rule supreme and globally, they do not need to "sacrifice a part" anymore, they do not need the US middle-class anymore but will simply turn everyone - independent of nationality or race into a serf.

And with the oppression of women they can kill two birds with one stone: - turn women into livestock that is supposed to breed so they get more workers and soldiers. - keep the oppressed men happy.

Because men are usually OK with being oppressed AS LONG as women are beneath even them.

[–]kt0998[S] 11 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

I am so glad you took the time to type all this out. This is exactly the kind of sane analysis that I look for here.

I agree with you that saying that America will actually "fall apart" is probably wishful thinking. It's nice to fantasize about some big conflict after which things return to normalcy. I think this narrative is implanted into us in history lessons about the world wars, which seemed like catastrophic events that nonetheless didn't stop life getting better in the west. I think you are right that what we will actually see is just slow agonizing decline that will demoralize people into powerless apathy.

What you say about leftism denying nature is EXACTLY the conclusion I have come to. Marxist analysis basically seems correct in pointing out the problems, but when it starts to offer solutions, it goes into fantasy land. Communism can never work because people are always greedy and wont be content with their fair share and because the system always needs leaders who will just become corrupt. Leftism honestly seems to me more like a religion, comforting fairytale that people cling to because they can’t handle the depressing reality. Everything bad about humanity is caused by capitalistic brainwashing (socialization), deep inside humans are blank slates or some leftists even insist that peaceful egalitarianism is our nature (the stuff about pre-historic utopian societies). ”True Communism” will turn us all into perfect beings and if it doesn’t, it wasn’t True Communism.

Greed and selfishness, misogyny and sex differences, xenophobia and racism, all variations between people that makes us unequal etc is all supposed to be just result of society. Claiming anything else is biological essentialism and practically nazi eugenics. Humans are somehow the only animal without nature. As shitty as a lot of pop evopsych is, I think it’s much closer to the truth than leftist denialism. I made the original BPF subreddit because I had become convinced that male supremacy was rooted in biology and most women will always participate in their own oppression, and that women like myself were probably also biological oddities (I think of straight women who’ve never had any sexual/romantic attraction to male dominance as basically like sexual minority).

I’m also against mass immigration and creating multiracial/cultural/religious societies, simply because it has never worked anywhere. Every such society has inequality, tensions and outright conflict between the different groups. Of course the left blames all of this on whatever group is the majority. If only whites stopped being racist, we would live in diverse utopia. But if every single multiracial society has always been racist, then we have to admit that racism is just human nature that can’t be overcome and multicultural project was doomed to fail from the start. There is lots of research that indicates that we are biologically hardwired to be xenophobic and prefer our own groups. In that case, homogeneous societies are always more stable, peaceful, equal and superior in basically every way, and destroying this peace with mass immigration is insanity.

USA has always been touted as the supposed proof that multiracial societies can work, but it’s all bullshit. The melting pot only worked within broad racial categories, melting different Europeans (who all look similar enough with similar enough cultures) into one White People, different Africans (ditto) into Black People etc. But then those broad categories stayed separate and unequal. And things stayed stable for exactly as long as white people had a large enough majority that the hierarchy couldn’t be challenged. USA was most white in 40’s at about 90%, by 1990 it was 80% and the decline has been rapid with 2050 being when whites become minority. I think this is major reason for the current instability, with no clear dominant majority, the ethnic groups will all fight for power. All American politics are now just about race. Even if races mix so much that those broad categories become muddy, you just shift from racism into colorism like in Latin America and you end with USA turning into another Brazil where tiny mostly light-skin upper class lives in gated communities and the rest of the country is one big ghetto.

You talk about USA dominating the world, but isn’t it more accurate to say that there is now some kind of amorphous global elite ruling the world? Nations don’t matter, corporations use tax havens, digital giants like Google and Facebook are ”metanationals” untied to geography, factories are sent to cheaper countries and cheap workers shipped around the globe like nothing. The crazy thing is, I’m old enough to remember when resisting globalization was leftist thing and left wing parties here were critical of euro etc. Then the right started to criticize globalization because of immigration and this single issue turned leftists everywhere in the west into passionate globalist lackeys. Like you say, racism is the Worst Thing Ever and this is what basically killed what was left of leftist class politics after the Soviet collapse (I agree with you that the fear of bolshevik revolution was basically needed to scare capitalist into listening labor unions etc).

You are also correct about how full of shit the left is about overpopulation. It’s another blatant example of the left just sticking it’s head in the sand and again, it’s about the pathological idpol. Overpopulation doesn’t exist, overpopulation isn’t a problem, it’s corporations that pollute the world (never ask where the demand for more factories and farmland comes from), if you think African population explosion is bad you’re a nazi, blah blah. It’s unreal. This makes all the climate alarmism pointless because every positive change we make will be undone by population growth anyway, but since it’s ”BIPOC” people who are being born, you can’t talk about it, even if it’s driven by women’s total lack of reproductive control and rights.

With abortion rights another issue is the growing white panic about white birth rates. Every western country already has populists who basically want to force white women back into birth machines to reverse the shrinking of white population. If the backlash against immigration becomes too great, the capitalists will side with these populists as another option to get more cheap labor. I agree that we will see abortion rights taken away and women pushed out of work force to make babies. Another feminist delusion is the idea that removing women's rights will take force and look like Handmaidens Tale. In reality all it takes is making the other options look worse. The worse the job market becomes, with more work for less pay, worse conditions, more unemployment, especially since women are hit harder by this deterioration and the more obvious it becomes that men will NEVER do their share of domestic work, the more women will simply choose to drop out of workforce, especially if pushing out babies at home will be rewarded with tax reliefs or similar incentives and social approval. Combine this with the hellish “sex positive” dystopia feminism has helped to create, which basically has left generations of women traumatized by all the dehumanization and degradation. Many of these women who let themselves be exploited will turn to conservatism to protect themselves and their daughters from it. Ultimately as long as you are lucky and your husband isn’t a violent drunk, then is being a submissive chaste housewife that bad compared to other options?

China is very interesting to me because I do see more potential there than you do. They are past the ”factory of the world” phase and are rapidly trying to shift into first world service economy. They are even trying to turn Africa into their own sweatshop. I think China will become the leading economy unless something goes terribly wrong there, they have made so much investment into infrastructure and education and after certain point the progress becomes almost inevitable. If Chine becomes first world economically, it’s middle class will be four times the size of USA. I think the west is completely unprepared for how big China will be and how much it will shake things up. But China isn’t Marxist utopia and leftist who think otherwise are projecting their own desperation. China is impossible to categorize, it might even be argued it’s closer to fascism than socialism, with the combination corporatism, authoritarianism and increasing nationalism. They still have state as the highest power above private capital which is probably more than can be said about western countries. Their entire ruling philosophy is ”don’t rock the boat” so they avoid conflict and divisive politics, and try to keep the people content. It’s very dystopian in a lot of ways but I could also see China becoming sort of centre of stability and material prosperity similar to what USA has been for a long time, that other countries will increasingly try to imitate. If you accept the lack of freedoms, life as middle class in China in 2050 might be more comfortable than in the west. The old Confucian culture is nightmare for women although communism improved things, but I think for a woman it’s not culture itself that is important but personal economic independence and the stability and safety of society, and if China lifts the rest of it’s population from horrible poverty, it could be a decent place for a woman.

[–]storyendingnever 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Agreed. China is not the factory of the world anymore. Tons of rich people, rapidly growing middle class and educated class. The standard of living is much higher than it used to be, and they are not only outsourcing to many poorer countries (in Asia and especially Africa), but they are also outsourcing to factories in the US simply because of the skilled labour needed for certain products that ends up being cheaper to do with American factory-slaves. I lived in China for the better part of 10 years, and I am female, lesbian, and black pill, so I have a very different perspective than the average male douchebag that loves to spout off endlessly on his opinion of China (and he is clueless about most things on the ground as he seldom speaks any Mandarin or Cantonese, and almost always has a gf or wife who makes his life easy in a way that he doesn't have to deal with the racist and very complicated system just to get basic things done on a daily basis).

I think China could very easily become the next world power. I can see the US being employed as a military mercenary-for-hire country, and thus still having a fist/dick at the table of power, but the Chinese are united, squash any identity-politicking distracting bullshit, and are much more subtle in the way they take over. Rather than kicking the door in and shooting everyone American-style, they look for the most desperate (even in Western countries - and there is and increasing number of desperate people in the West), offer them a golden carrot, move in and take over. Economic stealth, rather than sheer violence and aggression. Oh and they are massive contract-breakers - that always helps put the desperate at a disadvantage ;) As an aside, I've followed some African blogs on the conditions in Chinese work set-ups in several countries there, and there are killings and massive human rights abuses, pretty much covered up, which doesn't surprise me. Unlike in Western countries, there is no human rightsy, in-country, lefty groups race-shaming the Chinese for abusing people who are not Chinese. The Chinese save their shaming for family politics, and are generally quite proud of their racism.

Like with all revolutions and empire changes, the dick colours might change, but you are really just exchanging one master for another. A male system is a male system. Women are fucked no matter who is in charge.

[–]_Moon_ 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

You talk about USA dominating the world, but isn’t it more accurate to say that there is now some kind of amorphous global elite ruling the world?

Yes, of course, but they still need the US military to rule the world. "All power grows out of the barrels of guns," Mao Zedong said. And this isn't something only communist politicians knew. Every American politician knows this. Politicians who support endless wars in the Middle East and regime change """revolutions""" around the world aren't exactly very trustworthy for telling the peasants that "violence is never the answer." Powers grows out of the barrels of guns, and these guns need to be paid. And this is the moment where the nationality does matter again. US military, US nukes, US courts. Look at the way the US forbids Russia to sell gas to Germany now. ("Nord Stream 2") Germany is not allowed to buy cheap gas from Russia but forced into buying more expensive gas from the US. (=higher energy prizes for German citizens) This wouldn't be possible without the US military.

Admittedly, the general EFFECTS of what we're talking about is pretty much the same. You say "an amorphous global elite" will rule the world, I say, the capitalist ruling class of the US will rule the world. But at the end of the day, it won't even make much of a difference who of us is right because my prediction will pretty much result in the same shit your prediction would result in. Because a ruling class ruling world-wide does obviously not have any interest in the nation-state, borders, sharp religious or racial distinctions etc. anymore. And the US ruling class will then treat US citizens the same way they have treated the citizens of South America, the Middle East, East Asia, etc. I mean, this process is obviously already going on. Cornel West once talked about the "niggerzation of America": EVERYONE will then be "niggerized", to use his words.

I'm pretty sure that over the next four years, the Biden/Harris administration will ruthlessly crush Antifa and BLM and beat these useful idiots back into the kennels like the dogs they are. The American/ized left is a bunch of Frankensteins cheering for the creation of a monster that will soon devour them as well. (And soon deplatform and cancel them as well IF they are serious about their medicare and anti-war stuff, etc.)

Come to think of it ... if the American/ized Left ARE Frankensteins cheering for the creation of a monster that will soon devour them as well, right-wing populists WERE Frankensteins who have cheered for the creation of a capitalist and imperialist monster that has grown so big that it doesn't need the nation-state and a middle-class anymore, lol. They were perfectly fine with """globalism""" as long as it only affected black and brown people, the Middle East, South America, etc. And they cheered for "deregulation" believing in the trickle-down ideology, lol.

In a way, it's poetic injustice happening right now. American patriots are now getting a treat of their own medicine.

Alas, I'm sitting in the same boat as all/most other people and women, so...

[–]fckoffmale 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Just dropping in to say you're very intelligent. Thanks for taking the time to write all this. It's like you're putting all the current events together in a way that makes sense....like everything was planned...