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[–]fijupanda 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (9 children)

I can't speak for everyone, but for me Black Pill Feminism means saving what can be saved from the efforts of women across the world from the original movements across the world, the history of women's labor, enslavement under patriarchies and for those women who choose so to go their own way for their sanity and wellbeing and become as much as possible detached. independent, safe, and happy from society and its many ills today.

  1. Feminism was coopted by many for instance in my region of the world (central/se europe) and these political, social, economic left and right wing trolls suck on the tit of women's labor and thrive while others are being silenced or again threatened with removal of rights. I can't judge the USA, but from reading some of the current shenanigans going on, way too many shady political, social, corporate and economic agendas have latched onto feminism worldwide. I have nothing against so called family units as long as they don't involve abuse, disrespect and other ways of demeaning women in families, but I am choosing to go my own way with my own family unit which are my family members and not husband and child if that is what you meant.

  2. Sure, they're legit. But again, some of the so called men's rights movement has little do with actual male rights and more to do with taking away female rights.

  3. I wish they'd actually go their own way for those men who subscribe to the MGTOW idea.

  4. Heh, fairness. TBH it would be too abstract for most people to digest it.

I subscribe to WGTOW, and Black and Pinkpill feminism. I have some hope and faith still left. The rest is lost in a cesspit of various agendas, people I've never heard of, various parasites that leach off the original movements, and phonies.

Thanks for the welcome.

[–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 5 fun -  (8 children)

Thanks for indulging my curiosity.

I'm curious why you use the term "patriarchy". I prefer other terms like corporatocracy, technocracy, kakistocracy, pedophocracy, etc. Sex and race aren't the problem so far as I'm concerned and they're only used to divide us into tribalist factions when IMO the largest root problem is the class war between the corporatocracy and the rest of humanity, as all other divisions are part of that greater effort to break us all down. Obviously using "patriarchy" distinguishes which "side" you're on, but does it also empower you or something along those lines, or is it a trigger word, or perhaps it's just a generic word that is easy, understood, convenient? I ask partly because there are most certainly abominable political women who are just as bad if not occasionally demonstrably worse than men who are active agents of the "patriarchy". I could list a bunch but then I'd feel compelled to also list a bunch of terrific women who are being sidelined from political power due to the abundant corruption of the rigged systems.

1) I'm in alignment with you. Abuse is not good from anyone regardless of label. I'm a little confused by the last sentence.

I should also clarify by expanding on my statement about "destroying the family unit". They've been deconstructing our power via social engineering us all in more ways than just the sex issue. There were once strong ethnic neighbourhoods - Polish, Irish, Greek, Catholic, etc etc etc (all with their pros and cons and historical baggage) but they engineered the destruction of those communities by intentionally moving in "undesireables" (whatever that may mean to those communities and individuals) while offering incentives to move out and melt into the generic "white" suburban nightmare where communities were weaker, mixing up all ethnicities, religions, etc. Now with these carrot (low mortgages) and stick (crime) incentives they're pushing people back into the cities more than ever to leave all the natural resources of the land to the powers that be while also caging us in their Agenda 21 plans for "sustainability" for a fictional carbon scare scam. Further, socialism and unions have been utterly demonized as billionaires pay millionaires to tell the middle class that the poor are the problem, never ever focusing on the billionaire Zionist globalist engineers. Add feminism waves, the extremist trans agenda (that most of them don't even want), bizarro incels, SJW political correctness to absurdist extremes, manufactured racism, and whatever other distractions, divisions, and political theater you can imagine - and you've deconstructed ethnicities, communities, unions, families and are left with weak individuals vs the mighty corporatocracy. Also to be clear, I know that not everyone in those tribes I just mentioned are extremists or "bizarro" - but they capitalize on the sensational ones in order to demonize and divide.

2) I'm not deep into Men's Rights at all, however I have yet to ever see anything remotely resembling what you stated about taking away female rights. Maybe I haven't looked deeply enough or have subconsciously ignored the sensational buffoons (just as likely as many idiots as CIA assets) or something but I here are a couple examples off the top of my head that may change your mind: The Red Pill documentary by Cassie Jaye and Feminism - Fiamengo Files with Janice Fiamengo who IMO is a little harsher than she could be on feminists on occasion yet gets to the point and is brief with excellent clarity. There's also the Honey Badgers that I'd heard of years ago. They stand out in my memory because they provided a lot of content clearly and evenly without getting extreme - plus they are ALL females for men's rights, as well as women's and children's rights. I don't need men to tell me how great men are, just like I don't need Ayn Rand to sell me on how greed is good (a Gore Vidal misquote). Above all, they make clear sense to me and realize we need to all have rights, including children's rights and we need to unify, strengthen, and resist the exploitation, division, and oppression of our overlords. In my limited experience, it seems to me most men's rights folks believe that everyone, men, women, and children have legit specific concerns, but MUCH more in common against the corporatocracy and we'd do better uniting and supporting each other.

3) I don't really know what you mean. If you mean go away, then ya, I agree for the most part about the noisy ones. From what I understand, the majority are silent and actually just going their own way defining their own lives and don't need the MGTOW label. I for one might fall into that later category but wouldn't ever call myself that. Especially since I hope my relationship days are not yet over, and when I have had girlfriends it was always that we were going our own way in our own style (ie. Burning Man, alternatives, sustainability, self reliant, indie filmmaker, etc etc etc).

3b) Do you recognize there's a difference between Men's Rights and MGTOW? Many of the former don't like the latter for their antics. I don't know much about whatever antics they mean, as honestly they've bored me so I don't even look when it come up anymore - like country music or car commercials - just not interested.

4) I don't see how. I know I sound like a broken record, but the social engineering of the corporatocracy is pushing the distraction and division with equality like it's attainable when it seems obvious to me the authentic solution is fairness. Formerly men should not be competing in women's sports and should not pretend they have periods or babies. Sure those are extremist and obvious, but this social engineering tapers off to the long tail of micro this and micro that nitpicky stuff - meanwhile we're never questioning the powers that be and their matrix of rigged systems, monopolies, monopoly on violence, bankster scams, and full spectrum dominance.

5) I'm guessing/hoping WGTOW isn't as silly as MGTOW can get. Feel free to skip or expand as you like.

6) What does Pink Pill mean/stand for?

I'm happy to hear you still have hope. I do too. I think it's important. The sidebox reads "there is nothing we can do about it" but I don't buy that. Maybe we're all doomed, but we can go out in style with grace and compassion, support each other, and resist as long and as hard and as much as possible.

Thanks again for your response. Don't feel like you need to indulge all of my verbose nonsense, but I'll thank you in advance for whatever you might like to riff on.

[–]BrownScholarship 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (7 children)

No, use the word patriarchy. Stands for the historical subjugation of women that is universal. There already is a division.

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (6 children)

But patriarchy is divisive. Half of us are men and most men are NOT oppressive. Making that division wider solves nothing. We need to heal the division and come together and rise up against the ruling class.

Meanwhile, the ruling class, less than 1% are oppressing everyone else - men AND women - universally since time began. They are orchestrating all of this division on ALL fronts.

If women can speak for themselves then they aren't oppressed until there is physical intimidation, threats, or violence. If they are perpetually intimidated then they have bigger issues than the patriarchy. If they have a decent man then together they can stand up to a threat. I hate guns, but they have a purpose and are a great equalizer, just like a common sense voice, when irrational behavior arises.

The patriarchy is a legit problem for many, but it's overblown by comparison to the greatest threat to humanity - the globalist Zionist ruling class' corporatocratic technocracy.

[–]UnapologeticMisandry 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Get the fuck out, smeg. We don't want your male sympathizing and your constant excuses and tiptoeing around sex based problems for women is just so fucking typical. "The ruling class" shut the fuck up. Whether or not poor men have money or are rich does nothing for women. You all treat us like filth no matter what class you are and you always will, because you are BIOLOGICALLY FLAWED. Social constructs such as class, money, and technology are fucking meaningless in the eye of evolution. Evolution is the reason for biological determinism, which is the reason for female oppression. As a fucking retarded smeg you lack the humanity and simple powers of reason to grasp the concept. Go back to masturbating to communism and marxist bullshit while millions of women suffer under men of all classes. We are not concerned with "humanity" (AKA MEN) or its problems, we are concerned with women's problems, and women's problems stem from you and your kind's existence. WE ARE NOT HERE TO CARE ABOUT WHAT YOU HAPPEN TO THINK IS OF MORE IMPORTANCE THAN WE ARE. FUCK OFF.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

You're 6 months late to this party.

I don't treat women poorly so obviously not "all" of us do.

I don't even treat women like sex objects half as much as women treat men like success objects.

Having a Y chromosome is not biologically flawed - it's nature. Until your transhumanist dreams are realized and there's no longer any need for procreation I recommend you take a chill pill, crawl out of your victim mentality, and remember:

Your father was a motherfucker, otherwise you wouldn't exist.

[–]BrownScholarship 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Saying most men are not oppressive is bad. As the oppressor, you have watch yourself on things perpetuate misogyny. Even I, may subject to misogyny. This means watching porn, passing a woman’s boundaries, and withholding the belief that she needs men to succeed. This is only a lick.

If you think men will also agree to feminism that is also bad. Their desires will obviously be limited. Will they respond to that so positively? Like many don’t subject themselves to anti feminist videos and accounts? Women need women. That’s what they need to overcome the patriarchy. The ability to speak doesn’t erase oppression. The ability to withhold higher positions doesn’t erase oppression. If women are intimidated by things of this subject then that would be an issue under the patriarchy or a manifestation under it.

The patriarchy gives voices to sex based violence and oppression. If you find that the patriarchy connects to something bigger than that, okay. But that still exists and gives voices to many. Comparing it won’t lessen it.

[–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

Saying most men are oppressive is bad and divisive. Keep saying it to keep starting fights.

A woman needs a man to succeed at having children. That is a biological fact. If she wants help raising that child she can keep or dispose of people as she sees fit, though stable relationships would be best for the child, and those relationships need not be romantically with a man as they may be another gender, family, friends, etc.

" If you think men will also agree to feminism that is also bad. "

1) This is poor grammar and I don't understand what you mean. 2) You're projecting as I never said that. 3) This makes your other points confusing and moot too.

The ability to speak freely is an ultimate equalizer. You get your say. I get mine. No one is above the other. There is no hierarchy or patriarchy. However if you feel intimidated or are threatened that changes things, something impossible to do in this forum. Censorship also profoundly changes things.

If you are intimidated by the prodigious prowess of my grand intellect that is another thing entirely. ;P

" The ability to withhold higher positions doesn’t erase oppression. If women are intimidated by things of this subject then that would be an issue under the patriarchy or a manifestation under it. "

I don't understand what you're saying here. Please expand clearly.

" The patriarchy gives voices to sex based violence and oppression. "

I don't understand what you're saying here. Please expand clearly.

" If you find that the patriarchy connects to something bigger than that, okay. But that still exists and gives voices to many. Comparing it won’t lessen it. "

My point is that taking down the "patriarchy" won't solve half the problems, if you even could, by whatever definition you want to make it. The "patriarchy" is a proxy-pseudo-enemy that is a shield for the true root of the problem from which all others stem from - the globalist Zionist corporatocracy who is manufacturing your war on the "patriarchy", just as it's manufacturing consent for the BLM riots, race divisions, trans agendas, etc etc etc - anything but actually attacking the ruling class puppet masters who don't give a flying fuck about BLM, SJWs, or any of these other issues - including feminism. How many women are at the top of the pyramid? There are VERY FEW women who are actually in the Council On Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission, Atlantic Council, Bank Of International Settlements, the Bilderberg meetings, etc. Strike there and things might change.

[–]BrownScholarship 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

That divisive mere statement gives light to the oppression women face at the hands of men and that is a historical fact.

Women needing a man to make a baby is a biological fact. I had meant in areas that can be considered social.

The ability to speak freely is a human right, that still doesn’t undermine oppression and microaggressions that women face for doing so.

What I had meant is that if men are going “rise” with us in overthrowing the patriarchy and come together, then they must be up to par with feminism. But will they risk that? Will they risk their own desires as feminists critique? The reason I am projecting is that these are very popular factors that many commit. Are you up to par with withholding that for female liberation?

Patriarchy helps put the issue of sex based violence and oppression for women into light, and it also doesn’t exclude how it affects men and our roles in society. If you see something more bigger than that, okay, but the patriarchy is a label that may just be an extension of that.

Are you opposed to BLM?

[–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Your grammar is confusing.

Men are oppressed by women and society too. And children are too. We all face microaggressions. I get microaggressions from my male neighbour, and I'm male, so who's the patriarchy? It's all part of life. Don't be a victim. It wins you nothing.

I would agree to be on par with a rational feminism (not the CIA engineered 2nd to 4th waves). I would hope you would too. There are nutjob feminists just as there are nutjob MGTOW and Incels. I would LOVE to see rational people, feminists and men's rights and children's rights folks find their common ground, put aside their differences for a bit, and unify for common goals against the oppressive media, government, industry, banks, academia, etc. - the corporatocracy.

I will never give up my right to critique (not just against women but men and other tribes and groups, not just the bad but also critically analyse the good to learn from it and maybe improve it), but I will also be happy to collaborate for a common good.

I don't understand why I must "withhold" or why anyone should be denied anything.

Time to move off dwelling on sex-based violence. I have NEVER hit a woman, but I've had many take that liberty on me. Violence is a relationship killer in my book. Domestic violence is 60% 40% yet men don't have shelters. Why? That's not a patriarchy. That the manipulation of the masses by the ruling class.

I am opposed to SJWs and BLM because they have been weaponized by the ruling class' corporatocracy from originally being based on good intentions. I am all in favour of social justice and for Black lives to matter, as well as all others, though I certainly will recognize that Black people have had a terribly rough time through history for many reasons. From Jewish slave masters to Southern oppression to the terrible things unleashed by the Clinton presidency to the engineered crashes of 2008 and 2020. There is good reason for them to be upset, but there is no good reason to commit crimes when they could be more effectively organizing with ACTUAL proper demands - but the corporatocracy won't allow that.