Opinion/Hit Piece "Is Kyrsten Sinema bad for bisexuals?"

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[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

This is USA politics, so I apologize beforehand.

Yes because, as we all know, politics and sexuality go hand-in-hand. Being bisexual is being an "unreliable" centrist? (Centrism is of course, reliably centrist.) Voting is per-ordained at the same time orientation is determined? (Or sex for that matter.) How is being bisexual a "rebuke to Trumpism?" (Along that line of reasoning, gay men must vote for Joe Biden--or they're not homosexual?)

Gee, I suppose if you don't favor Trump, go sleep with both sexes. That'll show him. Have sex with men and women: defeat Trump.

The "opinion" (read: hit piece--there's some piece of legislation that Sinema is a linchpin in) author links to Twitter about how Sinema can't "make up her mind."

Long, hard look in the mirror, Lux Alptraum. Trying to 'dispel bisexual stereotypes' whilst spewing them.

[–]PatsyStone 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I lol'd at the claim in the article that there's "public opinion" about her. Nobody but politics junkies and loyal Dems have heard of her.

She's being scapegoated by Democrats to cover for the inevitable failure of a spending bill that was never going to pass. I'm quite proud of her, in general. She's stuck to her pre-woke liberal guns and gets punished relentlessly for it.

This is typical of modern Democrats, displease them and whatever demographics you belong to become open season for slurs and bigotry. A disobedient bisexual will have every lazy stereotype applied to her.

Bonus points if they can get some snotty bisexual woman to elaborately apologize on her behalf and whine about how she shames us. As of we have anything to do with each other in the first place... or ever had a good reputation to begin with 🤣

[–]MarkJefferson 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

The contemporary politics of sexuality is one reason it's difficult to clean the posing self-identifiers from a community. Break the link between the two and many of the partisan larpers dissolve away like.. solutes. Bringing back the Q of "Questioning" to replace the nebulous "Queer", and dismantling of gender stereotypes(which sexual orientation is but a part of) will help a lot, as well. As of now, the trinity of these is held shackled under lock and key by highly motivated paraphilic and moneyed interests because they are acutely aware how integral the tight control of these components of society are to true sexual liberation/self-actualization. Because when one is free and knows themselves, they are no longer exploitable like they used to be, either for profit and/or for the gratification of others.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I don't want to beat this dead horse, and I've certainly been wielding that stick. I'm trying to pull-back from this site, because I'm not getting anywhere.

We all point out things that we see, and they certainly exist, but when those things demand a voice of their own, we shoot them in the kneecap. This is foolish: It's short-sighted; they're not going away if we ignore them.

Paraphilic interests. Could these be resolved if we brought said paraphilia to light? There's no identity category for these folks. People have an immutable way of being. They are the way that they are. Sometimes that's paraphilia, and they try and file themselves into the already available identity categories. I break with the feminists; it's not due to too much pornography. AGP is innate. I think it's perfectly reasonable to say of a pre-pubescent male that they are AGP. Or a fetishist. Or a paedophile. There's no undoing it. AGP is the same as homosexuality in this regard.

Denying them an identity category of AGP does not resolve the problem.

There's a plethora of sexual and gender identities out there, but only a few are verboten: AGP is one of them.

It is a prohibited identity category because...? Do we have some hand in that? Are we so foolish to force people into A, B, and C, and never recognize D? AGP don't want "D," and neither do the feminist crowd. It's due to porn, they say. It's "fixable." A social problem...

I think things take a more resolute turn if you can accept that AGP are AGP. There's no undoing them, and it's not their fault. That is not a blank cheque, however.

[–]usehername 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

AGP is innate. I think it's perfectly reasonable to say of a pre-pubescent male that they are AGP. Or a fetishist. Or a paedophile. There's no undoing it. AGP is the same as homosexuality in this regard.

There is zero evidence of this and the notion is ridiculous. People have immutable orientations, and they appear to possibly also have immutable femininity/masculinity, which is where paraphilias stem from.

[–]MarkJefferson 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't want to beat this dead horse, and I've certainly been wielding that stick. I'm trying to pull-back from this site, because I'm not getting anywhere.

I can see that. I hope you came back someday to leave your thoughts again, though. I'll admit, I usually don't follow well because of your manner of writing, but I see now that has more to do with me not possessing the patience to really read through things. But- we really could use more Bi men on these kinds of forums to give their input, because many seem to be dissuaded for some reason(imposter syndrome?).

We all point out things that we see, and they certainly exist, but when those things demand a voice of their own, we shoot them in the kneecap. This is foolish: It's short-sighted; they're not going away if we ignore them.

Yes. The erasure of certain unique perspectives due to the raw intensity of some entrenched cultures and ideologies is a big issue.

Paraphilic interests. Could these be resolved if we brought said paraphilia to light? There's no identity category for these folks. People have an immutable way of being. They are the way that they are. Sometimes that's paraphilia, and they try and file themselves into the already available identity categories. I break with the feminists; it's not due to too much pornography. AGP is innate. I think it's perfectly reasonable to say of a pre-pubescent male that they are AGP. Or a fetishist. Or a paedophile. There's no undoing it. AGP is the same as homosexuality in this regard.

People have an innate predisposition to becoming a particular way, and attaching themselves to certain things. And if the right situational factors line up they invariably will(fate?). Pornography availability is only one such factor of an AGP outcome. There's also others like crossdressing opportunities. But I do not believe either will do anything to those who are not already so inclined. So the common suggestion of banning pornography is misguided, at least for this reason.

Denying them an identity category of AGP does not resolve the problem.

There's a plethora of sexual and gender identities out there, but only a few are verboten: AGP is one of them.

It is a prohibited identity category because...? Do we have some hand in that? Are we so foolish to force people into A, B, and C, and never recognize D? AGP don't want "D," and neither do the feminist crowd. It's due to porn, they say. It's "fixable." A social problem...

I think the stigma of identifying as AGP and other paraphilias may maintain the flood of people identifying into the "Queer Community" and into one of the established minority sexualities. If there was a person with something like AGP it makes sense that they would probably rather identify as a partially accepted sexuality instead of admitting they have a "perversion" and most likely ostracized. For that reason, some who think they are fighting against it by "othering" it and saddling the issue with their subconscious gender expectations, may be unknowingly perpetuating this phenomenon by not giving it the proper room to breathe.

Honestly, I think paraphilias like AGP/AAP are more common than acknowledged by society. And because of the widespread denial of their existence to save face and the dignity of society, the ones with them can easily project their own and unrelated experiences on to others unwarranted. This can often lead to avoidable misunderstandings and conflict as identities are appropriated from those they are originally meant for and subsequently heavily diluted in definition to encompass a much larger proportion of the population, perhaps to the extent of becoming virtually meaningless and without any practical utility.