Some people really hate religion and they'll abuse their position to attack it.

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[–]Questionable 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (25 children)

This isn't about religion, this is about the communities that their religion supports, and silencing them. As an person that does not support organized religion myself, I encourage all those who are members of any congregation to openly oppose this suppression of your beliefs. The suppression of your right to organize, and your freedom of speech. To get together, and have open dialog of both the lock downs, and the privately financed riots.

[–]calmbluejay[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (24 children)

So do I. The problem is that we've been taught by our church leaders that we're supposed to do whatever the government says and if there's a problem Jesus will take care of it for us.

[–]Jesus 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Remember Rome? Remember the pro-creditor class of the Hillel sect of Jews?

Why were Christians and christ so feared by Rome and the Jewish High priests, why?

Because men will not live by bread alone. To follow Christ is to give up what you have and walk in faith. To be a living sacrifice unto God and to be an example unto others as Yeshua was.

The simple life of going to a tax exempt church every other sunday and paying your taxes for the war machine and actually pretending that voring in the elections will chamge anything isn't going to cut it. You must become like Christ. Walk in faith.

Religious institutions might be failing but let us pray that the individual can find God and follow his instructions in calmness and humility.

Rome's Christians abided in brotherhood. And as a brotherhood did not have property, or many did not.

They were a threat to Rome not because they targeted Rome but because they RENOUNCED THE WORLD and followed Yeshua's teachings. THEY were seen as despicable to the violent culture of Rome, they held Ceasar as a man and would not dare say he was God.

What did Yeshua say about taxes and money. He explained that Ceasar's face was on it. Sooooooo, it is his. Our Federal Reserve Notes are not ours, they are made by someone. So, renounce this world and follow in faith. If eveeyone did this a brotherhood in Christ could be established and momey would need not be involved let alone money based on permanent public debt.

Something many so-called Christians in Christendom do not do.

I fight with this disconnect often. But pray I find peace and the way.

[–]Questionable 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (17 children)

"So do I" Is not a logical reply to the entire comment. Or is it that you??? As for doing as your government tells you, there are at least six deep states that exist within the government and that's just surface level. Where as there are thirty three thousand denominations and independent views of Christianity and Jesus. So if the government under the control of Bill Gates and his religious eugenics ideologies deems it necessary that you take an experimental vaccine that edits your DNA rendering you no longer human, you submit? OK, well, putting aside the fact that all words of religions doctrine have been written by man, can you or your husband explain to me why the main audience hall for the Pope, is shaped like that of a viper's head?

https://www.collective-evolution.com/2017/11/17/the-dark-secrets-behind-the-popes-audience-hall-its-a-giant-reptilian/

[–]calmbluejay[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

OK, well, putting aside the fact that all words of religions doctrine have been written by man, can you or your husband explain to me why the main audience hall for the Pope, is shaped like that of a viper's head?

I'm Mormon not Catholic

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

"So do I" Is not a logical reply to the entire comment.

Actually, if you read carefully, it totally is a logical reply to your statement. u/calmbluejay is saying that she also encourages people to oppose the suppression of the right to freely assemble along with freedom of speech.

Or is it that you??? As for doing as your government tells you, there are at least six deep states that exist within the government and that's just surface level. Where as there are thirty three thousand denominations and independent views of Christianity and Jesus. So if the government under the control of Bill Gates and his religious eugenics ideologies deems it necessary that you take an experimental vaccine that edits your DNA rendering you no longer human, you submit? OK, well, putting aside the fact that all words of religions doctrine have been written by man, can you or your husband explain to me why the main audience hall for the Pope, is shaped like that of a viper's head?

This was not a logical response ironically.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

there are at least six deep states that exist within the government

The whole state is corrupt. Lol.

[–]Questionable 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (13 children)

I don't know who ‘they’ are in this context, I don't know what "so do I" means in the earlier statement.
As for my response, it was a series of two question that you chose to ignore. That is provided that you are u/calmbluejay ‘s husband. But I don’t know if you are, because you have entered this conversation without introducing yourself as such. Without typing out your statements in full, and relying on short hand replies, I, as you, can add any context to them we wish. In this manner our words will cease to have meaning. We will only appear to be connecting with each other while filling in the narratives on both of our ends, without expressing actual meaning. What you are currently doing, in using a broken dialog. Such short hand is the bases for George Orwell's new speak. This is how the individual loses their identity and their abilities to express themselves.
I ask of you that you, use proper nouns and descriptive nouns. “they” when several parties are being discussed is not acceptable. LOL is not communication. “So do I” is not a sentence that holds inherent meaning, when the last sentence it is being replied to does not warrant such acknowledgment. And above all else. Please answer my questions when I ask them of you. Simply echoing back my own words to me, is the equivalent of saying “I know you are but what am I” Getting back to my questions, for your benefit, here is the context for my questions:

“The problem is that we've been taught by our church leaders that we're supposed to do whatever the government says and if there's a problem Jesus will take care of it for us.”

My questions were prefaced with a statement on the complexities of both religion and the united states government, sans the statement ‘with all that in mind.’ My questions are as follows:

  1. So if the government under the control of Bill Gates and his religious eugenics ideologies deems it necessary that you take an experimental vaccine that edits your DNA rendering you no longer human, you submit?

  2. OK, well, putting aside the fact that all words of religions doctrine have been written by man, can you or your husband explain to me why the main audience hall for the Pope, is shaped like that of a viper's head? https://www.collective-evolution.com/2017/11/17/the-dark-secrets-behind-the-popes-audience-hall-its-a-giant-reptilian/

Please see fit to explain to me your position on these matters, and how that it fits into your religious views.

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    [–]Questionable 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    I asked a question of u/calmbluejay and her husband. You chose to speak for her in the s/BiblicalSubmission sub, where:

    "This is a sub for Christian biblical male-female relationships. Here we discuss how men should be allowed to lead in a marriage and how women be his help mate."

    Alright, and with that context you chose to:

    "Honestly, I didn't read your entire post, just the first couple of sentences."

    OK, and yet I am the one who:

    "need to go back to school to substantiate your condescending 'I'm better than you' attitude with a shred of knowledge. "

    Insulting to say the least. Well at least you got this right:

    "Communication is not about just spewing out as much nonsense as you can."

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      [–]Questionable 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      Not everything is a debate. You don't need to insult me. This isn't even a conversation you were involved in. The reference for the sub was only to provide you context for the assumption that you might be the husband, as you were speaking on her behest . If you wish to discuss this further please do so in private messages. Good night.

      [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      You don't need to insult me.

      I'm sorry. That was a completely uncalled for. I am just so frustrated by getting into arguments with you across these posts. You come across as a thoughtful guy in most posts you make and I should've made my point without insulting you. I'm sure you're not a bad guy. Sorry. I'm deleting my posts because calling you names was not appropriate.

      [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Without typing out your statements in full, and relying on short hand replies, I, as you, can add any context to them we wish.

      I think she expressed herself better with her two brief sentences than you did with the several paragraphs you've sent me. Communication is not about just spewing out as much nonsense as you can.

      [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

      That is provided that you are u/calmbluejay ‘s husband.

      No ahahah just a random observer

      I don't know who ‘they’ are in this context

      You're overthinking it. I didn't know if she was actually a female because you come across as incredibly incoherent and I didn't know she talked about having a husband. I just thought you were rambling about something, so, I didn't know. Jesus Christ man, you're off the deep end. I'm honestly considering blocking you because you're annoying... and I really liked your posts when I first noticed your name here

      [–]calmbluejay[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

      Jesus Christ man,

      Just to let you know that I will not allow profanity in my sub and hostilely using Christ's name will get someone banned. This is a Christian sub and I expect everyone to behave like good Christians even if they're not Christian.

      [–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Swearing in Yeshua's name is a forgivable sin.

      [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      No I didn't use any profanity, I just called him an idiot and said his assumptions were stupid. Outside of that, I was just hostile and I apologized. Hope that is okay. I do make it a very firm point not to swear, particularly in religious contexts, so, my intent was not to be profane or vulgar. Was just genuinely interested in discussing the Bible. Questionable was deliberately pushing my buttons last night across multiple posts and it was working. I felt bad about how I lashed out at him a bit yesterday but I don't think I was making an unreasonable point, was just doing it in kind of an unreasonable way

      [–]calmbluejay[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      I understand and it's ok to be passionate in a debate and it's okay to have an argument.

      [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

      Refer them to this. In the article below, the professor is talking about the government of the Philippines, which murders people very willingly. The point still stands I think.

      ON ROMANS 13 AND OF PASTORS WHO SUPPORT OPPRESSIVE REGIMES BY TWISTING THE MEANING OF SCRIPTURES TO ENCOURAGE BLIND AND FANATICAL SUBSERVIENCE TO GOVERNMENTS.

      Pastors who are apologists of this regime keep on harping Romans 13 as basis in their fanatical and unrelenting support of this regime. But if one really pays close reading to the whole chapter of Romans 13, the scriptural text DID NOT say "support authorities" to mean unconditional support of oppressive regimes that trample on the rights of its citizens. By "authority" it meant good & just government. I must repeat: Romans 13 DID NOT tell us to support a cruel, fascist or abusive government. Pastors must read Romans 13 in proper context and see that the text is saying that we ought to support a government that acts justly, a government that doesn't arbitrarily persecute citizens just for power tripping or for perpetuating cruelty and culture of death (Romans 13:1-3). Romans 13 is not a chapter to support cruel tyrants or evil regimes but it encourages conditional support of a government whom we can accept and support the government in good conscience and for as long as our good conscience allows us to support such a government (See Romans 13:5).

      I would like to encourage those who utilized Romans 13 as a blanket authority text to support any government no matter such a government is corrupt, murderous and tyrannical to please read the whole Romans 13 carefully and reflectively, by taking into consideration clear context of the whole chapter; and see that St. Paul is clearly implying that the government that he encouraged us to support in this chapter is one that punishes wrong doers by the government’s just, fair and righteous judgment and not punishing arbitrarily the helpless just by power tripping or simply to perpetuate its cruelty and hunger for power (See Romans 13:4-5). Romans 13:5 asks us to conditionally support a government that dispenses justice rightly & we support such a government for as long as our conscience tells us to: that means such a government is doing just actions and not trampling on the God-given rights of citizens. This is the government we ought to support, if one reads carefully and not carelessly Romans 13 in context and by plain common sense.

      If we support bad tyrannical and murderous government that kills its own people, remove from its citizens their freedoms and their rights, then that would be sin against God because the Scriptures say: "It is better to obey God rather than human structures of power” (See Acts 5:29). If we read the Old Testament then we will see that all prophets of God like Samuel, Jeremiah, Isaiah, Micah, Hosea, Malachi and all other holy prophets criticize the abuses and the excesses of the various kings of Israel who were incumbent during their time of prophethood. God commanded these prophets to call the attention of these abusive kings that God was not pleased with their injustice, corruption and penchant for murder or killings.

      Therefore in line with the principle of the harmony of the Old Testament and New Testament scriptures we should realize that what Romans 13 means when it says that we should support the government is herein understood through proper context to refer to righteous government and not to abusive government because the prophets of God criticized all bad and evil governments of Israel during the respective prophets' ministry. And if we read the Old Testament, God Himself approved of and commended the prophets' criticisms against their bad government. And in numerous times, it is God Himself who commanded his holy prophets to criticize and warn these murderous and evil kings of Israel. It is high time now that pastors really study the Sacred Scriptures in context and in plain common sense so that they will not become spokesperson for a fascist regime that persecutes and oppresses its own people. It is really sad and scandalizing to see how so-called Christian shepherds of the flock becoming unwitting enablers of oppression in their midst by using twisted interpretations of the Scriptures to support an evil, murderous and idiotic regime that makes life hard and difficult for its citizens. These pastors should make sincere repentance to God and to their fellow humans for becoming supporters of a fascist regime that glorifies murder, oppression and wanton disregard for basic human rights of its very own citizens! (Written by Dr. Henry Francis B. Espiritu on May 18, 2020 at 8:11 PM.)

      [–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      Keep in mind, Paul said these things. Paul's words sometimes contradicted Yeshua. Paul as a man, fallible, but Godly, we must then look to see what Yeshua preached. Paul makes the assumption that God appointed the authorities for Good and that they do terror unto the bad. Paul believes that all the empires are appointed by god.

      But Yeshua was tempted by the devil as to acquire all the empires and land, to lord it over their subjects. Yeshua stood firm on God.

      This event alone illustrates that those who rule in empires are not of God!!!

      Yeshua says give back to cesars what is his. If that coin has his face on it, or signature, then it is his. Renounce these things and work and walk in faith as a brotherhood and money is then not needed!

      Renouncment is not denouncement or an attack. Surely, it could be falsey reasonsed that it is, and Yeshua was attacked for this reason. As a tevolutionary preacher of Love and walking in faith.

      Yeshua was anti-Usury. He said give back to others what they pretend not to want but need. Do not ask for it back. He had plenty of qualms with usury and lawyers who "took the key of knowledge away from man."

      This alone illustrates that giving our idolatrous support to a machine hellbent on war and destruction is the antithesis of Christianity. But to follow it accordingly, means to renounce all material things and pleasures.

      [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Keep in mind, Paul said these things.

      Of course, that is something I always pay attention to when reading Romans. How could you not? In the case of Paul, he is important to me because of the way he opened up monotheism to gentiles. That aspect of his legacy is incredibly remarkable.

      [–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Oh and those Godly pastors that fly on their private Jets and proclaim it is ungodly not to give your support to an ethnocracy.

      [–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      support authorities" to mean unconditional support of oppressive regimes that trample on the rights of its citizens. By "authority" it meant good & just government.

      Yes, indeed. Think about paying your taxes too. Lots of statists claim that Yeshua said to pay your taxes and for that reason gove your support to a state (corporation).

      What they fail to mention is that he only claimed that Caesar's face was on the coin. So it is his! So give back to Caesar's what is his!!!

      That doesn't mean:

      And also pay your taxes and give unconditional support to Ceasar as your God and idolize the state and everything it stands for.

      It means give back to Ceasar what is his and walk in faith with nothigg but a walking stick. To help those in need and above all listen to God and do the works of Yeshua.

      Francis of Assisi started his own brotherhood for it was to live a utilitarian life and live above all in faith.

      Money, especially blood money based on debt should be renounced. How? To live in faith and preach the way of Yeshua. Do as he did. If an entire brotherhood lived like this and followed Yeshua, money wouldn't be needed.