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[–]NeverendingNight 12 insightful - 3 fun12 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

What makes blackpillfeminism refreshing to me, despite its pessimism, is how it's the only female-centered community that openly discusses the biological nature of men and women from a female perspective. Normie 'egalitarian' feminists, liberal feminists, gender critical feminists, and radical feminists rarely bring up biology as the reason why men and women are the way they are. Everything is explained due to socialization and nurture. While nurture does play a part, it never seemed truthful to me that sexism could be summed up as "men are taught to oppress women and they can learn to be better!" Liberal and radical feminists alike insist how taking on a bioessentialist stance lets men off the hook by blaming their behavior on biology, but why should the alternative involve waiting around for men to change through the power of "re-education" and "socialization?" Most men are not interested in changing or educating themselves. The patriarchy benefits them because even the lowest, weakest, and most pitiful of men can feel better about themselves knowing there's a woman they can punch down on.

I'm ranting now, but I agree with your post. This perspective is worth looking into, and I wish more feminists stopped tip-toeing around the topic of biology or acting like it's not even there, but that's nothing new.

[–]kt0998 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

It's really outrageous that evobio is practically male-only field and because feminism demonizes it so much, only people who are familiar with this extremely essential study of fundamental human nature are edgy conservative MRA dudes. And they don't even understand it or care about facts, just distort it to fit their own fantasies and victim complex. Women are almost completely clueless about human nature as understood by science, instead replacing it with fluffy comfortable lies peddled by humanities and self-help books.

[–]NeverendingNight 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

It's really outrageous that evobio is practically male-only field and because feminism demonizes it so much, only people who are familiar with this extremely essential study of fundamental human nature are edgy conservative MRA dudes. And they don't even understand it or care about facts, just distort it to fit their own fantasies and victim complex.

Exactly. MRAs, redpillers, incels, conservative men, male centrists, and misogynistic men in general have no qualms about bringing up biology and re-framing it to their advantage in an argument. They will use what they like and ignore what they don't like when it comes to discussing men and women's nature. They're opportunistic.

Women are almost completely clueless about human nature as understood by science, instead replacing it with fluffy comfortable lies peddled by humanities and self-help books.

I do think some feminists "reject" evolutionary biology because they see it as the realm of sexist dudebros, but this is backfiring on women. Instead of ignoring or refusing to engage with evo-biology, women should try to reclaim it. Yet, they're not interested in doing so, leaving the field mainly influenced by men. Even if feminists want to 100% support socialization, they could at least research counter-arguments and attempt to look at the dynamics between men and women from a different perspective, but many don't want to do so because, as you've said, they'd rather stick with what is comfortable to them.

[–]lurkergirl 6 insightful - 5 fun6 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 5 fun -  (2 children)

"MRAs, redpillers, incels, conservative men, male centrists, and misogynistic men in general have no qualms about bringing up biology and re-framing it to their advantage in an argument. They will use what they like and ignore what they don't like when it comes to discussing men and women's nature."

Absolutely. Women are shallower, dumber, slower, weaker than men - that's nature. Men are 90% of the world's criminals, 100% of its rapists, 80% of its homeless - because blah blah blah. Choose one.

[–]NeverendingNight 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Yep, they want to take all the upsides of being male but ignore or blame all the downsides (such as men being more disposable) on women. In one moment, they'll brag about how men are stronger and faster than women, and in the next moment, they'll claim women are the actual oppressors. "Men are physically superior and more aggressive than women" and "Women murder and rape men just as much as the other way around—no, women are MORE dangerous than men!" are two beliefs plenty of MRAs hold simultaneously, somehow lol.

Men are stronger, and yet, are at the overwhelming mercy of women when it comes to violent crime. Men are rational, and yet, are easily manipulated by cunning women. Men are more likely to be world leaders, and yet, women are the ones pulling the strings and punishing men in our evil "matriarchal" society.

MRAs, redpillers, etc., are usually willing to acknowledge biological differences, but they don't bother with understanding those differences beyond a surface level or their preferred biases.

[–]ahhale 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

bullshit. women are smarter, deeper and stronger. smarter cus look up iq (woken outperform) and academical success. deeper cus women are more emotionally/socially complex and care less about their partner looks. stronger cus humans survive not by utilising raw muscle power but by being endurant and stable, women are more endurant and stable. seriously stfu about this shit it woukd make 0 fucking sense for limited bio resource (ie women) to be incompetent. we are judged harsher by nature and wouldnt survive if we were pathetic. moids on the other hand just invest in destruction and annoy everyone to death, but biologically they are retarded and untalented

[–]Airbus320 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

We should have a blackpillscience sub here like those braincels used to have in reddit

[–]storyendingnever 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

It is fascinating indeed. And the nice thing about being able to discuss (or just read) and disagree is that you have the chance to actually analyze what you believe and figure out whether it makes sense and become a stronger part of your system, or whether you picked up some nonsense along the way and need to work through some things logically and make changes. People aren't really taught critical thinking in school (have they ever?), and even in the adult world, conservative or liberal, there is very little civil discussion or analysis, and the liberals, especially, are getting very good at censoring people they don't agree with (i.e., women you might find here).

[–]Airbus320 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

You can always talk to u/jet199!