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[–]Mnemonic 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

So are you denying there's occultists practicing ritual pedophilia and child sacrifice?

No and I would like to know how I gave that impression.

I'm denying 'the occult' is a bad thing as a definition and reaffirming my stance that it (the pedo thing) is a human problem: either sought after by themselves or pressured into by a group (and possibly guided by shady ass dogmatic texts).

[–]magnora7 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

But it's a specific group doing this. Whatever name they go by is kind of irrelevant...

This isn't a "human problem" this is a "powerful people formed a secret society to control each other" problem

[–]Mnemonic 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You don't have to be elite/wealthy to rape children provided by organized crime, just book a ticket to Cambodia (for example).

I do agree (partially, as I don't see that as the whole problem) on the control part aka you (group) pressure someone into it to get dirt.

But that all, including the group pressuring in it, that's a better 'sniffing' out technique (aka the human condition via psychology/psychiatry) to seek these people out than to relate them to practices that deviate from the (yes I'm gonna say it) Catholic Church's guide lines for 'good' (and good being it's okay to rape/molest kids as long as you're clergy!)[Yes I know I did the Godwin of religions while other have the same problem (search for 'tantra' and you'll find a whole new eastern (inspired) rape culture)].

That's what I mean by "it's a human thing": It's not defined by esoteric readings nor 'weird' magic practices (which every practice in the 'east' is still for westerners, while it's mostly westerners raping child prostitues over there).

I'm trying to get across that defining this 'specific' group as just occult or 'whatever you wanna call the non-existent devil' is an empty lead, or at least one that's easily dodged.

[–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

In Cambodia they have other control systems for their "civilizations" or they simply aren't "civil" about it and just enforce their monopoly on violence and exploitation via simpler direct methods in their culture.

[–]d3rr 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

This is where I got the impression:

Most sex magic involves (for men) either wanking, other men or (literally) MILFs (aka woman who gave birth) and is (in order) about aligning your will, relieving stress or guidance to where you would like to plant your seed.

Raping a child would be like "I'm a hacker" and with your windows machine going on some shady porn-site and downloading the 'virus-scanner' from the pop up

So my takeaway was: there is no occult pedophilia/child rituals because that would be "doing magic wrong". So it seemed kind of dismissive.

I do appreciate you trying to teach me about these things, and showing me the other side/a different perspective on these things.

or pressured into by a group (and possibly guided by shady ass dogmatic texts).

Yes this is what I am saying, and I suspect this is happening. I think there is some kind of Baphomet cult out there or something. Some kind of group could easily be pressuring members to assault kids for whatever reason. Maybe just to prove they are really in and to have blackmail material for if they try to leave or spill the beans. Or maybe it's the old child blood drinking that has supposedly always been going on. Or maybe they assault each other's kids on purpose so that they can raise sociopaths- on purpose. Or maybe it's all part of someone's specific plan for shedding their humanity and becoming godlike.

[–]Mnemonic 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

So it seemed kind of dismissive.

I can see that a bit, what I tried to do was explain who ehm weird/twisted it child/human sacrifice or sex-magic with unwilling participants. Now if you would only look up 'tantra' you will get more then enough derailed sex-cults with abuse based on 'sex magic', so I'm trying to explain the difference between 2 gun-nuts: 1 fires it at the shooting range and 2 fires it at his/her school: There is more to the difference that just noting the location.

I do share your musings in the last paragraph. Maybe one more thing about 'blood':

Blood as used by Jesus is a word that can also be translated to something in english best expressed as soul (only not linked to the ego as it is mostly used in english). In alchemic/esoteric texts there is the same usage of 'blood' which would give a whole other meaning to blood sacrifice, blood-bond, blood oath etc.

Now what if some random egdelord comes across a alchemical text about 'wealth' or 'eternal life' or whatever cool stuff they used to mask their knowledge of the spirit transformation? 'Oh okay so I need blood, a virgin and have my seed absorb it... So I kill a girl and jack off on it right?'

I did read a Shakti-tantra collection in which their was this ritual which did require blood, menstrual blood to be precise, wine and semen, mix it together and drink it. (Seems like that 'one week' of the month in the local swingers club) but yeah India and Hinduism do have some next level: LOL let's eat some roasted flesh of the dead and down a bottle of alcohol to get visions started mentality. (and I read a 1930ies translation to English so it could well be the translator having a cocaine fueled nightmare because handwritten Sanskrit is HARD)

To conclude: “With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion.” ~ Steven Weinberg

And magic is religion for the individual as religion is magic for the masses, it is a human that goes 'LOL I need to sacrifice/rape a human/child'.*

*most animal sacrifices are eaten afterwards, the sacrifice ceremony is a cleansing-ish ritual or thaning ritual. Even in the bible it's been noted that the priests (and if there is any left the rest of the clergy) ate the Jewish sacrifices. [Probably why Jesus isn't a 'cool' guy in that religion (because he is a prophet in Islam) he pointed out the greedy fat fuckers]

[–]d3rr 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I think I see where you're at with this. It's an oversimplification to say Luciferianism (or occult or magic) is bad, like saying Christianity is good.

I'll say what I say to people who don't like me using the word Zionist- give me a more accurate label and I will use that instead. "Extremist occultists" maybe.

Edit: And you seem to trash all religion but Luciferianism is religion too?

[–]Mnemonic 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Edit: And you seem to trash all religion but Luciferianism is religion too?

Though (if you can speak of it as one, it's more splinters with a same-ish philosophy behind wildly different practices) it's not based on worship nor on absolute 'texts of truth'. This makes dialogue, criticism and rejection a thing this sort of religion can take without getting mad/murderous.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

A++

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Time to open up a Memphis BBQ church that demands regular sacrifices.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

To conclude: “With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion.” ~ Steven Weinberg

Or debt bondage and service to a corporation.

[–]d3rr 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

What if I say Frankism instead of Luciferianism? It's an offshoot of organized religion. This is the trail I'm trying to track down, I'm not trying to demonize Luciferianism (ha!) which some may view as more of a philosophy thing: http://www.renegadetribune.com/influence-sabbatian-frankism-world/

[–]Mnemonic 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Heh I though frankism was a reference to the franklin(g?) thingie... before I read it.

Hmm yeah maybe. I'm not into personal cults, for the obvious reason of, well everything I try to preach.

That's also where (modern) Tantra-cults go wrong, the get a western following of 'woo-woo' people who think the (presumed) guru is god-like (instead of a teacher, and you don't FUCK the teacher ;)) and so on. But this is exact the thing 'cults'!

If the journey is inward, tell me , how the F&(&%% do you get into cults!? Money and sexual 'pleasure' (though this is debatable and I would be one of the front-runners to claim it's sex as Mc-Donalds is a hamburger).

BUT you can trace this also to political factions, corporate environments, (higher) education and you can sum up pretty much every 'group' you can imagine where these perverted hierarchies (sometimes, not always) rise up. It's power with a written or unwritten dictate of overwhelming authority.

[I didn't read it all, the article, but bookmarked it. It's more a historic thing than really of use in any esoteric practice, to delve into it for meaning: I do believe self fellatio is a better life goal]

[–]d3rr 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

This Sabbatean Frankist cult was supposedly into pedophilia that's why I link them. They're tied forward in history to Khabbalah and probably backwards in history to the old Mystery Babylon stuff. Also crossover to the Templars. Someday I hope to dig into it.

[–]Mnemonic 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I like this (I'm not sure, like yourself) but it pins it down a WHOLE lot more. It's like zooming in on a castle of Sadam instead of saying 'Iraq has WMDs' you got a (highly) probable dick in sight.

If saidit was THE tool to knowlegde: You and mag7 would be the Guru's, you guide everyone through the steps of handling 'the saidit' for which you're appreciated and the role a guide/master/guru should have (you can point things out but the realisation has to come from within). But when you reach up my skirt or order me (or any other) to suck whatever you got down there you're a horny piece of shit which I wouldn't trust with flushing my shits.*

*Also other unearned authoritarian stuff. But you two) can be authoritarian when you explain how you use or how you percieve the code working for saidit. I could go "Aww man that's shit" but that dissagreement doesn't make you a piece of shit in anyway, in fact it would make me a piece of shit for calling you a piece of shit over that sort of disagreement. Now that whole dynamic (which hold a LOT more cases not discussed but you can conjure them up {Or is your conjure level not up to level :p }) is healthy but if You or mag7 got a rain tumor/injury it could easily change and all your (not saying you all are making a cult, this is {hypothetically} principles and your HC ({hardcore, why did I try to shortcut that anyway? :P}) following would change with your change... How (would) does that relate to the principle 'self/inward journey' that all of the occult ever was!?

It's (easy) to explain how one who 'traveled in the soul' has a better knowlegde of manipulating people, because we all start with the same firmware: just different hardware (though only the fuel/energy/consciousness is of the same source).

A cult is a scriptkiddie wrap: You gonna get busted (killed by your members or authority) and you didn't even know what you were copy/pasting.

I would recommend (and not as a go-to thing) taking these lyrics to the max of literacy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IsSpAOD6K8

[I do have more songs/media, but because Baphomet was already equated to Lucifer and all, I best keep back ;) You know Ghost, they are wholesome trolls!]

[–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The Franklin Scandal with George Bush Sr. and Reagan, among many other things - like Boystown.

[–]MrDarkWater 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

why?

because it generally never produces anything good. and it generally produces or leads too evil shit.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

A++