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[–]d3rr 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (56 children)

Imo the missing link is Luciferianism

[–]Mnemonic 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (55 children)

That's just America's favorite 'It ain't me' argument. Putting words together that the church sees as evil and thereby creating a concept that only exists as an 'easy go to' rhetoric meme aka 'You know, the Bad guys...'

Because 'Luciferianism' is truthful about the personal journey and acknowledges that everyone practicing it can be either Demon or Angel (as a parable), much like the Zen-Buddhist claim, it's an easy scapegoat because many people are indoctrinated that their belief/way produces only angels.

Like wikipedia says:

Luciferianism is a belief system that venerates the essential characteristics that are affixed to Lucifer. The tradition, influenced by Gnosticism, usually reveres Lucifer not as the devil, but as a liberator, a guardian or guiding spirit, or even the true god as opposed to Jehovah.

and

Traditional dogma is shunned as a basis for morality on the grounds that humans should not need deities or fear of eternal punishment to distinguish right from wrong and to do good.

Instead off going on a rant about all the groups that claim to be 'literately the good guys because of this book we misinterpret and mistranslate all the time'

I'll give /u/Snow the credits for pointing it all out in his second paragraph in it's core it's a human thing and estrangement of society and/or local-society is a considerable factor in the 'getting the pedo vibes'. For Elite/wealthy families there is a dogmatic approach for a lot of normal interactions: They can't go drink in the local pub nor be seen hooking up with someone they like on a festival, that's bad for their appearance. A bit like the incel movement: They have such strict/absurd ideas about normal interactions that it's something that can easily derail into 'werid' shit because it has to be done in seclusion anyway.

But let's not forget: also non-elites can be pedos.

[–]d3rr 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (37 children)

Maybe Luciferian isn't the right word, but elite pedophilia has been tied to "the occult" on numerous occasions. Victims report ceremonies, etc. I don't think this angle can be dismissed, and it gets us closer to answering why.

[–]Mnemonic 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (32 children)

I can agree a lot more with this, but... :p

Occult == 'knowledge of the hidden' or (because of TV) 'knowledge of the paranormal'.

There are two (generally speaking) perspectives on how to view hidden: 'secrets among friends/members' and 'magic, ritual, etc. {or the will/thought of that occurring: aka you think you are doing magic and therefor perform rituals while you are not} '

Now the Epstein case is a clear 'secret among friends/members' thingie, fetish sharing, just the wrong fetish. (In earlier times certain knowlegde, even basic maths, could be seen as 'THE DEVIL' so certain groups held these 'secrets' hidden (occult) and the church didn't like that. That's why I clarify that the Epstein case (and pedoism in general) is a BAD thing to keep occult, while there are good things like math or... a surprise party for example).

Now for the magic part I recommend the latest higher-side chat: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4xGJKKAMqk (Skipping the part about his jungle trip (double entendre) Gordon talks some real shizzle straight out of my mouth, although he's a bit to much going along with Greg's interruptions {about hybrids} but he's a smooth talker too and bends it over into a critique of AI/trans-humanism (not) taking over. I listened to it this morning because I was up two hours too early for work and while lying half asleep listening I thought I was dreaming when Gordon spoke about magic, rituals and the elite, defended Gnosticism and all.

Most sex magic involves (for men) either wanking, other men or (literally) MILFs (aka woman who gave birth) and is (in order) about aligning your will, relieving stress or guidance to where you would like to plant your seed.

Raping a child would be like "I'm a hacker" and with your windows machine going on some shady porn-site and downloading the 'virus-scanner' from the pop up. (or as /u/Tom_Bombadil suggested and I think also has merit: setting your self up for blackmail) To complete my analogy: Yeah! you did it, you followed the 'code' but the code was made by con artists... mwahmwah

It's like the story of Gilles de Rais : He listened to the church for how these 'satanists/devil worshipers' raised the dead and got their powers and went along doing exactly those horrific things the church said they did.

[–]d3rr 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (31 children)

So are you denying there's occultists practicing ritual pedophilia and child sacrifice? I can dig up some victim testimonies and other evidence about it.

The Epstein case is probably not occult related, agreed.

[–]Mnemonic 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

So are you denying there's occultists practicing ritual pedophilia and child sacrifice?

No and I would like to know how I gave that impression.

I'm denying 'the occult' is a bad thing as a definition and reaffirming my stance that it (the pedo thing) is a human problem: either sought after by themselves or pressured into by a group (and possibly guided by shady ass dogmatic texts).

[–]magnora7 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

But it's a specific group doing this. Whatever name they go by is kind of irrelevant...

This isn't a "human problem" this is a "powerful people formed a secret society to control each other" problem

[–]Mnemonic 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You don't have to be elite/wealthy to rape children provided by organized crime, just book a ticket to Cambodia (for example).

I do agree (partially, as I don't see that as the whole problem) on the control part aka you (group) pressure someone into it to get dirt.

But that all, including the group pressuring in it, that's a better 'sniffing' out technique (aka the human condition via psychology/psychiatry) to seek these people out than to relate them to practices that deviate from the (yes I'm gonna say it) Catholic Church's guide lines for 'good' (and good being it's okay to rape/molest kids as long as you're clergy!)[Yes I know I did the Godwin of religions while other have the same problem (search for 'tantra' and you'll find a whole new eastern (inspired) rape culture)].

That's what I mean by "it's a human thing": It's not defined by esoteric readings nor 'weird' magic practices (which every practice in the 'east' is still for westerners, while it's mostly westerners raping child prostitues over there).

I'm trying to get across that defining this 'specific' group as just occult or 'whatever you wanna call the non-existent devil' is an empty lead, or at least one that's easily dodged.

[–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

In Cambodia they have other control systems for their "civilizations" or they simply aren't "civil" about it and just enforce their monopoly on violence and exploitation via simpler direct methods in their culture.

[–]d3rr 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

This is where I got the impression:

Most sex magic involves (for men) either wanking, other men or (literally) MILFs (aka woman who gave birth) and is (in order) about aligning your will, relieving stress or guidance to where you would like to plant your seed.

Raping a child would be like "I'm a hacker" and with your windows machine going on some shady porn-site and downloading the 'virus-scanner' from the pop up

So my takeaway was: there is no occult pedophilia/child rituals because that would be "doing magic wrong". So it seemed kind of dismissive.

I do appreciate you trying to teach me about these things, and showing me the other side/a different perspective on these things.

or pressured into by a group (and possibly guided by shady ass dogmatic texts).

Yes this is what I am saying, and I suspect this is happening. I think there is some kind of Baphomet cult out there or something. Some kind of group could easily be pressuring members to assault kids for whatever reason. Maybe just to prove they are really in and to have blackmail material for if they try to leave or spill the beans. Or maybe it's the old child blood drinking that has supposedly always been going on. Or maybe they assault each other's kids on purpose so that they can raise sociopaths- on purpose. Or maybe it's all part of someone's specific plan for shedding their humanity and becoming godlike.

[–]Mnemonic 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

So it seemed kind of dismissive.

I can see that a bit, what I tried to do was explain who ehm weird/twisted it child/human sacrifice or sex-magic with unwilling participants. Now if you would only look up 'tantra' you will get more then enough derailed sex-cults with abuse based on 'sex magic', so I'm trying to explain the difference between 2 gun-nuts: 1 fires it at the shooting range and 2 fires it at his/her school: There is more to the difference that just noting the location.

I do share your musings in the last paragraph. Maybe one more thing about 'blood':

Blood as used by Jesus is a word that can also be translated to something in english best expressed as soul (only not linked to the ego as it is mostly used in english). In alchemic/esoteric texts there is the same usage of 'blood' which would give a whole other meaning to blood sacrifice, blood-bond, blood oath etc.

Now what if some random egdelord comes across a alchemical text about 'wealth' or 'eternal life' or whatever cool stuff they used to mask their knowledge of the spirit transformation? 'Oh okay so I need blood, a virgin and have my seed absorb it... So I kill a girl and jack off on it right?'

I did read a Shakti-tantra collection in which their was this ritual which did require blood, menstrual blood to be precise, wine and semen, mix it together and drink it. (Seems like that 'one week' of the month in the local swingers club) but yeah India and Hinduism do have some next level: LOL let's eat some roasted flesh of the dead and down a bottle of alcohol to get visions started mentality. (and I read a 1930ies translation to English so it could well be the translator having a cocaine fueled nightmare because handwritten Sanskrit is HARD)

To conclude: “With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion.” ~ Steven Weinberg

And magic is religion for the individual as religion is magic for the masses, it is a human that goes 'LOL I need to sacrifice/rape a human/child'.*

*most animal sacrifices are eaten afterwards, the sacrifice ceremony is a cleansing-ish ritual or thaning ritual. Even in the bible it's been noted that the priests (and if there is any left the rest of the clergy) ate the Jewish sacrifices. [Probably why Jesus isn't a 'cool' guy in that religion (because he is a prophet in Islam) he pointed out the greedy fat fuckers]

[–]d3rr 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I think I see where you're at with this. It's an oversimplification to say Luciferianism (or occult or magic) is bad, like saying Christianity is good.

I'll say what I say to people who don't like me using the word Zionist- give me a more accurate label and I will use that instead. "Extremist occultists" maybe.

Edit: And you seem to trash all religion but Luciferianism is religion too?

[–]Mnemonic 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Edit: And you seem to trash all religion but Luciferianism is religion too?

Though (if you can speak of it as one, it's more splinters with a same-ish philosophy behind wildly different practices) it's not based on worship nor on absolute 'texts of truth'. This makes dialogue, criticism and rejection a thing this sort of religion can take without getting mad/murderous.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

A++

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Time to open up a Memphis BBQ church that demands regular sacrifices.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

To conclude: “With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion.” ~ Steven Weinberg

Or debt bondage and service to a corporation.

[–]d3rr 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

What if I say Frankism instead of Luciferianism? It's an offshoot of organized religion. This is the trail I'm trying to track down, I'm not trying to demonize Luciferianism (ha!) which some may view as more of a philosophy thing: http://www.renegadetribune.com/influence-sabbatian-frankism-world/

[–]Mnemonic 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Heh I though frankism was a reference to the franklin(g?) thingie... before I read it.

Hmm yeah maybe. I'm not into personal cults, for the obvious reason of, well everything I try to preach.

That's also where (modern) Tantra-cults go wrong, the get a western following of 'woo-woo' people who think the (presumed) guru is god-like (instead of a teacher, and you don't FUCK the teacher ;)) and so on. But this is exact the thing 'cults'!

If the journey is inward, tell me , how the F&(&%% do you get into cults!? Money and sexual 'pleasure' (though this is debatable and I would be one of the front-runners to claim it's sex as Mc-Donalds is a hamburger).

BUT you can trace this also to political factions, corporate environments, (higher) education and you can sum up pretty much every 'group' you can imagine where these perverted hierarchies (sometimes, not always) rise up. It's power with a written or unwritten dictate of overwhelming authority.

[I didn't read it all, the article, but bookmarked it. It's more a historic thing than really of use in any esoteric practice, to delve into it for meaning: I do believe self fellatio is a better life goal]

[–]d3rr 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

This Sabbatean Frankist cult was supposedly into pedophilia that's why I link them. They're tied forward in history to Khabbalah and probably backwards in history to the old Mystery Babylon stuff. Also crossover to the Templars. Someday I hope to dig into it.

[–]Mnemonic 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I like this (I'm not sure, like yourself) but it pins it down a WHOLE lot more. It's like zooming in on a castle of Sadam instead of saying 'Iraq has WMDs' you got a (highly) probable dick in sight.

If saidit was THE tool to knowlegde: You and mag7 would be the Guru's, you guide everyone through the steps of handling 'the saidit' for which you're appreciated and the role a guide/master/guru should have (you can point things out but the realisation has to come from within). But when you reach up my skirt or order me (or any other) to suck whatever you got down there you're a horny piece of shit which I wouldn't trust with flushing my shits.*

*Also other unearned authoritarian stuff. But you two) can be authoritarian when you explain how you use or how you percieve the code working for saidit. I could go "Aww man that's shit" but that dissagreement doesn't make you a piece of shit in anyway, in fact it would make me a piece of shit for calling you a piece of shit over that sort of disagreement. Now that whole dynamic (which hold a LOT more cases not discussed but you can conjure them up {Or is your conjure level not up to level :p }) is healthy but if You or mag7 got a rain tumor/injury it could easily change and all your (not saying you all are making a cult, this is {hypothetically} principles and your HC ({hardcore, why did I try to shortcut that anyway? :P}) following would change with your change... How (would) does that relate to the principle 'self/inward journey' that all of the occult ever was!?

It's (easy) to explain how one who 'traveled in the soul' has a better knowlegde of manipulating people, because we all start with the same firmware: just different hardware (though only the fuel/energy/consciousness is of the same source).

A cult is a scriptkiddie wrap: You gonna get busted (killed by your members or authority) and you didn't even know what you were copy/pasting.

I would recommend (and not as a go-to thing) taking these lyrics to the max of literacy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IsSpAOD6K8

[I do have more songs/media, but because Baphomet was already equated to Lucifer and all, I best keep back ;) You know Ghost, they are wholesome trolls!]

[–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The Franklin Scandal with George Bush Sr. and Reagan, among many other things - like Boystown.

[–]MrDarkWater 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

why?

because it generally never produces anything good. and it generally produces or leads too evil shit.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

A++

[–]Tom_Bombadil 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Epstein does have some unusual buildings and decorate at his island.

[–]d3rr 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yes. Is that temple that he has the Jewish Solomon's temple? They could very well be up to some occult stuff but I haven't seen evidence of that yet.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

We should try to convince that area 51 invasion force to launch an assault on Epstein island.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

So does Vegas, Burning Man, and interesting architecture all across Europe and the world.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

No doubt.

If those places were of limits to the public, and run by an Epstein analogue then they should be examined, as well.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Off limits is one thing. All secrecy should be suspect.

But unique architecture is not suspect alone.

Giant sculptures of owls in the forest and man-goats with tits is another story.

[–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Like the OP, you are blurring and confusing many issues that overlap but are not exclusive nor indicative of any one thing.

I bet there are elite pedos who don't do any of the ritual shit. I bet there are elites who do the ritual shit but not kids.

What ever it takes to be an asshole, and feel like they are empowered and justified - that's what they'll do - whether it's just in action, in authentic belief, to fit in with their peers, or whatever.

It's just other "communities" of the ruling classes overlapping like Venn diagrams.

[–]d3rr 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Imma find them. It's the Mystery Babylon / Sabbatean Frankist / Illuminati cult I think.

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Also look into The Venetians. Webster Tarpley lectures are a good place to start.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

This is how it is.

Religions cults do not have as monopoly on rape, torture, and murder.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Correct. Only dogmas do.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Nihilists can also rape, torture, and murder.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

But that's not why they do.

Atheists can be "evil" too but that's not why.

"I'm evil because I don't believe in God," literally makes no sense.

"I'm evil because I don't believe pigs can fly," literally makes no sense.

"I'm evil because I don't believe Tom is Elivis' love child with a Martian," literally makes no sense.

"I'm evil because I don't believe life has meaning," literally makes no sense.

"I'm evil because I'm a sadistic twisted fuck who enjoys it," makes sense. Change it for any reason that makes sense - revenge, anger, jealousy, etc.

[–]Snow[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I think I should start a thread to discuss "Why many high profile people participate black magic ceremonies?"

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Occult just means "knowledge of the hidden" or "knowledge of the paranormal", as opposed to facts and "knowledge of the measurable". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occult

[–]d3rr 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I've gotten my qualifiers sorted out now! Extreme occult occult Luciferianism. Or if you prefer, extreme occult occult Judaism.

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I just call them Ziocons for short.

[–]Snow[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Agree, many people looking for a fictional character being the scapegoat for their own problem.

[–]magnora7 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Blaming scientology for being evil doesn't mean I think Xenu is real....

I think the hate is for the organization, not the fictional beings they worship

[–]Mnemonic 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I do think this is exactly what /u/Snow meant, just poorly/wrongly/differently worded.

[–]Zizzle 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (12 children)

You heard it here folks, Lucifer is really the good guy! That's why the statue of Baphomet has the children around it, because they just want to save the innocent children.

[–]Mnemonic 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

You're mixing LaVey-satanism, Catholic superstition, and pre-Christian religions.

Baphomet is an idol of a deity that the Knights Templar were accused of worshipping and that subsequently was incorporated into disparate occult and mystical traditions.

A literal scapegoat ;)

[–]d3rr 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

[–]Mnemonic 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

So is that before or after the King of France decided to burn the Templar (Friday the 13th comes from this) because he didn't wanted to pay his debt?

Also, goat/ram heads were a thing WAY before Christians (aka Romans) ever set a foots in Europe.

[–]d3rr 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

This Sabbatean Frankists got started in 1666. Not sure about the rest. I know shit for history because I'm an ugly American. They were involved in the French revolution.

[–]Mnemonic 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

This wasn't related to Frankists ;)

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Mnemo schooling the d3rr. A++

[–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

[–]d3rr 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

No, I'm pretty sure that Lady Rothschild is Lynn Forester de Rothschild.

aside:

On the announcement of the marriage, the Rothschild couple were invited to spend their honeymoon at the White House by the Clintons.

https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynn_Forester_de_Rothschild

[–]Tom_Bombadil 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Got it. That detail amplifies reinforces the Clinton-Epstein relationship.

To bad this info wasn't presented in Fox news.

Edited.

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It's suspicious but not evidence.
My grandma had a thing for giraffes.
Also there's a huge difference between a sheep ram's head and a goats head.

[–]d3rr 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Good call man, most of these are Rams heads.

Ram’s horn heralds hierarchy in the flock of sheep or animal kingdom. If interpreted, it implies prominence and power.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

So if Baphomet was a scapegoat... And Putin is a Russian troll scapegoat....

Could Putin be Baphomet?!!

/s

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

A++