What should the limits be on sub moderators?
submitted 10 months ago * by magnora7 from (self.AskSaidIt)
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[–]OmegaUser296 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun - 10 months ago* (35 children)
Hi, this is off topic but just wanted to ask about a possible rule, limiting how many subs one person can moderate that way we never get someone like N8thegr8 from reddit, I'd say 100 would make for a good limit that way it's high enough that any one person would only hit it if their hoarding subs cough u/JasonCarswell is getting close to hoarding subs as of late cough
[–]magnora7[S] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun - 10 months ago (10 children)
Yeah an absolute limit on subs might not be a bad idea.
[–]Yhvr 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun - 10 months ago (2 children)
Maybe have no limit to modding some things, like CSS. But limits on others, like banning.
[–]magnora7[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun - 10 months ago (0 children)
That's an interesting idea too, I like that.
[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun - 10 months ago (0 children)
Thanks for that great idea.
To no one in particular:
I'm not interested in hoarding subs. I'm not interested in wielding power. I DEFY ANYONE to prove otherwise.
I like having subs to put things in. If there was a Justice or Law or Legal or Unfairness or RiggedSystems sub then I could post stuff there - regardless if I made it or not. I'm only making them where I see voids. Plus a few projects.
I wanna do design on the subs to make them custom and build a better community. If you think my designs suck you can tell me and I might take in your ideas and improve them. If everyone wants to vote on the aesthetics of SaidIt and ban all the banners and CSS, I'll vote for my choice but go along with what ever happens.
I have one more good day on my CSS before I can say they are all "done". I have already started by I'm also inviting people to co-mod. Many of the subs in "my list" are already shared by many others. The number of subs is not NEARLY as important as what you do with them.
Tell all those empty sub people to fuck off before anyone tells me how to live my life. I'm totally sick of whining slackers.
[–]OmegaUser296 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun - 10 months ago (6 children)
I hope a limit get's added, I say 50 that way people can still moderate a lot of subs but not hoard them.
[–]magnora7[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun - 10 months ago (0 children)
Honestly though they'll probably just create another username. But the hard limit is probably a good idea regardless.
[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun - 10 months ago (4 children)
Define what this evil "HOARDING" is and why it's only bad .
[–]OmegaUser296 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun - 10 months ago (3 children)
Because if someone has say over 50 subs there is no way in heck their actually continuing to moderate each sub and sure as heck won't be able to give much individual attention to each sub.
[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun - 10 months ago (2 children)
You're under the assumption that those are all high volume subs.
On SaidIt there have been more than 50 subs for a while and d3rr claimed he had read every single post and sub. I don't know if he still does that or not. When he speaks it usually matters. I don't think he's human. What I think doesn't matter.
Who are you to determine what "matters" anyway? How much individual attention is enough? Start quantifying and qualifying some stuff and I might start to take you seriously.
[–]OmegaUser296 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun - 10 months ago (1 child)
Okay please read my comment in which I pinged/mentioned you before you continue to be hostile please.
[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun - 10 months ago (0 children)
I'm working my way through my messages using context. Apologies if my order of response is meh.
[–]JasonCarswell 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun - 10 months ago* (17 children)
I've been here longer than you. I didn't make all those subs. I was invited into many of them. I'm adding CSS to them, adding banners, and trying to find mods to share or give them to. I am not hoarding them and I resent you saying that, obviously without knowing anything about it. Further, if I was some kind of malevolent mod hoarder I would have actually used my all-mighty mod powers by now. I don't even know how yet. I'M NOT A REDDITOR and I reject any notions to conform to that site's failed culture or your limiting opinions on what I can or cannot do. So check yourself before you come at me again.
Also, I'm not against a democratic decision to determine a limit, though no one has adequately given a rational reason why, other than abuses. If someone abuses power they should be dealt with, regardless of whether they have one sub or a thousand. A person who kills another should be dealt with, regardless if they did it by accident, or in hate, hate for their skin, religion, or an ex-girlfriend. Just deal with the crime, not the what-if bullshit.
[–]send_nasty_stuff 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun - 10 months ago (0 children)
I don't think he was trying to be malicious towards you. Just pointing out that you sit on a lot of subs and in the future someone else could abuse that type of influence. You've be an amazing person and very helpful so far and I support you. Reddit certainly has some user that abuse their influence/sell it, etc. We are all trying to watch out for that.
[–]OmegaUser296 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun - 10 months ago (15 children)
I understand all of that but if your there to help with the CSS and not the moderation then leaving the subs after awhile would be a good course of action that way it dosen't seem like your sub hoarding.
I am not trying to limit opinions or anything I only stated that due to a DM where you stated you would prefer more subs over credit which made it seem like your intent was partly to hoard subs, I am sorrry if that wasn't your intent in any way I had misunderstood.
[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun - 10 months ago (14 children)
So stop telling me how to mod and trying to put limits on me.
Who fucking cares if me or some chucklehead hoards subs? Why is your nose up his ass? As long as he's not a dick. If all of a sudden he turns into some CIA shill then M7D3 can pull his plug and he can start trying to hoard again under another alias.
I'll finish my fucking CSS when I finish it. I'll give my subs away when I'm 1) done, 2) ready and 3) can find some worthy people to hand off to. And while there seems to be no shortage of whiners here all the worthy folks are busy doing and building and making shit happen so the slackers can sit back and suck on our works and complain about it.
I don't know what DM is.
I want way more subs to better organize the content on SaidIt. If I have a post that fits under Law/Justice/Injustice/Legal/RiggedSystems/Voting - there's nothing for it. I'd be happier with metatags or categories but we don't have that yet. Subsaidits are the systems I'm working with. I don't give a fuck if I made the sub or not. If I made the sub then I'm sure as fuck going to put my "Ergonomix " CSS on it to make it easier to read and use.
I want way more subs as options to file my posts. That's it. I don't care who owns them.
I would say you can take most of mine but you're being a dick so I'd have to wait and see whether you are a dick or not. If you did take them then maybe you'd see a bunch of folks irrationally shitting on you for simply having subs, regardless if you're a maniacal malevolent mod or an absentee mod, or even something in between.
[–]OmegaUser296 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun - 10 months ago (13 children)
Okay I'm not trying to personally attack you, your just an example because you own a high amount of subs without any intent to stop.
DM = Direct Message
And all I'm saying is that there should be a hard limit of subs per user of ~50 or something so no one person can mod to much of the subs and in turn not have to much control over the narratives.
[–]send_nasty_stuff 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun - 10 months ago (9 children)
I will attest that at least one of the subs jason has is modded by me and I invited him and he has been helpful. He wasn't pushy or anything to come over and be a mod. We are just a very small site right now so a lot of the new power users just look very busy with forming lots of subs.
[–]OmegaUser296 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun - 10 months ago* (5 children)
I understand and u/JasonCarswell (I pinged because I want you to know) if your willing to once the right users come along and this site grows give those subs to other users, then your doing nothing wrong.
I'd only used you as an example due to your high Sub count I understand your not Hoarding for personal gain.
Edit: Improved content and Format
[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun - 10 months ago (3 children)
Even if I kept them all and more I'd still be doing nothing wrong.
When I do something wrong, only then will I have done something wrong.
We do not need pre-crime police here.
[–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun - 9 months ago (2 children)
[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun - 9 months ago (1 child)
The Autobahn became famous for not having any speed limits.
Q: If you add a speed limit to the Autobahn, what do you get?
A: You turn a free-way into just another shitty highway.
It may be riskier in some ways. In other ways not. Between Toronto and Windsor is 4 hours of the boring-est highway and LOTS of people die every year from falling asleep driving it.
Fast or slow, if someone fucks up, survives, and is responsible, then they must be held accountable. Not before. Not preemptively.
"The only thing we have to fear is fear of crime itself that hasn't happened yet and making up silly limits." ~ J.F.D.Rooseveltbergensteiniki
Deal with evil when evil comes. In one sub or a thousand.
Otherwise stop using me as an example and fuck off. I'm not evil and resent being compared to it.
If I fuck 50 girls don't put a limit on me because there's a rapist around town.
d3rr has 58 and I'm not envious of his prowess nor hold it against him.
magnora7 has 90 subs.
All my subs, in order of conception, maker first:
That means only 8 are mine exclusively plus my 4 projects with my aliases.
And somewhere in there I made /s/WatchPeopleDie, un-modded, and gifted that away to someone who wanted it badly before their 2 weeks were up.
/s/altrightwebm I joined to help with their CSS. I've had a shitty 2 weeks in pain and haven't yet. When I'm done I'm gonna jump off it. I'm anarcho-Marxist anyway.
From the beginning and since then I have always invited magnora7 and d3rr. magnora7 has never accepted but I have not recinded. d3rr stopped accepting after a while as he said it might not look good collecting a bunch. Nonetheless he's still there, for when I'm not, and if/when I eject. There are no other complicated reasons why that I'm aware of.
Get off my dick. You crazy.
[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun - 10 months ago* (2 children)
Thanks for the support. I haven't forgotten you. You are still in my messages. I've had a shitty 2 weeks.
Meanwhile, bust my balls when I do something wrong. Not before. Don't let your imaginations go wild over numbers of subs, empty, full, busy, or trickling.
[–]send_nasty_stuff 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun - 10 months ago* (1 child)
I wasn't the one ball busting. I just agreed with the sub limit rule idea. I think it's natural for people in our truther/dissident community to be hyper skeptical of people so it doesn't normally bother me when people challenge me or question my motives. In fact I expect it. We've been gaslit for years by the media/corporate/military machine and we are all a bit on edge. I think a lot of the men in the movement are also trying to find their masculinity again so it's a space with people that like to challenge and be a bit aggressive.
I know you weren't. I still want people to call me on my shit so I can learn from it.
But I don't want limits put on me or anyone out of fear of crimes they haven't committed.
If this was my own site would anyone tell me how many articles I could write?
Are there limits on YouTube about how many videos you can make? (Actually I think four a day - but that could go on accumulating for years, like Pewdypie.)
I already have the 1 sub/week limit and will abide by that. I don't agree with it but I will respect it.
I have asked people what subs they are going to make and most people don't even think about it. I could count on one hand how many have asked about my future plans. I find that shocking. No one here has any foresight or ambition to plan things out or to find ways to cultivate this community and culture. Maybe it won't matter. Maybe it will bite us in the ass fatally.
I embrace skepticism. But fear and limits aren't that.
Lastly with all this energy wasted, someone could have learned to code and build metatags or categories for SaidIt and I would no longer want any subs, kinda like Steemit.
DUDE, I already fucking said I filled up all the pressing subs and am going to focus on my own projects.
Read my tedious rant: https://saidit.net/s/GlossedOver/comments/m08/my_may_day_indulgent_sub_surge/
As long as people continue to make shitty subs I'm gonna make my subs with intent to serve the greater good of SaidIt as best as I know how.
If you think /s/fashwave (EDM for fascists), /s/traaaaaaannnnnnnnnns (Happy gay sounds), /s/watchpeoplesurvive, /s/MildlyInteresting, and /s/RestrictedSubTest are more worthy than most of mine, then I'm open to hearing how.
Yet you are attacking me and using me as an example and poisoning people against me for NOTHING. I haven't even bothered to learn how to use moderation tools because I don't need to. MOST people on here are not asstrolls.
Now you're moving the goal post about limiting the control over the narratives.
[–]OmegaUser296 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun - 10 months ago (1 child)
[–]send_nasty_stuff 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun - 10 months ago (4 children)
I agree and 50 is probably enough.
[–]OmegaUser296 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun - 10 months ago (3 children)
Yeah above 50 would be overboard.
Maybe if half of them were empty.
[–]OmegaUser296 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun - 10 months ago (1 child)
Okay using yo as an example (sorry) Most of them would be empty without you falsely filling them, without your posts most of your subs would be empty or near it.
[–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun - 10 months ago (0 children)
Me "falsely" filling them is such a loaded straw man.
What if someone, not me, were to set up a bunch of subs and each of those had a YouTube channel with a bot posting every new video to its corresponding sub. And no one else posted there. Does that count as "falsely filling"? And if someone, not me, posted one more post in them would that validate that sub for you.
Your argument is lacking any rational substance.
[–]brickfrog 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun - 10 months ago (0 children)
100% agree, when you see someone sitting in moderation for 50+ subs you already know that person is not actively moderating all those subs. Worse still, if they are not actively moderating then they tend to ignore modmail from those 50+ subs and nothing gets done to fix the sub or improve moderation down the road. Better that there be some sort of limit.
Another important note is having some account with 50-100+ moderation subs leaves those subs vulnerable to hijacking in the case that one account gets hacked. Suddenly all those subs are compromised. Hopefully Saidit admins would be responsive in those circumstances but it would be good to prevent that sort of situation from occurring in the first place.
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