What should the limits be on sub moderators?

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[–]magnora7[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

If the concern is the creation of a site-wide monoculture via echochamer effects, I agree that can be a serious problem

Yes that is the concern exactly.

Not a bad idea, we've thought of post limits before, it's an interesting idea for sure. But that still doesn't resolve the fact the mod deleted my comments because they disagreed with him. That's the problem that brought up this whole situation. Your ideas, good though they are, don't address this censorship-based mod behavior

[–]sawboss 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

But that still doesn't resolve the fact the mod deleted my comments because they disagreed with him.

I haven't seen your posts, but I'll err on the side of free expression and say IMHO your comments should not have been deleted. On the other hand, I can't help thinking that maybe you are just butthurt at having your comments moderated.

[–]magnora7[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Well assuming I did get indeed get censored for no reason other than to censor my opinion, what's your solution?

[–]sawboss 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

All I can say for now is that I urge you not to make rules which unnecessarily create complexity and inhibit free expression. Every new rule has the potential for unanticipated abuse, but especially those which rely on humans (however well-intentioned) to be impartial (we aren't). That's why I've tried to suggest unambiguous site-wide rules which don't rely on the biased judgment mods or admins, and which can potentially be implemented programmatically. Such solutions reduce the burdens on admins and mods, thus promoting harmonious interactions rather than contentious battles over (perceived) unfairness.

[–]magnora7[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

So you have no solution for the mod censorship situation? I agree we shouldn't add unnecessary rules, but this rule seems extremely necessary in order to actually have free expression.

[–]sawboss 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

That whole comment exchange linked by u/happysmash27

https://saidit.net/s/AskSaidIt/comments/m61/what_should_the_limits_be_on_sub_moderators/130v?context=3

It's just ugly. It's a bad look for you and for SaidIt. Lower tier shit. I'm inclined to judge that moderation was required to promote adherence to The Pyramid.

What follows is advice from a pleb who doesn't have your burdens to deal with.

People will shit-post and shit-test. Expect it. Apply a light touch rather than wildly swinging your authority balls around. When action is required, be dispassionate and fair. Don't give the appearance of making threats. If you can't manage, then ask someone who isn't emotionally invested in the exchange to step in for you.

[–]wizzwizz4 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

When action is required, be dispassionate and fair.

I think that's what this is.

[–]happysmash27 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I was wondering why /u/Magnora7's comments were being removed, while mine were not, so I decided to look at them. Removing https://saidit.net/s/Libertarianism/comments/lgq/for_a_libertarian_altright/11od seems fairly understandable, but removing https://saidit.net/s/Libertarianism/comments/lbk/leftist_doublespeak_translator/11gx, not so much.

[–]magnora7[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I agree, that's a fair reading of it. The worst one wasn't my best moment, but the guy is trying to paint libertarianism as anarcho-capitalism, which is just silly. And it seemed to be part of a concerted propaganda effort, and I was pointing that out because I was frustrated with the front page being flooded with it. He removed 6 comments of mine in all though, most were questioning the posts themselves. I could've explained myself better in the moment, I agree.

[–]wizzwizz4 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I agree with this assessment. The first comment was low on the Pyramid of Debate, and the resulting argument fruitless. The second was high on the Pyramid of Debate, and the resulting argument slightly less fruitless.