Saidit, what if we showed who voted on everything?

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[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

Full transparency (except the aliases) should be the way.

This issue is shockingly overblown IMHO.

[–]wizzwizz4 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

I'd like to hear your proposed solution. If we're all overthinking it, please let us know before the programming starts.

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

100% transparency. There's no reason to hide a vote. That's some old fashioned American cock and bull stuff we even practice in Canada. Unless there are thugs threatening you to vote a certain way it should not matter who knows.

[–]wizzwizz4 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

You of all people should know that it's not just thugs who can manipulate your vote (better) if it's known to them, and if you know it's known to them.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

Huh?

I'm talking about affecting your choice - not manipulation of your choice/vote.

[–]wizzwizz4 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

Unless there are thugs threatening you to vote a certain way it should not matter who knows.

It's not just thugs who "threaten" you; social pressures also do so if you know your vote is public.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

whatev

[–]wizzwizz4 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

This… isn't like you at all.

Let's put this another way: How would you react to the headline "Employers Use Voting Information to Discriminate Against Employees Based on Their Political Beliefs"? What about "Threats of Domestic Abuse Lead insert group here to Vote Against Their Interests"?

What benefit of complete transparency would outweigh that?

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Not that the corporatocracy obeys the law much, but your first example is, as it stands VERY illegal by any measure. So is domestic abuse and such.

Is it worse to do a hate crime or a loving crime?

The laws on "hate crimes" are utterly stupid because they are crimes that should be prosecuted as "crimes". Hate and hate speech is sooo utterly subjective.

So too your "theoretical" examples are so subjective and theoretical. And so the rest of us should lose our transparency in the off chance one of the voters is an abusive criminal at home or in the work place? BULL SHIT.

Complete transparency removes all doubt of fuckery - whether by infiltrating actors or by the site administrators. We need to embrace transparency at every level as much as possible, at every chance, no matter how seemingly insignificant to fight back, just as they do, to apply death by a thousand cuts.

[–]wizzwizz4 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Domestic abuse affects a high proportion of the population; more than 20%, iirc. And yes, I know it's illegal, but so is domestic abuse and that doesn't stop it from happening. I'm an idealist, but even I'm pragmatic enough to know that the law isn't followed in its entirety by anyone.

It's more important that people can vote freely than that we can see who other people have voted for. In an ideal society we wouldn't have to make that trade-off, but an ideal society isn't populated by greedy, corrupt humans.

Anyway, you know how cross people are about Facebook's data collection and sharing with the highest bidder? Imagine that, but if Facebook gave out the data freely. (The "breaches" actaully showed that it did, but hey.) People would use that data and add it to the statistical profile on them.

I value my privacy more than the transparency of this site, because if this site goes bad we can make another but I can't make another life for myself.