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[–]Tom_Bombadil[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

I'm a schmuck at dis stuf. I suk.

Any suggestions for the intellectually underdeveloped? ;-)

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

There's a "windows installer" link under "Downloads".

Tech people aren't smarter and they will all die young from sitting 24/7.

[–]OldManCorley 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

Tech people aren't smarter

555-come-on-now, are you saying that you and OP's grasp on technical concepts are the same, despite his or hers admittance to the opposite?

That's not a very smart thing to say...

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Nah, I'm trying to say that me having a grasp on it doesn't make me smarter than OP. It's just a trade skill, not wisdom or general intelligence.

[–]OldManCorley 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Then we disagree. I believe that certain types of intellectual challenges aren't solvable without certain intellectual qualities.

And since I don't believe people choose to be a gas station attendee over being a doctor or other higher paid and higher status jobs, I believe it to be their ability to solve the required challenges that's holding them back more than a satisfaction regarding their situation.

Do you understand math at the same level of Einstein? You can't argue that he was unique as several physicists were working on the same principles and the science community are pretty sure that if it weren't Einstein, then someone else would have come up with the theory of relativity, eventually.

If you say yes, then I'd argue you have a better mind for math then I do because I don't. If you say no but you can learn, you have a better mind for math than than me, because I've tried and failed. If you say no, you agree that there's other people with better minds for math than you.

How does that fit in with the idea that having a grasp on complex matters is just a matter of learning a trade craft?

What about the people flunking trade craft educations? And so on.

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several physicists were working on the same principles

Yeah, I think some Italian beat him to it and published by 2 or 3 years even.

I'd say no, but I can learn, but only to a certain extent. Certainly not to an Einstein extent, but you and I and most people with an ideal environment could learn geometry and trig well enough to teach it at a college or high school or something. A working level math education.

Maybe math isn't the best example, but that's part of my point here too, we were talking about how to install some software. It's not AI programming or climate change model engineering and it doesn't involve math or science at all. Sometimes it's just about having the experience and things look complicated from the outside.

having a grasp on complex matters is just a matter of learning a trade craft?

I guess my argument is that it's not a complex matter. There are complex things going on in tech, so my broad generalization there isn't all that accurate. I guess I think there's been an irrational worship of all things and people in tech with the internet boom that rubs me wrong sometimes.

What about the people flunking trade craft educations?

I imagine that the vast majority had lots of factors stacked against them and chaos in their lives rather than they studied adequately and still failed to grasp the material and get in. But I do accept that some people are too dumb to do certain things.

[–]OldManCorley 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

you and I and most people with an ideal environment could learn geometry and trig well enough to teach it at a college or high school or something. A working level math education

In comparison to ground breaking, paradigm shifting high level math, that isn't comparable.

If Einstein is considered extraordinary, could anyone become extraordinary under ideal conditions?

I imagine that the vast majority had lots of factors stacked against them and chaos in their lives rather than they studied adequately and still failed to grasp the material and get in.

If we're looking at causes outside scholarly performance, it's easy to argue that a family might not make as good decisions for their child as a higher intelligence family, resulting in more challenges for their kids.

I guess my argument is that it's not a complex matter.

Sometimes it's just about having the experience and things look complicated from the outside.

In my experience, what someone think is easy, others think it's hard. When you say some things are complex and others aren't, it's that compared to the average Joe or compared to your comprehension skills?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If Einstein is considered extraordinary, could anyone become extraordinary under ideal conditions?

No.

When you say some things are complex and others aren't, it's that compared to the average Joe or compared to your comprehension skills?

In comparison to the average Joe. I think. You're right I'm probably too biased to even look at this correctly. I am pretty technically proficient and trying to be moreso.