Who is the stupidest user on Saidit?

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[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

Well I don't know if I'd call that a debunking. The experiment could obviously be done better, but even this 'debunking' isnt denying that the environmental factors he was testing were responsible for the behavior. Yes humans are going to react differently in some situations, being more complex social animals, but we do see higher rates of homosexuality, and lower reproductive rates in more densely populated areas

Space. The areas were small even for rodents.

The 'behavioral sink' appeared well before the space was filled, and much sooner than he anticipated. This is generally attributed to the fact that unlimited food was airdropped in. These rats did not require a great deal of cooperation or social roles to perform their survival tasks, It was the younger rats without any social roles to take up that initially exhibit the ungainful behavior. I'm not 100% sold on the 'space' but if anything this just reinforces Calhoun's theory that the environment caused these problems rather than refuting it

Lack of recreation for the rats. Today we know that most mammals and birds require entertainment

This seems a dubious point. Precisely what form of rat entertainment were these mice deprived of that they would have in the wild, or even in their normal lab confines that don't exhibit a behavioral sink? But in any case, this still supports his narrative that the environment caused these problems, which was his whole point, again, not sure how this is supposed to refute it

Incest. As mentioned above the genetic diversity wasn’t the best and could lead to some pathologies.

This is extremely common. His other rat stock not in the controlled 'universes' would have been just as inbred, and this behavior is not normally seen even in known inbred strains of lab rats such as the F344. Even outbred wistar rats have this problem. If inbred rats commonly exhibited this type of behavior in any environment, the results of this study would not have been considered surprising

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4329512/

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

but we do see higher rates of homosexuality ... in more densely populated areas

Isn't this really just because cities had to be staffed in times of war? Haven't a good number of men evolved alongside perpetual city staffing with adaptive traits that are unlikely to be suited for war?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

Could war actually be a hidden trait of homosexuality that some feel they can't openly express in modern cities and therefore hide behind a disguise of traits you believe unlikely to be suited for war?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Wouldn't this just fail to explain women also engaging in homesexual behavior while at home during war?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Aren't you merely suggesting a void in collection of female statistics where scientists prefer to measure ding dongs than enquire about eating fur burger?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Don't said scientists just prefer to dress up their ding dongs in little suits and/or wipe their bums with www.readthesequences.com while drinking champagne?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Aren't you actually referring to climate scientists who rake in unlimited corruption money for bias government sponsored nothingness studies?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Isn't action-based science really just quantified virtue? Wouldn't we otherwise have to rely on fascism to measure and sort virtuous causes?

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Aren't you being loose with the term action based science, since most climate studies conclude that the best course of action is inaction, by ceasing activity which upsets their mustache combs and smashes monocles?