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[–]Canbot 8 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 4 fun -  (17 children)

No, that is jargon word salad.

The Japanese consider westerners to be loud and abnoxious too. It's a cultural thing.

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    [–]Canbot 4 insightful - 6 fun4 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 6 fun -  (11 children)

    Oh, well I guess you disproved it by sarcastically saying sure. We should get you to solve all the mysteries of the universe with your powers of sarcasm.

    [–][deleted] 9 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 3 fun -  (7 children)

    The difference is, blacks create actual problems and dysfunction, whereas the difference between Japanese and Americans relates more to subtle preferences or degree of loudness, for example.

    Blacks are known to be loud in movie theaters and other places that require "indoor voices". Blacks are known to have trouble being considerate with personal space when they are in spaces that require organization or waiting your turn.

    Maybe the average American is a bit louder or more obnoxious than the average Japanese, but it's a difference of degree. Whereas Blacks seems to create utter mayhem at worst, and pretty significant disruptions at best.

    [–]Canbot 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

    Blacks are known to be loud in movie theaters and other places that require "indoor voices

    Different social norms. They obviously don't consider it a problem. When I hang out with family and watch movies we will make comments and jokes over the movie. We enjoy it. It's like directors commentary but better.

    I live in chicago and have only experienced loud black people at the theatre maybe twice in my life. Out of hundreds of movies. It was an enjoyable atmosphere. Well, the one time. The other time it was a bunch of really ghetto people who literally threw food at the screen.

    Most of the loud black people are at the restaurants. They are just enjoying thier meal like everyone else, but they get more excited. They have more energy and that level of volume is normal for them. But like I said, it's all subjective.

    Blacks seems to create utter mayhem at worst, and pretty significant disruptions at best.

    I don't think you regularly interact with black people. This does happen, but it's not that common. I agree that it van be annoying, and what is really the problem is you can't tell them to quiet down because they often turn violent from that, but i don't think you have made the case for it being different than the cultural difference between japs and americans. I'm sure there are a lot of Japanese people who whould claim american loudness is a significant disruption.

    As a reminder the core question is why and the answer remains: cultural differences.

    [–]IkeConn 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

    Detroit. Haiti. African shitholes. Nigras turn perfectly good land into a dump.

    [–]Canbot 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    Irrelevant

    [–]Airbus320 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    😮

    [–][deleted] 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

    You say you "agree that it can be annoying", and also seem to have a distinct reference for what I'm saying. I can respect that, but then why did you also say "I don't think you regularly interact with black people"? That doesn't seem to make square with what you had just said. I actually live near one of the blackest cities in the US. I actually like a lot of things about blacks, but if we really tell the truth, there are some serious problems. You mention that blacks will erupt into violence at the slightest provocation and then in the very same sentence, you say I haven't made the case for it being different from japs/americans. Well...that's one clear difference right there: the violence. You're entitled to explain whatever nuance you feel is necessary, but it seems like you're acknowledging what I describe and then somehow denying it.

    The cultural differences might be more significant than some believe. I personally believe biology plays into it a little bit. But right now, I'm trying to pin down your admissions of how blacks act in public.

    [–]Canbot 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    That doesn't seem to make square with what you had just said.

    Because it's not that they can't ever be quiet. The instances of disruptive noise are actually rare, but you seem to think it is everyone, all the time.

    You mention that blacks will erupt into violence at the slightest provocation

    What I said was that telling loud black people to be quiet is risky, and that is a far greater problem than them being noisy in the first place. But the violence is a separate issue. This thread is about the volume.

    But right now, I'm trying to pin down your admissions of how blacks act in public.

    It is not an "admission", it is my experience and my speculation on why. In my experience rudeness and volume correlate strongly with class and culture and not strongly with race. That translates to more of the obnoxious behaviors coming from black people because they are more likely to be lower class and culturally inclined to being boisterous. But insofar as there being this higher incidence of black people being louder the cause is culture.

    [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    If you were raised in an urban hellhole all your life, I can see it being difficult to know how to act. But a lot of blacks seem to show the same behavior patterns in suburban areas or wherever else they are.

    Also, it just comes down to the sheer number of incidents. For example, if I tried to recall the last 50 times I saw someone being very loud and obnoxious in public and half the time it was blacks, half the time it was whites, it might trigger me to think about how my group biases could be affecting my perceptions. In reality, blacks are acting badly a clear majority of the time and with only a small share of the overall population. It's not even close. For me to get it that wrong is like telling me I'm suffering from outright delusions rather than simply being "biased". I'm not saying you're doing it on purpose, but it has the effect of a sort of racial gaslighting.

    I know this is a big ask, but read these accounts. Tell me this doesn't describe blacks spot on. There's a certain power to hearing someone's observations and seeing how closely they link up with your own observations. Some of which you never even consciously noted.

    The Wages of Idealism, Urban Law 101

    Also, not to give you homework, but google "why are black people so loud". It seems there's a lot of people with this same observation.

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      [–]HongPongHooey 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

      White folks are just more better breeding

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        [–]Airbus320 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

        Mm

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        Mm

        [–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Wrong.

        You should ask yourself why your assumptions about me are wrong. You are probably making a lot of bad assumptions.