Would you ever refuse to date someone if they held political views that you disagree with? What is your opinion on this post?

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[–]clownworlddropout 11 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Of course? Anyone can refuse to date anyone else for any reason, nobody is owed romantic interest. There's nothing wrong with this.

[–]Alienhunter 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Certainly the freedom of people to choose who they date is not in dispute. You're free to make your own choices on whatever criteria you wish. However personally I feel like if you are too petty with your choices then you'll have struggles with finding people who are suitable mates.

In the case of political views, I do think that someone who has radicalized politics in any orientation will ultimately only be compatible with someone else with identical radicalized political views. Once radicalization takes place, namely the belief in the ultimate moral good of the cause and/or absolutely loyalty to the party above all else for the sake of mankind or some such drivel, is essentially saying that the party is more important than friends and family, which is certainly ones right to believe if they wish, but their friends and family will slowly be alienated unless they are subsequently radicalized into the party. And in terms of romantic interests they will either have to be assimilated into identical beliefs or they will be dumped as simply being uninterested can be seen as just as bad as being the opposition to someone who has radicalized sufficiently.

It's a bit different than differing political viewpoints. I've met a few women radicalized on the abortion issue on both sides. The main issues with dating come down to their beliefs that I'm evil, in the case of dating someone pro-choice, my belief that abortions in cases of sex selection, disease, and very late term abortions have definite moral quandaries that need to be considered leads them to believe that I "hate women" and want them to live under Sharia law. In the case of dating pro-life women they think that my opinions on how it's unhelpful to shame women who get abortions or my admittance that there are circumstances where abortion is absolutely morally justifiable even considering very strict pro-life sensibilities will get me pegged as a baby killer or something equally rediculous.

The main issue is the same that plagues the US in general, people are radically partisan and take political disagreements as personal attacks and their political opinions are a moral crusade which can afford no quarter.

But my dating advice is best described as "don't stick your dick in crazy". Once it's clear the woman loves the party or loves the Church more than she loves you it's time to cut your losses because she will eventually choose them over you.

[–]RedEyedWarrior 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (13 children)

Most views I can agree to disagree on, except:

  1. Support for lowering the age of consent to below 16.
  2. Support for transgender children.
  3. Support for the Green Party.

[–]JasonCarswell 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (12 children)

All parties are corrupt. That's their nature. The Green Party always had some issues, but it was an okay protest vote until after Jill Stein. Now it's a shit show.

The real solution is direct democracy - but TPTB won't let that happen.

[–]Drewski 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

I agree that all parties are corrupt, but I don't think the solution is direct democracy. Democracy is a tyranny of the majority, two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. I don't want 51% of the masses to be able to vote away my rights.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Democracy is a tyranny of the majority, two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. I don't want 51% of the masses to be able to vote away my rights.

Yes, this is why the constitution is so important, without it the majority would have taken all of those rights away on a whim more than once.

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

1000% agree. Democracy IS tyranny of the majority. And the masses are asses - yet proven way smarter than average with collective wisdom. (Situations and circumstances may vary.)

I'd rather be ruled by the tyranny of the majority than the tyranny of the 0.0001%.

Critically important: The masses must be fairly informed on that which they vote on. Our "education" systems and media propaganda have ruined all that. Fair, open, transparent, censor-free communications are a critical first step.

We are all born with all the rights. Government can only claim to take rights away, never able to give rights. All governments are mafias proven illegitimate via their monopoly on violence. Rights or not, they will do what they want, write what laws they want, and break what laws they want. Rules for thee, but the rulers and their minions are never held accountable.

[–]RedEyedWarrior 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

The Green Party in the US are okay as a protest vote, but I wasn’t talking about them. The Green Party of Ireland are horrible. They are in a coalition government with two so-called right wing governments. The coalition closed down power plants and increased the cost of living. They imposed lockdowns and vaccine mandates until June 2021 and January 2022 respectively. Horrible politicians.

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

I recently learned that The Green Party has always been fucked up serving the corporatocracy. Their proposed policies have always sounded good but, as usual, end up doing the opposite and harm. The Climate Change Scam™ is a MAJOR distraction from real toxic environmental problems, etc.

In the U.S. Howie Hawkins is THE WORST. The Green Party has been utterly infiltrated and subverted and gone full commie. Canada too.

I don't know much about Ireland's Green Party, but it sounds like if I did I'd be full of ire about it too. By your description, as predictable now, they sound like astroturfed green-washed corporatocracists - same as any politicians, but with the additional layers of Machiavellian deception making them slightly worse.

Lesser or greater evils are all still evil. Evil rules the world.

[–]RedEyedWarrior 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Fuck voting for the lesser of two evils. I’d rather let the system collapse.

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

They are intentionally manufacturing the collapse.

They'll live in figurative, virtual, and actual castles with all they need to weather the storm.

We will all suffer.

When we rebuild, they'll still claim power, and things will be organized as they want it for their Great Reset and the New World Order.

This pattern will continue for eternity.

Unless we create our own robust, resilient, flexible, sustainable alternatives and solutions that can resist their bullshit and that we can survive and thrive within.

[–]RedEyedWarrior 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

That is true. Maybe collapse won’t be such a good idea after all.

If it’s any consolation, we'll all be dead. I hope that my afterlife will be better than this. Apparently, according to Christianity, the souls of the good people will ascend into heaven, while the evil inherit the earth but that is all they will get.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

As an atheist, wishful afterlife bullshit is never any consolation.

And as much as I wish there was a Hell for those who deserve it, I cannot lie to myself.

[–]chadwickofwv 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Direct democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. It is far worse than everything but communism, so far at least. I'm sure the communists will come up with something worse at some point.

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Not even close to being accurate or true.

Would you rather the masses get a vote on whether the CRT and CGT and trans agenda are taught in schools - or would you rather just follow your "leaders"? Who's being eaten in this example?

Direct authentic democracy is, like life, never ideal or perfect. But at least it's a bottom-up say in things.

Capitalism, fascism, socialism, and communism are all top-down and corrupt as fuck.

[–]IndianaJones[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

you guys should make out

[–]IndianaJones[S] 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

I think people should be allowed to make that choice. But personally I wouldn't limit my dating pool like that. I think it's possible to have opposite political views and still have a loving relationship.

You never know what kind of cool people you could meet if you're open-minded.

[–]iamonlyoneman 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

I'm the other side of that coin. People should def. be allowed the choice but I can't be living with someone who is a shit-for-brains retarded leftist.

[–]JasonCarswell 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Left and Right are both retarded wings of the same warhawk of tyranny.

More freedom is the only solution.

[–]chadwickofwv 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

More freedom is the only solution.

That's the right. Your mistake is thinking current the current Republican party is related to the right. They're just leftists pretending they're not.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Your mistake is thinking current the current Republican party is related to the right. They're just leftists pretending they're not.

Close.

Both, the Left and the Right, are just totalitarians pretending they're not.

The left and the right have way more in common than the Left and the Right would have us believe.

[–]neovulcan 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Echo chambers are boring. Marry someone that you can disagree with respectfully and there's always something to talk about.

[–]IndianaJones[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, you could learn from each other too.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

Well, yes, absolutely. I'm centrist and I wouldn't date any radical left or right winger. I can't imagine living with someone that would have completely opposite political views to mine, we would just argue everyday, lol

[–]IndianaJones[S] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

I respect that man. To each to their own. Just curious though, if a radical right or left winger asked you for a hug, would you say yes?

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

Uhhh....pretty weird question but yes, of course.

I would hug anyone who would ask me, regardless of their politican views. Hug is such a simple thing you can do for other person to help them feel a much better, everyone should be capable of doing them.

[–]IndianaJones[S] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

I wholeheartedly agree.

[–]Airbus320 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Ew

[–]IndianaJones[S] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

YOU ARE EW

[–]rubberbiscuit 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

The average conservative woman is much happier than the average leftist woman. Every poll, every study, has shown this clearly for years.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

How many different points of views at the same are we talking ?

I believe it to be very intolerant to judge people like this.

Aside from the fact, i most likely wouldn't steer any conversation to religion or politics whatsoever if I didn't know the person at least a little bit beforehand.

Why risk any conflict whatsoever when possibly wanting to meet this person again ?

[–]IndianaJones[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

How many different points of views at the same are we talking ?

Good question. I do suppose it depends how different we're talking here. I lean right but I would date a liberal woman. But I wouldn't date a woman who thinks it's okay for kids to become trannies.

Basically I would date a normal liberal woman but not a redditor. So maybe you would have this mindset too. I definitely wouldn't "block and delete" a woman I'm dating 0.000000000000001 seconds after finding out she's a liberal.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

The interesting point of the post is that judgements about "messengers" transporting messages like this usually only impacts themselves. Because they narrow their own view, mostly.

If it is relevant in context of a "romantic" relationship, political or religious view never played that big a role for me. I was mostly in relationships with "catholic" women coincidentally, and at least where I am from these are the kind of women who don't take anything (including themselves) this kind of serious.

The more you judge, the more input you lose, most likely, from my experience.

[–]Mazurro 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Depends how many views and how much different views. Would I date a self-claimed leftist? No, I wouldn't, I would find her absolutely retarded. Would I date someone who is prochoice instead of allowing it on certain conditions? Probably yes. Would I date someone who believes into this trans propaganda? Hell no.

[–]Gaslov 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

No. She'll change her opinions to align with yours. Trust me.

[–]IndianaJones[S] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

I trust you

[–][deleted]  (3 children)

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    [–]TroonsAreGroomers 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

    Conservative men tend to believe in monogamy, don't watch porn, and don't have weird fetishes

    This is what conservative men like to believe about themselves. It isn't true.

    [–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

    ^

    [–]Drewski 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Yeah, there's an interesting survey where they asked people about their sexual fetishes and political leanings: https://knowingless.com/2021/10/26/political-compass-fetishes/amp/

    Jreg did a video on it which is where I saw it: Fetist Political Compass

    [–]jet199 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

    Obviously political views get pretty extreme and I wouldn't go out with someone who I thought was crazy or nasty.

    However there is a real problem in this left wing movement against dating outside the sect.

    Women almost universally become more conservative once they have kids. This means by only dating the most left wing, left of Starlin, men they are setting up their relationship to fail as soon as they give birth. And we see this happening irl, the majority of parents who divorce do so in the first few years of a child's life. When the women has a tiny screaming baby on her hands she suddenly realises she's going to need a lot more support and help and can't play the part of the independent smart cool girl anymore. Meanwhile her partner signed up for that kind of relationship, where he can be a kidult without responsibility, and isn't going to change.

    Far better for a woman to have a partner slightly more conservative than her if she wants kids then they will eventually be on the same level. In fact if you look at women's romantic fiction those kinds of parings are pretty much the only ones which sell.

    [–]IndianaJones[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Yeah!! You tell em, Jet!

    [–]NuclearBadger 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    What's a conservative man?

    Caveman? They're pretty conservative imo.

    Or do they mean any man that wants to be a leader of his fam, so when times are shit, you can be relied on?

    Men and woman are different, couples only work if one of you is masculine and one of you is feminine. It works even better if the man is masculine lol.

    So, of course we have different political points. If you're lucky you can bond as you build a life together, but you will never be 100% not dealing with shit so just find someone nice who isnt a fucking tramp and build it.

    [–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    What's a conservative man?

    https://Hoarders.com - Let nothing go to waste.

    [–]Anman 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (8 children)

    Disagreement before marriage is the foundation for divorce. Do not be retarded.

    [–]IndianaJones[S] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (7 children)

    Great input as always, Anman!! Where in Australia are you? Are you in Sydney? Do you want to be my friend?

    [–]Anman 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

    Great input

    What used to be common and accepted fact, is now great wisdom. Humanity is disgraced.

    Where in Australia are you

    Stop trying to pretend you're not a fed and don't already know.

    Suppose you could say melbourne.

    Do you want to be my friend?

    No.

    [–]IndianaJones[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

    Cmon Annie boy!! I want to hug you like a teddy bear...

    [–]Anman 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

    Is your name Paul and have you had your pap smear yet?

    Alternate answer:

    No. There is no reason to.

    [–]IndianaJones[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

    Fine!! I'll just hug my pillow and pretend it's you then!

    We live on the same giant prison island, Annie boy. One day, we will cross paths and I will get to touch you... Ho ho ho!

    [–]Anman 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

    If you want something from me, you need to prove you have value. That includes even just the right to touch me.

    [–]IndianaJones[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    That's right!! The fact that people get to breathe the same air as you without being charged some sort of premium fee is beyond me.

    [–]Anman 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

    Correct. At least 90% of Australian people should not have access to air, at all.

    [–]sneako 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

    We should bring back arranged marriage. Dating is bullshit and only favories roasties and chad.

    [–]jet199 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

    So therefore it benefits the health of the whole species

    [–]Newzok 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    This person has never met anyone conservative. Anyway, no I wouldn't care about my partner's political opinions as long as he's not a retard about it. Being able to discuss things without it leading to meltdowns is the way.

    [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Poor character matters

    [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Depends. As a general rule definitely not. Because my political ideology lies outside of the mainstream I will always have some level of political disagreement with anyone I date.

    Theres a few things that might be deal-breakers for me, but they would likely be mutual. I don't think I could date a covid vaccine nazi, but one of them would be unlikely to date my unvaccinated ass anyway. Same for anyone who hates drugs or is a ultra-religious, they really wouldn't like me.

    But then again, those are people I wouldn't want to date less because of their beliefs than the fact that they are trying to push their beliefs on me. Honestly I wouldn't care what people thought about any of those things unless they expect me to conform with their ideology, but those types usually do

    [–]IkeConn 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

    I never discussed religion or politics with a girl I wanted to fuck until long after I fucked her if ever.

    [–]neovulcan 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    This is the kind of thing that just lowers one's opinion of women in general. If you don't like conservatives, don't date one, but begging others to join you? Sounds like she's trying to convince herself at the same time.

    To OP's question, there's very few opinions that would get me to refuse a date, but the overall attitude on discussion is critical. If I have to listen to circular logic like "Trump is bad because he's Trump", there's little hope for the discussion to go forward.

    Opinions that will find me looking elsewhere:

    1. Allowing/encouraging transgender children. If you're not competent to drink alcohol, smoke tobacco, vote, enlist in the military, own a gun, or any other significant decisions, you're not competent to irreparably opt-in to drugs/surgery.

    2. Allowing/encouraging transgender discussions in school-age children, especially the pre-pubescent. If you can't have that discussion amongst adults in the workplace, it certainly doesn't belong with the impressionable.

    3. Mandating that I convert to their religion. Spent too much time on a couple thinking this was just a coy ploy. Even bought the catechism of the catholic church to give the full benefit of my consideration. Could've saved so much time/effort not being so considerate.

    While it hasn't been criteria historically, going forward I would insist on someone who is similarly categorically pro-life: no abortion, no suicide, no euthanasia, no death penalty. For all situations we have control of, imposing death is barbaric. Bonus points if she's pro-2A for those situations we don't have control of.

    [–]Yin 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Yes. Both sides should boycott each other entirely. Except only the right side is willing to leave the left side alone beyond rhetoric. Globalists and leftists want to own and dominate everyone and will never leave you alone and they will infiltrate your communities and spaces that just want to be separate, and thus it becomes critically necessary to rule over them first like a man who won't let rabid monkeys control the nation. Only retards would not care if a retard might end up raising their children.

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    I'm not sure I'd want to date someone who got overly worked up over any kind of politics.

    The wife and I usually agree politically so it's not been a concern. She usually votes how I ask her to.

    I think though ultimately you should date someone you have chemistry with. If things don't click then it's a waste of time.

    And while I don't think there's just one soulmate for everyone, there are only so many people you will have good chemistry with. To reject someone for something relatively minor is foolish.

    I think there's a lot of failed marriages because people put too much thought into their ideal partner and not just leave things to nature.

    [–]IndianaJones[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Absolutely man. You hit the nail on the head right there. Chemistry is important. I wouldn't date a woman who I don't have chemistry with even if we share the same political views.