do you believe in god

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[–]Hel 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

If not everything needs a creator why posit one to begin with?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

Everything doesn't need a creater. Everything that moves requires a cause, except for the first mover, that does no require prior cause. Even in an eternal universe the cycle cannot begin without a first mover, without whom there is no change in the system.

Not posit, prove.

[–]Hel 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

Eternal means no beginning and no end, so you contradict yourself when you say “in an eternal universe the cycle cannot begin”.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Could have existed forever but nothing would change because each effect would depend on a prior cause. The only thing that could set it in motion is a first cause, which by definition is not caused by anything else.

[–]Hel 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

If the universe has always been changing then by definition there wouldn’t be a first cause

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

How can the universe always be changing if every event is dependent on being caused by something else? Without that cause it cannot cause anything else and is static

[–]Hel 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Having no first cause is the nature of being eternal.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

How can eternity have motion without a first case?

Even in physics motion is caused by a loss of potential energy. So eventually all motion would cease once it reaches minimum energy and is in equilibrium, even in a system as large as a uni/multiverse.

[–]Hel 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Energy is always conserved. Kinetic Energy + Potential Energy = Total Energy. Thus if KE is at a minimum PE is at a maximum.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Energy is always conserved. Kinetic Energy + Potential Energy = Total Energy. Thus if KE is at a minimum PE is at a maximum.

My Big Dick Energy is also at a maximum

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

What is heat? How can a system move forever unless something external to it supplies energy?