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[–]StillLessons 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Biggest difference is nuclear weapons. The potential for a nuclear exchange is the primary determinant for a western response today. Were this situation to be playing out in a world with just conventional weapons, it is not too much of a stretch to think the US and several European nations would have troops on the ground by this point.

This has gone on longer than Russia wanted it to. That's my guess. Every day on from here is bad news for them. Entering, decapitating, and exiting was their hope. Now they find themselves having entered and beginning the process of pulverizing. That's a bad look, and they need to end it. Even within their own country, they cannot get away with this level of slaughter for long before the Russian people get tired enough of it to cause real trouble for the government.

[–]restlessincanada 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

People in ukrain have been getting “slaughtered” for eight years but no one cared because it was nato missles that were leveling appartment buildings. Ofcouse this entire thing is an attempt to topple the russian government but dont think that all russians welcome this or that russians are less willing then ukrainians to defend thier country. nato and the media are playing a very stupid and very dangerous game here.

[–]StillLessons 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Agreed about the slaughter for 8 years, but there are no good guys. The Russian state and the Davos set are two mafias fighting over turf. The fact that this turf is historically Russian territory gives Russia only a minor fig leaf when you look at the damage they are inflicting today on Ukraine. You're right that Davos is playing a supremely dangerous game, but they have economies that are fully played, and they need to figure out a way to excuse the collapse. A war is the perfect reason: "We would have kept our promises, but the war...!" So they pushed until Russia pushed back, very predictably, so they could blame it all on Russia. This doesn't make the Russian actions good - a lot of people are dying as we speak, and Russia is killing many of them - but this war definitely has two sides, and to think the Davos propaganda of the sweet and innocent Ukrainians is accurate is beyond naive; it's dangerous. If the Russians and Putin are really smart, they will figure out how to wind this down quickly. If they can do that, they may yet end up exposing Davos for the warmongers they are. I'm not holding my breath, though. The Russians are no more cuddly than is Davos.

[–]raven9 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Always remember the only ones who have anything to gain from targetting civilian buildings are those who would benefit from outside intervention.