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[–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

It's not an ad hominem when it's an opening summary of a mini essay thesis that I prove to be true.

Valid types of ad hominem arguments

Argument from commitment

An ad hominem argument from commitment is a type of valid argument that employs, as a dialectical strategy, the exclusive utilization of the beliefs, convictions, and assumptions of those holding the position being argued against, i.e., arguments constructed on the basis of what other people hold to be true. [...] This type of argument is also known as the ex concessis argument (Latin for "from what has been conceded already").

Ad hominem arguments, testimony and authority

Ad hominem arguments are relevant where the person being criticised is advancing arguments from authority, or testimony based on personal experience, rather than proposing a formal syllogism.

An example is a dialogue at the court, where the attorney cross-examines an eyewitness, bringing to light the fact that the witness was convicted in the past for lying. This might suggest the conclusion that the witness should not be trusted, which would not be a fallacy.

Criticism as a fallacy

Walton has argued that ad hominem reasoning is not always fallacious, and that in some instances, questions of personal conduct, character, motives, etc., are legitimate and relevant to the issue, as when it directly involves hypocrisy, or actions contradicting the subject's words.

The philosopher Charles Taylor has argued that ad hominem reasoning (discussing facts about the speaker or author relative to the value of his statements) is essential to understanding certain moral issues due to the connection between individual persons and morality (or moral claims), and contrasts this sort of reasoning with the apodictic reasoning (involving facts beyond dispute or clearly established) of philosophical naturalism.

~ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem#Valid_types_of_ad_hominem_arguments

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (8 children)

M7 is correct. If I had called someone "a full of shit enemy of humanity," I'd be banned.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 5 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 5 fun -  (7 children)

M7 is correct.

Hardly surprising coming from an authoritarian kiss ass suck up disciple of magnora7.

If I had called someone "a full of shit enemy of humanity," I'd be banned.

You were banned and you should have stayed banned because you're also a full of shit enemy of humanity with your love of authoritarianism, expert$, liar media, and Big Pharma.

Fuck off or wake up.

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This too is low POD, as usual. Do think about the site rules. (This is obviously not about M7. You're not helping Saidit when you are always allowed to break the rules.)

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

low POD, as usual.

This is a LIE, as expected.

I'm only aggressive to pieces full of shit enemies of humanity who support the establishment authoritarians and their eugenics depopulation /s/Agenda21_Agenda2030. Call that low POD all you want. I call it defense in this global class war.

Do think about the site rules.

Your condescending bullshit is low tier.

(This is obviously not about M7.

You're correct. You're sticking your nose into a conversation for no good reason. Fuck off, trouble maker.

You're not helping Saidit when you are always allowed to break the rules.)

You wouldn't know how to help SaidIt if it were spelled out for you. F.U.C.K. O.F.F. T.R.O.L.L. Or better, wake the flock up.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

I hate to say it, Jason, but you've GIVEN socks the opportunity to be right and lecture you on proper saidit-iquette. No doubt, the ignominy of this is absolutely scathing. And while I agree with you that this site would be infinitely better off without the likes of u/socks and u/ShalomEveryone, I have to say that your take on this situation is hindering more than helping us all. Please stop.

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this site would be infinitely better off without the likes of u/socks and u/ShalomEveryone

Interesting point. Some of the users here have said the opposite, because disagreements can build conversations and debates. I have a list of users who've disagreed with the extreme right-wing propaganda on Saidit, and have left within a few months. Perhaps you could raise your comment as a question in /s/AskSaidit and see what happens. I think Saidit has potential as a site for political debate, partially because users here seem to be somewhat less extreme, and seem to be older, but it can't keep users who disagree with the right-wing party line. Still, it's not like patriots.win, which is insane, and has many users. Perhaps Saidit will remain as it has this past year. But for those who want Saidit to grow (/u/magnora7), they could discuss what you've mentioned. There are periods when this is a popular subject on Saidit.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

I don't give a shit about socks or anything he says.

I can take it or leave it with you. Your ideas are yours. Sometimes you're good, sometimes very good, sometimes you're not at all. IMO. But no matter how much we've disagreed, you've never been ban-worthy.

I have to say that your take on this situation is hindering more than helping us all. Please stop.

Clearly convince me and I may.

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Well if you were to make a post like this and argue that his material is overall of reprehensible quality and his "contributions" are overall quite negative, with a very objective, analytical, dry and flat tone to your post, I feel you may have obtained your wish. Because such is the way of saidit.net. It certainly isn't MY default way, as you well know, but for an idea to gain traction with the admins and the overall site, it really needs to conform, no matter how nauseating it may feel to take pains for "correctness" while dealing with a toxic troll.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I feel you may have obtained your wish.

Wishful thinking. Perhaps. Perhaps not. I could have aimed for more sterile and analytical over dramatically factual, but obviously I felt this was the better mode to impress the gravity of the situation more emphatically. I don't have time for bullshit anymore. None of us do.