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[–][deleted] 21 insightful - 8 fun21 insightful - 7 fun22 insightful - 8 fun -  (19 children)

Shalom operates on a way higher level of the pyramid than a certain user here who rhymes with knocks. I wish I could ban every bad faith piece of shit here. But these are subjective waters.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 7 insightful - 5 fun7 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 5 fun -  (9 children)

He's sealioning, lying, and downward dragging to undermine SaidIt.

Bold = rule breaking.

[–][deleted] 10 insightful - 4 fun10 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 4 fun -  (8 children)

It probably is knocks, full blown role playing larping. But this proposed ban is a slippery slope to ideological persecution. It's too late in the game to pivot this way.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (7 children)

It's too late in the game to pivot this way.

Not when FreedIt will be there to catch the free speechers.

[–][deleted] 8 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 4 fun -  (6 children)

That's a completely unaffiliated site. Saidit is saidit.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

Interesting and noteworthy, but how does that matter?

Would it make any difference if M7D3 created it?

I guess the real question then is, do you, the admins, and/or the community, want quantity or quality in an already overwhelming world of too much info blasting at us?

I would expect, like the response to my OP, the community would be divided but more than half would want quality over quantity.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

The admins want to do as little work as possible while upholding the existing site rules and philosophy. Of course everyone prefers quality.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

Ban the downward ni... dragger and save yourself, and us, future work - and improve the quality of SaidIt.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

For the third year in a row, no. I'm here to save you lefties from yourselves.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

LOL.

Shalom

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

That's a completely unaffiliated site. Saidit is saidit.

(I figured out why this was nagging me, now obvious...)

Also, SaidIt is much more than just SaidIt.

1) SaidIt is a site, as you imply.

2) SaidIt is a platform software, now with a much longer shelf life thanks to your Docker fix.

This platform needs our support in order go gather

Aside from decentralization, and despite the pros and cons, in my limited experience (I haven't hung out on the other Reddit-like forums) this platform is vastly superior to all others of its kind, regardless of their purpose or leanings.

3) SaidIt is a community.

Some may say we're large compared to the countless who try, but most might say we're small by comparison to the monopoly technocracy giants. Regardless we are strong like bull, strong like Sparta!

None of this would be possible without M7D3. magnora7 is a good "leader" and d3rr is a great anti-leader which makes for a powerfully dynamite team established on great respect earned through great ideas and proof of actions.

4) As all three above, SaidIt is the backbone that is branching out.

Whether it's WikiSpooks, FreedIt, Projex, or whatever else comes along to branch out or align with or be affiliated, allied, associated, related, sister sites, or however you define it, IMO we need to embrace these allegiances.

(As seems his way with others and me, M7 started warm but turned harsh and hasn't thawed out, as is his prerogative. Obviously I don't need his approval nor respect, but I also don't want to stir up shit unnecessarily, discredit myself, make presumptions, nor feel the need to ask if I could call Projex a sister-site, so I use "friendly". I do want to shout out and credit alliances, alignments, and inspirations, but using other sites as crutches would not be a good start much less a good look. Be sure to let me know if I ever inadvertently lean too far.)

IMO, we must accept that in these interesting trying times, solutions speak louder than words despite the pen's might over the sword. Solutions' seeds are planted on and branching from SaidIt.

Whether you want to be a hero in this corner of history or not, humble d3rr, you are, and SaidIt is much more than just SaidIt, and come what may, forever will be.

[–]magnora7 7 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 4 fun -  (5 children)

100% agreed.

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 5 fun6 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 5 fun -  (4 children)

TFW you have more respect for Zionists than bad faith DNC operatives. The education no one went looking for.

[–]magnora7 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

I assumed it was a bad actor pretending to be a Zionist so they could pull the antisemitism card if we banned them lol

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

My mom can suck better than your mom

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

Sup Ed. I'm glad you're still above ground.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

I have decided to finish my forex project.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

Oh whew, thought they meant Tarrock. I was like what did that dude ever do to anyone.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

ha ha ha

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    [–]Chipit 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (47 children)

    That's not the issue. The issue is that when it trolls, it harms the whole site. It's not argument in good faith, and that's what Saidit is founded on.

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      [–]Chipit 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

      everything slightly off

      Stop right there. There's your problem. It's not "slightly off". It's tremendously off.

      It drives normies and Reddit refugees away from the site. Which is its entire point. That's what the account was designed to do.

      [–][deleted] 8 insightful - 7 fun8 insightful - 6 fun9 insightful - 7 fun -  (17 children)

      Didn't Jason post about banning you for being a shill too? I think I saw that going through old posts. And I saw you can read Chinese, that's neat.

      [–]Chipit 7 insightful - 7 fun7 insightful - 6 fun8 insightful - 7 fun -  (15 children)

      He had me confused with this Chinese dude called snow. Snow left the site at about the same time I joined. He wouldn't let it go and followed me around the site harassing me with every comment. This was before the crowd of people who follow me around the site harassing me. Jason was good practice in growing an invincible armored shell.

      [–]Tom_Bombadil 4 insightful - 5 fun4 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 5 fun -  (13 children)

      He had me confused with this Chinese dude called snow. Snow left the site at about the same time I joined. He wouldn't let it go and followed me around the site harassing me with every comment.

      Chipit. You're 100% snow.

      You found your own snow job hoax posts on two different sites.

      Miraculously found them both. And with the goal of sabotaging the reputation of Saidit.

      Posted it here twice, cause it wasn't even noticed the first time.

      This was before the crowd of people who follow me around the site harassing me.

      I'm a one man party.

      Jason was good practice in growing an invincible armored shell.

      Your "invincible" shell is made of dung.

      You're not invincible.

      You're untouchable.

      I brought gloves, and some dung to add to your "shell".

      [–]JasonCarswell[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

      LOL

      Chipit has grown yet remains flawed, like all of us, but was never as flawed as snow.

      [–]Tom_Bombadil 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (7 children)

      You believe Chipshit accidentally found both of the hoax posts?

      It's the same clown.

      [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

      snow was all about gender issues though? he had an agender sub or some crazy shit. and zhe was into tech like mechanical keyboards. this finding the posts thing does sound suspicious though.

      [–]Tom_Bombadil 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

      Someone is feeding Chipit articles, and books ​to post, etc.

      Chipit struggles to defend any position when he's confronted.
      ​ ​

      ​ It's not a one person show. He's getting help, at the very least.

      His submission titles are crafted to suggest ideas to the viewing audience. Written like Op-ed pieces.
      They're not particularly sophisticated, but he's not targeting a sophisticated audience.
      But they're clearly targeted messages.

      Look at his submissions into books.
      https://saidit.net/s/books/

      He's not reading those books.
      The content is beyond his scope.

      Propaganda isn't always lies.
      Mostly slanted truths, etc.
      Propaganda has to have truthiness.

      He comments don't read like his submission titles.

      They're stupid. Stupid like a misinformed college freshman, and his debating skills are even worse.
      Full of arrogance, but with minimal substance.

      [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

      Very interesting. I'll keep my eyes peeled. I think I've seen snow on /r/RedditAlternatives a few times since he left here.

      [–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      I can't speak on that.

      Whether they are the same person/people or not, their personas are quite different.

      [–]Chipit 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      You know, considering the group of professional social media influencers that pollute this site's every thread, it's almost quaint receiving abuse from Tom_Bombadil and his conspiracy mind again.

      [–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      it's almost quaint receiving abuse from Tom_Bombadil and his conspiracy mind again.

      No doubt it takes you back to when you masqueraded as a Chinese transgender pedo.

      You can't make this crap up.

      [–]soundsituation 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      You found your own snow job hoax posts on two different sites.

      Which posts were these, if you don't mind saying?

      [–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      They were submitted to r/conspiracy, and another site I had never heard of.

      He linked to the non Reddit site post (pretended to find it), after he faked leaving as Snow.

      This occurred in 2019.

      [–]JasonCarswell[S] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

      I wasn't pushing that snow idea.

      I've never followed anyone around. I was calling out your bullshit when I saw it. There was a lot of it.

      I am thrilled that you've grown so much since then.

      [–]JasonCarswell[S] 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

      Chipit has grown a lot since arriving on SaidIt. He's realized that ALL of "The Left" are certainly NOT unified (with infighting akin to the Right), not all are the enemy, nor all bad, and that centrists and voluntaryists may be left of him but that doesn't make them The Left. And he's improved his debate level from fallacious bullshitter to a decent user, and he's usually got good posts, even if I'm not always a fan of the titles.

      [–]jet199 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

      Trolls don't harm the site.

      They at least get people talking rather than circle jerking.

      And they help to prick the egos of a few supercilious posters I could mention.

      [–]Chipit 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

      Trolls don't harm the site.

      They harm every site. The world would be better off without them. Especially the ones who are paid to post, whip up division, and make posters fight with one another.

      [–]jet199 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

      As if anyone here is competent enough to get paid.

      [–]JasonCarswell[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      As if anyone here is competent enough to get paid.

      That's not the point. The ruling class and their shadow governments and psyops can print money and pay as much as necessary for armies of infiltration, surveillance, and asstrolls.

      [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      No, they make PEOPLE LEAVE THE SITE when they see the demented inanities.

      [–]Ehhhhhh 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (21 children)

      Ohhh. You want him banned for our own good? We can't decide to block and you know better?

      [–]Chipit 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (19 children)

      It's harming the entire site. There is no good that comes from its comments. It's not arguing in good faith. Banning is a disfavored option but it's justified here.

      [–]jet199 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (17 children)

      You can't read minds.

      You don't know what faith people are arguing in.

      [–]Chipit 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (16 children)

      It's obvious that the ShalomEveryone account is arguing in bad faith. It's a troll account.

      Why would anyone defend it?

      [–]AXXA 7 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 4 fun -  (7 children)

      How is it obvious? Do you have an example?

      [–]Chipit 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

      Covering for the trolls. There it is again.

      [–]AXXA 8 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 4 fun -  (5 children)

      So you claim it is obvious but you can't explain how or why or give any examples. It's like you're a troll arguing in bad faith, isn't it?

      [–]Chipit 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (4 children)

      Defending the troll account is super sus.

      [–]ShalomEveryone 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

      It's obvious that the ShalomEveryone account is arguing in bad faith.

      That's an incomplete sentence. The end of the sentence is, "who disagrees with him".

      There was a post where someone mentioned white genocide. I said white genocide does not exist and I said the following...

      saying that there is nothing to "White genocide"

      That's because that is the case, there is no white genocide. During World War II, 10,000,000 people were systematically killed by the Nazis. People were kidnapped and shipped off to concentration camps to be killed. Where in the world right now are white people being kidnapped and sent to concentration camps to be killed?

      The Khmer Rouge rounding up over 1,000,000 Cambodians to be slaughtered in the killing fields is genocide. Today, where are the white people rounded up and being massacred in killing fields? It's not happening today to white people.

      King Leopold of Belgium killed 10,000,000 Congolese, that's genocide. Where are whites being killed in those numbers anywhere? I'll tell you where, in Fantasyland of white supremacists.

      White supremacists like to point towards declining birthrates as "white genocide". That's not genocide, just because white women use birth control unlike women of other ethnic groups does not mean there is a genocide.

      “White Genocide” is a term coined by white supremacists for propaganda purposes as shorthand for one of the most deeply held modern white supremacist convictions: that the white race is “dying” due to growing non-white populations and “forced assimilation,” all of which are deliberately engineered and controlled by a Jewish conspiracy to destroy the white race. This same conviction can be seen in the so-called “14 Words” slogan, the most popular white supremacist slogan around the globe: “We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children.” White supremacists commonly claim that they must take action, even violent action, or the “white race” will “perish from the Earth.”

      https://saidit.net/s/politics/comments/8tlq/poll_reveals_shocking_number_of_dems_would/woro

      My post alone received 3 insightful and 1 fun. If I was arguing in bad faith, saiditers would show that by clicking "fun". That's not the case though, there are more insightful which means I argued in good faith and more people agreed with me than disagreed.

      Genocide is what happened to Jewish people, Congolese, Cambodians and Armenians. Whites are not being slaughtered.

      I believe the discussion in that thread is what caused u/JasonCarswell to call for my banning. I hurt his feelings by saying there is no white genocide. I provided examples of true genocide by mentioning millions who were systematically killed. Nowhere did he say, "you're full of it, there is a white genocide, 2,000,000 white people were massacred in this country and that country".

      What does Carswell do? Did he provide examples of millions of whites being systematically killed? No! Hell, did he provide examples of tens of thousands of whites being systematically killed? No, he went on about fauci and vaccines. He made sure to include the antisemitic echos in his post. Then he went on to say, "ShalomEveryone is a full of shit enemy of humanity."

      He's calling for my banishment and here he is saying I am full of shit, that's low pyramid of debate material there. Also, saiditers agree with me more than Carswell. Take a look at his post, there are 2 insightful and 3 fun, meaning more people disliked his post than liked his. Saiditers liked my post more than they liked his.

      Why would anyone defend it?

      Because they like discussions with differing opinions? Because they may disagree with me but they know I back up what I say to the best of my ability?

      Shalom

      ✡️

      [–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

      TL;DR. Timesuck get fucked and troll someone else.

      [–]ShalomEveryone 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      You reply is about what I expected.

      Shalom

      ✡️

      [–]Chipit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

      Drop the act, it's obvious what you're doing and why.

      [–]ShalomEveryone 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

      Drop the act

      You're saying that based off of?

      it's obvious what you're doing and why.

      Enlighten me, please.

      Shalom

      ✡️

      [–]Chipit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      https://saidit.net/s/pics/comments/8pry/scene_from_a_high_school_in_germany/wc67

      Openly wishing for underage white girls to be raped by immigrants is obviously trolling. Nobody believes that.

      [–]Ehhhhhh 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      I find good in their comments. They have made good points in some of their replies.

      [–]ShalomEveryone 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      I agree. He wants to dictate what all saiditers see and don't see.

      Shalom

      ✡️

      [–]ShalomEveryone 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Thank you, saidit is to be the reddit alternative where you wont get banned just because you have a differing opinion and are not afraid to hold your ground in discussion. What people don't like is that a lot of the time when I state my point I back it up with links/facts. Backing up my claim makes it harder to provide a counterpoint which causes users here to lob insults my way.

      Shalom

      ✡️

      [–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      OP:

      ...and dragging down discussions (only the last is ban-worthy by site rules).

      Plus you and /u/ShalomEveryone can migrate to /u/fschmidt's new SaidIt-based sister-site https://FreedIt.com (if/when they are ready) for all the free speech you like. Follow their developments on /s/FreedIt.

      [–]magnora7 13 insightful - 5 fun13 insightful - 4 fun14 insightful - 5 fun -  (17 children)

      Why does the very first statement in your title contain an ad hominem, if you are trying to enforce the rules on to others? You know ad hominem is low on the pyramid of debate...

      Walk the walk first, brother.

      [–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (12 children)

      The summarizing ad hominem title is further explained within the post. I'd agree that ad hominems without explanation are problematic, and as The Pyramid Of Debate says it's an attack of another's characteristics or authority but not the substance of the argument. Despite my mini-essay proposal not even being a debate, I presented sufficient explanations and citations including actual debate that explicitly refutes the central points of their bullshit.

      Show me where I'm not walking the walk.

      [–]magnora7 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

      The part where you said an ad hominem in your first line which you know is against the pyramid of debate. Stop doing that stuff if you want to be listened to when it comes to enforcing the rules on others.

      [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

      I cannot agree more, M7. I think Carswell has a point in this post and ShalomEveryone's communications are pure poison, however that does not excuse such ad hominems. We have to be better than that. I personally have had some difficulties conforming to the Pyramid of Debate early on, but I think I am getting better at it, and want to thank you for this invaluable tool for higher quality discussion.

      [–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

      It's not an ad hominem when it's an opening summary of a mini essay thesis that I prove to be true.

      Valid types of ad hominem arguments

      Argument from commitment

      An ad hominem argument from commitment is a type of valid argument that employs, as a dialectical strategy, the exclusive utilization of the beliefs, convictions, and assumptions of those holding the position being argued against, i.e., arguments constructed on the basis of what other people hold to be true. [...] This type of argument is also known as the ex concessis argument (Latin for "from what has been conceded already").

      Ad hominem arguments, testimony and authority

      Ad hominem arguments are relevant where the person being criticised is advancing arguments from authority, or testimony based on personal experience, rather than proposing a formal syllogism.

      An example is a dialogue at the court, where the attorney cross-examines an eyewitness, bringing to light the fact that the witness was convicted in the past for lying. This might suggest the conclusion that the witness should not be trusted, which would not be a fallacy.

      Criticism as a fallacy

      Walton has argued that ad hominem reasoning is not always fallacious, and that in some instances, questions of personal conduct, character, motives, etc., are legitimate and relevant to the issue, as when it directly involves hypocrisy, or actions contradicting the subject's words.

      The philosopher Charles Taylor has argued that ad hominem reasoning (discussing facts about the speaker or author relative to the value of his statements) is essential to understanding certain moral issues due to the connection between individual persons and morality (or moral claims), and contrasts this sort of reasoning with the apodictic reasoning (involving facts beyond dispute or clearly established) of philosophical naturalism.

      ~ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem#Valid_types_of_ad_hominem_arguments

      [–][deleted] 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (8 children)

      M7 is correct. If I had called someone "a full of shit enemy of humanity," I'd be banned.

      [–]JasonCarswell[S] 5 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 5 fun -  (7 children)

      M7 is correct.

      Hardly surprising coming from an authoritarian kiss ass suck up disciple of magnora7.

      If I had called someone "a full of shit enemy of humanity," I'd be banned.

      You were banned and you should have stayed banned because you're also a full of shit enemy of humanity with your love of authoritarianism, expert$, liar media, and Big Pharma.

      Fuck off or wake up.

      [–][deleted] 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (6 children)

      This too is low POD, as usual. Do think about the site rules. (This is obviously not about M7. You're not helping Saidit when you are always allowed to break the rules.)

      [–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

      low POD, as usual.

      This is a LIE, as expected.

      I'm only aggressive to pieces full of shit enemies of humanity who support the establishment authoritarians and their eugenics depopulation /s/Agenda21_Agenda2030. Call that low POD all you want. I call it defense in this global class war.

      Do think about the site rules.

      Your condescending bullshit is low tier.

      (This is obviously not about M7.

      You're correct. You're sticking your nose into a conversation for no good reason. Fuck off, trouble maker.

      You're not helping Saidit when you are always allowed to break the rules.)

      You wouldn't know how to help SaidIt if it were spelled out for you. F.U.C.K. O.F.F. T.R.O.L.L. Or better, wake the flock up.

      [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

      I hate to say it, Jason, but you've GIVEN socks the opportunity to be right and lecture you on proper saidit-iquette. No doubt, the ignominy of this is absolutely scathing. And while I agree with you that this site would be infinitely better off without the likes of u/socks and u/ShalomEveryone, I have to say that your take on this situation is hindering more than helping us all. Please stop.

      [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      this site would be infinitely better off without the likes of u/socks and u/ShalomEveryone

      Interesting point. Some of the users here have said the opposite, because disagreements can build conversations and debates. I have a list of users who've disagreed with the extreme right-wing propaganda on Saidit, and have left within a few months. Perhaps you could raise your comment as a question in /s/AskSaidit and see what happens. I think Saidit has potential as a site for political debate, partially because users here seem to be somewhat less extreme, and seem to be older, but it can't keep users who disagree with the right-wing party line. Still, it's not like patriots.win, which is insane, and has many users. Perhaps Saidit will remain as it has this past year. But for those who want Saidit to grow (/u/magnora7), they could discuss what you've mentioned. There are periods when this is a popular subject on Saidit.

      [–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

      I don't give a shit about socks or anything he says.

      I can take it or leave it with you. Your ideas are yours. Sometimes you're good, sometimes very good, sometimes you're not at all. IMO. But no matter how much we've disagreed, you've never been ban-worthy.

      I have to say that your take on this situation is hindering more than helping us all. Please stop.

      Clearly convince me and I may.

      [–]ShalomEveryone 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

      Perhaps he believes it's not an ad-hominem when he does it?

      Shalom

      ✡️

      [–]AXXA 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

      I'm glad you haven't left my friend. I don't know if you're authentic or a troll and I truly don't care. You follow the rules better than most people here. And you represent a position that is underrepresented here. To me it seems like the world's problems come about because we're afraid to talk to people we disagree with. I wish people would understand that it's okay to disagree. It's actually better that way. The more viewpoints we have the better we can consider and understand the best way forward. And often that could be a combination or compromise of different viewpoints.

      [–]ShalomEveryone 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

      I'm glad you haven't left my friend.

      I wanted to reply earlier but it's been a hectic week. I didn't want to reply to a few comments and then disappear. I wait until there's down time so I can reply back to a lot of message and will be in a position to have a back and forth like you and I are having right now.

      I don't know if you're authentic or a troll and I truly don't care.

      I'm authentic, I believe what the problem is with some is that they have strong opinions about people/events and my opinions differ. I have no problem making my opinions known, I have no problem challenging other's opinion. Some see I don't back down and they get upset.

      You follow the rules better than most people here

      I do my best to follow the rules, I know my opinions aren't popular with a lot of popular here. By following the rules, I wont give them ammunition for baseless claims of me being a troll. I've never been into trolling, I say something outlandish, someone replies in kind and we're supposed to keep going on in circles? That's boring. Having genuine spirited conversation is fun, a lot can be learned. For instance, there was a guy who learned about the Anne Frank "ballpoint pen myth".

      u/JoeyJoeJoe said the following

      Thank you for taking the time to refute the ballpoint story with some credible evidence. I had heard the anecdote (with no evidence) but it's always been on my "maybe" list of possibilities in the back of my mind. Thanks for helping clean out the rubbish. 😁👍

      https://saidit.net/s/news/comments/8syg/anne_frank_betrayal_suspect_identified_after_77/wmgf

      And you represent a position that is underrepresented here.

      You got that right, lol.

      To me it seems like the world's problems come about because we're afraid to talk to people we disagree with.

      Yes, a lot of grief in the world would be prevented if people would have open and honest dialogue.

      It's actually better that way.

      Yes, saidit would be boring if everybody agreed with everyone. What's interesting about everybody agreeing? That's boring.

      The more viewpoints we have the better we can consider and understand the best way forward.

      I agree.

      And often that could be a combination or compromise of different viewpoints.

      Again, I agree.

      Shalom

      ✡️

      [–]bucetao6969 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Based

      [–]steveknobs 12 insightful - 4 fun12 insightful - 3 fun13 insightful - 4 fun -  (24 children)

      /u/ShalomEveryone is a full of shit enemy of humanity,

      the OP is the one that is being offensive. I find nothing wrong with the posts of /u/shalomeveryone

      thank you.

      [–]JasonCarswell[S] 9 insightful - 5 fun9 insightful - 4 fun10 insightful - 5 fun -  (5 children)

      Offensive how?

      IMO, I'm being defensive in this global war. When I go offensive you'll know it.

      [–]steveknobs 5 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 5 fun -  (2 children)

      When I go offensive you'll know it.

      that is a threat that you could derail the conversation and i feel threatened by your statement.

      /u/shalomeveryone is rather pleasant in his posts, unlike you.

      i do not wish to engage you in relationship drama, so lets end this.

      [–]JasonCarswell[S] 4 insightful - 5 fun4 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

      that is a threat that you could derail the conversation and i feel threatened by your statement.

      It's not a threat, and regardless of all the snowflake feels in the world, there is a global war on that will last to 2030 if not 2050 or perpetually.

      You'll know it when I go on the offense because I'll be producing /s/LeverMind Variety Show videos when Projex.Wiki no longer demands my full attention.

      /u/shalomeveryone is rather pleasant in his posts, unlike you.

      Well, that's, like, just your opinion man.

      i do not wish to engage you in relationship drama, so lets end this.

      You engaged me.

      [–]ShalomEveryone 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      /u/shalomeveryone is rather pleasant in his posts, unlike you.

      Again, thank you.

      Shalom

      ✡️

      [–]AXXA 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!

      Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.

      And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.

      https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Matthew-Chapter-18/#7

      [–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

      I'm not giving offenses.

      Offenses are being taken.

      Without my permission.

      There are thieves about.

      [–]FlippyKing 8 insightful - 6 fun8 insightful - 5 fun9 insightful - 6 fun -  (15 children)

      I don't even think "shalomeveryone" is a real person. I think he and some overly-anti-Jewish poster are, or a few, are accounts run by the same person or entity. Shalomeveryone is a troll. If you gain anything from reading what that account posts, "more power to ya" as they say. But I found him worthless and annoying and blocked him long ago. I am missing out on nothing as a result.

      [–]Zapped 7 insightful - 5 fun7 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 5 fun -  (7 children)

      I think it is one person, because he's pretty consistent with his delivery. I have seen him go off message with sarcasm a few times. Maybe he had too much to drink while posting.

      [–]FlippyKing 7 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 4 fun -  (5 children)

      I saw consistency too, and that made me think the posts were working off a script

      [–]Zapped 8 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 4 fun -  (4 children)

      I've only seen one user here that seems to work off a script. More of a flow chart, really. They are like a salesperson, not giving an inch.

      [–]magnora7 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

      That's often a bot, lots of bots simply follow pre-scripted discussion trees. They're so convincing these days...

      [–]FlippyKing 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

      I had my first dealing with that kind of account, and after a few days I caught onto the cycle of taking points they had. We were arguing about something I have a small amount of expertise in and they were attacking me with BS, never backing up their claims with any data or anything. I concluded that the account was possibly run by a PR firm defending a brand's product. I've been suspicious and watchful for such behavior ever since, because I don't like others wasting my time. I'm already too good at it myself. I need no help.

      [–]Zapped 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      What became of the shill account?

      [–]FlippyKing 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      I should have been more clear, sorry. It was on twitter, not here. It was long ago, and I left twitter a couple of years after that. But I carry the suspicion around with me still.

      [–]ShalomEveryone 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      I think it is one person

      I am one person.

      because he's pretty consistent with his delivery.

      If anything I am consistent in my message.

      I have seen him go off message with sarcasm a few times.

      Yes I have.

      Maybe he had too much to drink while posting.

      I don't drink alcohol, I never acquired a taste for it.

      Shalom

      ✡️

      [–]steveknobs 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (3 children)

      I don't even think "shalomeveryone" is a real person.

      and that could be said about almost everyone on these forums, couldnt it?

      who the fuck are you? did you want to have a phone call with me?

      that is what i thought.

      everything on these forums is false narrative or it is childish people pushing childish agendas.

      [–]JasonCarswell[S] 6 insightful - 5 fun6 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

      Who are any of us?

      I respect /u/FlippyKing's insights enough to have added him to my SaidIt friends list.

      PM me and I'll give you my number.

      everything on these forums is false narrative or it is childish people pushing childish agendas.

      Maybe you don't belong here either.

      OP:

      Plus you and /u/ShalomEveryone can migrate to /u/fschmidt's new SaidIt-based sister-site https://FreedIt.com (if/when they are ready) for all the free speech you like. Follow their developments on /s/FreedIt.

      [–]FlippyKing 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

      thank you, my internet brother from another mother.

      [–]FlippyKing 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      it can be said about almost everyone on the internet entirely. I do not contest that, but I think it means we need to be cautious about "who" (or what) we invest our time with.

      I do not want to have a phone call with you. I don't really mind if you don't calm down either.

      I don't really see how you take something I said that you basically agree with, that anyone here or on the internet potentially, is not real, and instead of considering it or instead of dismissing it out of hand, you react to it by spreading my suspicion over everyone. Why?

      What of "shalomeveryone" makes you think he's either real or being real? If his account is run by one person and if it is the only account here that person runs, does that make the posts any more genuine or meaningful to you? Do you find his additions here useful? As I said, more power to you if so. Your reaction is childish, so I find it interesting you raise the matter of childishness.

      [–]HibikiBlack 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      I think It's quite posibly, Phoenix, one of the main leaders of TMoR, the rival sub of r/conspiracy and personally responsible for persecutting and banning the best conspiracists.

      It's actually the CIA pushing for the anti-Semitic memes in Saidit. The CIA is actually a Catholic, Jesuit controlled organization and a rather anti-Semitic group.

      [–]FlippyKing 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

      The FBI sent, and probably published themselves, letters to the editors of papers like the NY Times that were filled with racist BS to make it seem like the average person was much more racist and hateful of MLK than they were. Fomenting hate, fear, and suspicion, within the population is how government protects itself. Many Catholics think the Jesuits and their own church's hierarchy is run by Freemasons or out-right satanists (for those who see a distinction worth making between the two). I think every institution that has even a sniff of power is corrupted and taken over by either a small group of powerful (earthly power, money, blackmail etc) monsters, or by people wholly beholden to a small group of powerful monsters, so call it CIA, Jesuits, B'Nai Brith, Freemasons, Oddfellows, Girl Scouts, Democrats, Republicans, Communists, Socialists, Fascists, Greens, Sabatians, people with good paying jobs and benefits, upright citizens, or what ever, the rats will rush to it and devour it if it serves their purpose.

      Good link, thanks. But, profilers profile EVERYONE (except maybe themselves) as security risks and as potential criminals. So, of course the CIA classifies their stereotypical Jews as risks, and their non-stereotypical Jews ("trying to fit in, eh? What are you hiding" they'd say), and everyone else. Parents who want control over their kids education are now domestic terrorists. EVERYONE who is not part of the club is a threat to the club. The club is fueled by hate, disdain for people, greed, and most of vices, and if they escape the vice of sloth it is out of fear and the vice of scruples that they are not doing enough to keep afloat in the sea of shit they create around themselves that the world is drowning.

      [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      what if they're right

      [–]blackpoop321 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

      Okay Rabbi.

      [–]ShalomEveryone 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      the OP is the one that is being offensive. I

      I agree, isn't that ironic?

      I find nothing wrong with the posts of /u/shalomeveryone

      Thank you, neither do I.

      Shalom

      ✡️

      [–]Drewski 11 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 3 fun -  (45 children)

      Just a troll, block and move on.

      [–]steveknobs 8 insightful - 7 fun8 insightful - 6 fun9 insightful - 7 fun -  (18 children)

      i enjoy reading his posts, so if you block him and block me then he and i can have a nice conversation without you butting in.

      [–]jet199 6 insightful - 7 fun6 insightful - 6 fun7 insightful - 7 fun -  (16 children)

      Like what's your favourite brand of hummus.

      [–][deleted] 7 insightful - 6 fun7 insightful - 5 fun8 insightful - 6 fun -  (3 children)

      Sabra hummus is terrible. Even the red pepper one tastes blah. So yeah boycott that slop for multiple reasons.

      [–]JasonCarswell[S] 4 insightful - 5 fun4 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

      Sabra hummus is terrible. Even the red pepper one tastes blah.

      Truth-seeking can end now. I found it.

      [–]jet199 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      My issue is that hummus is supposed to be made with olive oil but you can't buy that kind in store. They all have rapeseed oil or something else nasty with just maybe a spoonful of olive oil in the top. In my mind this stops it from being a healthy food.

      [–]steveknobs 6 insightful - 5 fun6 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 5 fun -  (8 children)

      asking me what my favorite brand of hummus is would qualify as "dragging down the conversation".

      [–]jet199 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

      Kinky

      [–]steveknobs 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

      these forums are useless. i just got here and people make stupid insults.

      wow.

      [–]jet199 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

      In think you need to turn on your humour function.

      You are misreading every reply.

      [–]steveknobs 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

      please block me and go on with your perfect life.

      no need for you to ever respond to me again.

      goood day.

      [–]jet199 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

      In don't block anyone.

      Stop putting the emotional labour on me.

      [–]steveknobs 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      go the fuck back to where you came from.

      [–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

      people make stupid insults.

      .stlusni diputs ekam elpoep

      [–]chottohen 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

      I make my own. (Can or package of garbanzos [one can for two people, etc.], spoonful of peanut butter or that other stuff with the fancy name [Tahini, made from Sesame, not Peanuts], olive oil, bit of salt, lemon juice, and I like a bit of monosodium glutamate too but that is up to you, [blend all in, uh, blender] paprika and a little drizzled olive oil on top. Mozoltof.)

      [–]jet199 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      How long does it last?

      [–]chottohen 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      I should have said two (2) cans of beans if it's for more than two people, btw. It will last two or three days easily in the fridge but it's usually gone on the first sitting. Very healthy. I forgot to make a joke about Hamas.

      [–]ShalomEveryone 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      i enjoy reading his posts

      Thank You.

      Shalom

      ✡️

      [–]Chipit 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (15 children)

      All that does is prevent you from seeing its posts.

      The problem is that it's polluting the entire site. Which is the account's whole idea behind posting. It needs to be banned, for everyone's sake.

      [–]magnora7 14 insightful - 7 fun14 insightful - 6 fun15 insightful - 7 fun -  (14 children)

      The problem is that one person's "Please remove this obvious problem" is another person's "How dare you censor me, this site is corrupt and I'm going to tell everyone how bad it is!" and everyone draws that line in a different place.

      So say that I might see a banning as justified, but then maybe 60% of users do not agree (often because they don't know the full story in many cases and just see the surface). So as admin it's much easier to do nothing, than to potentially jeopardize the site by appearing corrupt by seemingly banning users that don't deserve it. This is why we have the pyramid of debate, so there is an objective metric for removal.

      There is no obvious solution to this type of problem. If we make a "you can't troll" rule for saidit for example, then that changes this entire forum completely after 3 years of being consistent with our rules, and many people would leave in response to that. Not to mention what is considered "trolling" is a very subjective thing, and that opinion will differ from mod to mod. This is basically how subreddit moderation on reddit works right now, and why it's such a mess. The line between "satire" and "trolling" is very thin in many cases.

      New rules like "no trolling" could be done with a new website, but to make such a drastic change in policy this late in the game to saidit is basically what ruqqus did and exactly why it had a user revolt and collapsed and failed. They made an abrupt change in policy once they realized how deep this trolling/shilling problem is, and it was like a rug pull for a good portion of the community, and the upset users (many of them shills and trolls) whipped the other users in to a frenzy in response to the policy change, and it led to the admins being overwhelmed and the admin team fracturing and collapsing, causing ruqqus to shut down.

      Saidit has thankfully had the pyramid of debate since day 1, and we've hardly changed our rules at all since the day we started, and this is our strong point. It does leave us vulnerable in certain ways like the OP, but it also makes us strong because it's obvious we're following the rules we've had since day 1, which shows how non-corrupt our admin and mod team is, which is our strong point compared to reddit and other sites like ruqqus. It's why we're still here, and will continue to be here.

      This is why we must follow the pyramid of debate, and be very careful as admins not to just "make up rules" in the case of annoying users. This is also why we added a userban button, to put the choice in the hands of the users rather than the admins. It's not a perfect solution, but we've arrived at this set of solutions for all these very specific reasons.

      [–]Chipit 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (12 children)

      Well, then the trolls are going to continue their work. Saidit is never going to be a Reddit replacement, not with these people deliberately posting in order to drive people away from the site. It's their day job.

      userban button, to put the choice in the hands of the users rather than the admins

      All that does is block you from seeing their posts. It's nearly useless; trolls still have an effect. It's pulling the wool over your own eyes. If blocking instead removed the ability of trolls to interact with your posts and comments in any way, that would be a tremendous improvement. They'd have one of their chief weapons - the ability to stench up any thread - declawed.

      [–]magnora7 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (10 children)

      We do ban spam accounts, so if he's spamming a lot that would warrant banning.

      I understand your frustration, believe me I do. But if we banned everyone who I thought was deliberately sabotaging this forum but not breaking any rules, we'd lose a portion of our users. Those users would very likely stir up a revolt in the saidit userbase by making new user accounts and posting to "expose the censorship and rule changes" that would cause another larger portion of users to leave. Which is exactly what caused the failure of ruqqus, and voat, and many more. So that's obviously not what we want.

      And furthermore, banning these users who are not actually technically breaking any rules functionally accomplishes nothing, as they immediately create another account and start another "personality" and then they'd have to be banned again after they create enough of a mess on the new account. It's never-ending whack-a-mole with them deliberately being annoying as possible without technically breaking any rules. And it is with the intent of driving away other users, I agree.

      And also please realize many of them want to be banned (without technically breaking any rules) so they can make a stink on reddit and saidit about how bad saidit is and how corrupt and broken it is, because they weren't breaking any rules. And some of these people apparently have functionally infinite IP addresses, because they apparently have military-grade VPNs or can completely spoof IPs. So that's fun. It's probably paid operators, since it's been happening for hours a day for 3 years straight, and they have all this intense IP spoofing software. Same thing affected ruqqus, voat, poal, etc

      This is just how the internet is now, unfortunately. But we think our solutions for these problems are pretty good compared to most sites, generally speaking. But I could also see the use for an additional new website that has slightly more strict rules. But it also requires a level of trust in the admins from the users, to judge what is "harmful trolling" and what isn't. It's a tightrope.

      If blocking instead removed the ability of trolls to interact with your posts and comments in any way, that would be a tremendous improvement.

      So in addition to you not seeing their activity, they would also not see your activity? I think this makes sense, I would support this upgrade. I can't really see any downsides.

      [–]AXXA 9 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 4 fun -  (8 children)

      So in addition to you not seeing their activity, they would also not see your activity? I think this makes sense, I would support this upgrade. I can't really see any downsides.

      This is how Reddit does it now and it will end up killing them. It's a horrible idea that enables intellectual cowards. Saidit is about challenging your thinking with different perspectives. It would be an absolute goldmine for shills and trolls. All they would need to do is block everybody that ever dared disagree with their narrative. Then they could spew whatever lies they wished without ever being challenged or corrected. The strength of Saidit is that we CAN disagree. That freedom to be able to disagree exists hardly anyplace else right now. Saidit is already perfect exactly as it is. Please don't give in to the intellectual cowards. Any idea that can't stand up to scrutiny is a worthless intellectual dead-end.

      [–]magnora7 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

      Hm interesting points. But, I don't think people getting blocked are going to intellectually engage in an honest way anyway, that's rather the point of point of the block function isn't it? To remove from sight people you think are not acting in good faith.

      If a troll blocked all people who disagreed with them, and then those people couldn't see it, then they're basically quarantining themselves off from the rest of the website, right? So then the trolling isn't as effective because it doesn't have as broad of reach.

      I'm more undecided on it now because of your good points, but I think it's still a good idea despite the potential downsides.

      [–]AXXA 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

      For the sake of argument we could assume a ratio of one active participant to ten inactive non-participant readers. The troll only has to block the one active participant in order to reach the ten readers unchallenged and uncorrected.

      [–]magnora7 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

      Yeah, fair point. I'll have to think about it some more I guess.

      But IRL a restraining order blocks both parties from seeing each other, or even being within distance of each other, so it does seem weird to allow the bully to watch the person being bullied even after blocking, which is how ours is currently configured.

      But I see your point about people abusing it to shut down any dissent in their threads. If only there was a way to differentiate between the two situations...

      [–]AXXA 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

      The account that made the suggestion has an extensive history of posting numerous topics of relevant discussion and then making completely baseless ad hominem attacks against anybody that tries to discuss it. That account is the only account that I've had to warn at the ad hominem level of the Pyramid simply because of the constant non-stop use of the tactic. I don't trust that account's motivations one bit.

      I agree with you that it would be nice to be able to separate warring parties. A lot of times people just aren't willing to let the other side have the last word and the drama just keeps spiraling out of control. And then when an admin is finally forced to warn one side or the other they often assume that the admin is taking sides and adds them into the drama. They just don't understand that the admin is a referee and not a player. I haven't thought of a perfect solution yet but I'll keep thinking about it and let you know my ideas.

      [–]AXXA 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

      It's also intellectually, philosophically, and morally wrong. It would be the equivalent of handing censorship machine guns out at a toddler daycare. Please note that the account that made the suggestion has been identified as a troll by many people including the OP and myself. Please note his use of concern trolling.

      [–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      I don't think people getting blocked are going to intellectual engage in an honest way anyway

      It goes both ways. People block for stupid reasons too.

      [–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

      Saidit is already perfect exactly as it is.

      IFIFY:
      Saidit would be perfect exactly as it is if you removed the block user altogether - and - released the problems into the wilderness of FreedIt.com.

      [–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      then they'd have to be banned again

      Subjective as it is, dragging down is against the rules. You could (and have) defined much as dragging down.

      They get away with it if you do nothing and they win 100%.

      Whack the moles and some, or even many, may not return, thus not losing 100%.

      so they can make a stink on reddit

      Why do you even care about Reddit or their lies?

      But I could also see the use for an additional new website that has slightly more strict rules.

      I have 2 ideas for new topical forums, preferably on decentralized Lemmy, if you're interested in branching out, assuming there aren't any like these. One is ScienceUncensored.com (or whatever name you prefer) and the other I forget (somewhere in my notes). You may have some obvious trolling, and political tainting but I would expect the science discussion to generally be more elevated.

      [–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      Yes, block user has always been VERY problematic.

      If blocking instead removed the ability of trolls to interact with your posts and comments in any way,

      Great idea! Read the immunization explanation below.

      [–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 4 fun1 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

      (often because they don't know the full story in many cases and just see the surface)

      Because you haven't established any consistent system to openly show the process.

      This is why we have the pyramid of debate, so there is an objective metric for removal.

      The Pyramid Of Debate is a fantastic broadly subjective guide, but it has troubling issues as a hard rule.

      There is no obvious solution to this type of problem. [...] ...then that changes this entire forum completely after 3 years of being consistent with our rules, and many people would leave in response to that.

      /u/FreedIt IS the solution. You talked about making another site. Now you don't have to. They can be the other part of the filtration system.

      to make such a drastic change in policy this late in the game

      It seems to me we don't need new rules, or much of a change, if any change at all. But now you need not dread to tread on the downward draggers and bottom dwellers - and hopefully new users of that ilk may find sanctuary on FreedIt before they bother to settle in here. Win win, in my opinion (not to be confused with .win or /u/wizzwizz4).

      the upset users (many of them shills and trolls) whipped the other users in to a frenzy in response to the policy change

      I don't know enough about that situation so comment on it. I do know that we have a great community here and great admins. You know that if you, or anyone, pulls some shit I'll speak my mind, as will others, and if there is and authentic and/or artificial frenzy frothing and disrupting, the fact is, as before so again, we have MANY community pillars here to say our truths to whatever fallacious hurricanes may try to blow your house down.

      shows how non-corrupt our admin and mod team is, which is our strong point compared to reddit and other sites

      Truth! And a toast to SaidIt's authenticity, consistency, excellence, and stamina! ACES!!!

      [–][deleted] 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

      I would block but I don't like how then when a blocked person like shalom makes comment, it erases all the replies to it that I might have otherwise seen. Saidit needs to change so just the blocked person isn't seen. I guess that might be confusing as I'd wonder what they're replying to but still. I don't like when I see a post on saidit and it says it has like 17 comments but then I open it up and don't see any.

      [–]magnora7 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

      I'd support a change like this, this makes sense to me

      [–]AXXA 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      [–]magnora7 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      Interesting idea...

      [–]chottohen 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (4 children)

      It's just that the Israeli flag at the end of his every post is...so tacky, just as an American flag would be. A Swedish flag wouldn't be, if you see what I mean.

      [–]AXXA 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

      Why wouldn't it be equally tacky if he put a Swedish flag at the end of his every post?

      [–]chottohen 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

      A reasonable question. Well I guess for one, the Swedes rarely talk about ruling the whole fucking world. Zionists don't so much say it, as imply it. So what will they do when they take over the world and it's only Zionists— try to destabilize other zionists? Don't worry, I'm surely not angry with you but arrogance is something that triggers me. All right, that is all the anti-zionism I can muster for today.

      [–]AXXA 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      interesting answer

      thank you

      [–]chottohen 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      You are most welcome. BTW, my answer also applies to goy zionists, of which there are many but I do not allow my life to be defined by my position on this subject.

      [–]chottohen 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

      Sealion

      [–]Ehhhhhh 10 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

      So, it's ok to censor because you don't like him/her/it?

      Block and move on.

      [–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

      OP:

      ...and dragging down discussions (only the last is ban-worthy by site rules).

      Plus you and /u/ShalomEveryone can migrate to /u/fschmidt's new SaidIt-based sister-site https://FreedIt.com (if/when they are ready) for all the free speech you like. Follow their developments on /s/FreedIt.

      [–]Ehhhhhh 8 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 4 fun -  (3 children)

      Cool. How about you go find another site or try twitter / Facebook if you value the ability to get someone banned because they go against your narrative vs you telling others to leave?

      I like a lot of what you post, but dislike you often attacking or calling for bans on users who counter your posts.

      [–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

      on users who counter your posts.

      That's not the problem at all. Clearly you're not understanding why I'm calling for their removal.

      [–]Ehhhhhh 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      For some reason, you do not like other users being able to read his posts or comments, and make the decision ourselves whether to block or not.

      You feel its in our "best interest" if he were just banned.. perhaps so that we don't question your posts? Perhaps to promote another site? Perhaps to act like you have some sort of control? Perhaps to test/prove to others that saidit could censor others just because some are crybabies?

      I'm not really certain of your motive, but I don't like it, as it isn't honest or as clear as you claim.

      [–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      Again, you're completely missing the mark.

      And it's not about me.

      It's about SaidIt, SaidIt rules, and SaidIt's integrity and image.

      I'm not really certain of your motive, but I don't like it, as it isn't honest or as clear as you claim.

      Backatcha. You seem to be of the few here who don't get it, seemingly intentionally. Feel free to read the other comments here to understand or ask the way more than half of the folks who support me to explain.

      [–]ShalomEveryone 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      According to him, yes.

      Shalom

      ✡️

      [–]IkeConn 8 insightful - 6 fun8 insightful - 5 fun9 insightful - 6 fun -  (0 children)

      I like reading his stupid ass Shalom shit.

      [–]Chipit 9 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 4 fun -  (20 children)

      Obviously it's a troll account. It needs to be banned.

      Note who jumps out in defense of the troll account. Those are super sus. I get the idea they've got a chat server somewhere where they talk amongst themselves.

      [–]jet199 5 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

      As if anyone on Saidit has friends.

      [–]Tiwaking 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      jet199 2 insightful - 2 fun - an hour ago As if anyone on Saidit has friends.

      my secret shame

      [–]FlippyKing 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      good, point, but I don't know if a chat server is needed when a small spiral bound "notes to self" notebook will probably serve the troll well. I do think it's just one of many accounts run by a single ner-do-well.

      [–]Chipit 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

      It's an obvious sock puppet account.

      [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      If it’s a troll account, that is comedy genius.

      [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

      nah it's cringe humor, not funny after awhile

      [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

      it's interesting shalom or his socks name aren't coming to defend him, it's probably not a topic they want to be discussed too much, that being what the point of his trolling here is.

      [–]jet199 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

      If Shalom is actually Socks then he should be banned.

      Socks is an antisemite too stupid to realise he's a racist.

      Such a person will do a lot of damage pretending to be Jewish.

      [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      I don't think that's bannable. They probably don't want to ban anyone unless talking violence or putting up child porn.

      [–]ShalomEveryone 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      Thank You

      Shalom

      ✡️

      [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      Socks is an antisemite too stupid to realise he's a racist.

      Read my comment history before you make dumb insults like this. And if you don't want to read the comment history, ask me about Israel.

      Such a person will do a lot of damage pretending to be Jewish.

      Also a dumb comment. Please think before commenting.

      [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      But Jew-awareness is a GOOD thing... What are you on about? Defending the subhuman enemies of civilization?

      [–]ShalomEveryone 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      If Shalom is actually Socks then he should be banned.

      ShalomEveryone is not Socks.

      Socks is an antisemite too stupid to realise he's a racist.

      I don't recall reading anything on the level of antisemitism on his end.

      Such a person will do a lot of damage pretending to be Jewish.

      Shining a light to white supremacists who are a threat to America and harm others damages Jews? Fighting the lies that say the holocaust never happened does damage to Jews? Saying Anne Frank's diary is legit does damage to Jews?

      I tell you what hurts Jews, antisemitism that goes uncontested. Misinformation hurts Jews.

      Shalom

      ✡️

      [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

      I'm not Shalom - and as you may have seen by now, I've defended him in this crazy thread.

      [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      sure

      your name is because you are a sock puppet, don't even try to hide it

      [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      [–]ShalomEveryone 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      it's interesting shalom or his socks name aren't coming to defend him

      Pardon my delay, I was busy with work. Commercial paper does not issue itself, raw data does not manipulate itself in a spreadsheet to provide new insights.

      it's probably not a topic they want to be discussed too much, that being what the point of his trolling here is.

      No trolling on my end, what I say is genuine.

      Shalom

      ✡️

      [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      kek

      [–]ShalomEveryone 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      Obviously it's a troll account.

      I'm not a troll account. Does a troll account regularly back up their truthful claim with reliable sources?

      I get the idea they've got a chat server somewhere where they talk amongst themselves.

      Sounds like projection to me. Is that what you did with disgruntled redditors when your favorite subs were banned? Posting on saidit is not serious enough to dedicate ourselves to talk about our posting strategy. Just because it sounds like you did that with reddit, does not mean others do that here on saidit.

      Shalom

      ✡️

      [–]Chipit 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      Psychological projection is the process of misinterpreting what is "inside" as coming from "outside". It forms the basis of empathy by the projection of personal experiences to understand someone else's subjective world. It is a defense mechanism in which the ego defends itself against disowned and highly negative parts of the self by denying their existence in themselves and attributing them to others, breeding misunderstanding and causing untold interpersonal damage. For example, someone who is rude may constantly accuse others of being rude.

      [–]Entropick 9 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

      I don't want to comment on the u/ in question but I share similar sentiments. I wish to comment on u/JasonCarswell's effort and motivation. You have an energy and passion that is sincere and unique. I admire that a lot as I am lacking in the focus and drive you have. I want to quit fucking around too. I don't carry any anger or hatred in my heart and soul for anyone, even for those some might be angry with. Seeing actions of the past work out as they have compels me to make a personal effort to avoid any of our prior mistakes. I will strive for compromise, mediation and non-violence. I've never intended anything more passionately in my life than how strongly I want to see peaceful resolutions. Thanks Jason & everyone.

      [–]JasonCarswell[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      Thank you for your kind review. I really value and tremendously respect your insights and efforts too.

      I might have had a family and still have my career but Big Pharma destroyed me for a decade or more from 2008 on. So, now I have different goals, meaning, purpose, and fulfillment - and the freedom to pursue it in my limited way.

      _ I want to quit fucking around too._

      https://Projex.Wiki is keen to welcome you aboard, if that's your thing. Other platforms are on the roadmap if PW works out.

      I don't carry anger at all either, not even for enemies, only profound disdain for their evil deeds, though many assume I'm pissed from my dynamic communication style, but I won't hesitate to call out the bullshit.

      They have the monopoly on violence. We can never win against them and any step on that slippery slope delegitimizes us. Counter-propaganda with alternatives and solutions is the only way, IMO.

      I'd write more but I'm already late for a Sanctuary cooperative preppers community solutions meeting.

      [–]FlippyKing 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      I wish there was something more than just a "like" lightbulb, but something very far short of money, I could give for this post.

      [–][deleted] 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (29 children)

      well he's a satire account, he makes based comments by mistake sometimes, he is here to try to make jews look bad.

      [–]jet199 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

      He's just a bored civil servant doing some old fashioned trolling and laughing at us when he manages to hook someone with his shtick.

      Probably not even Jewish.

      Probably a godless Muslim rebelling against stuff his dad says at home.

      [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

      I see similar stuff online, like on twitter some people post like that as a stereotypical jewish person saying dumb stuff, they usually get banned quick, saidit has more free speech and stupid unfunny cringe posts are down their pyramid but not exactly bannable.

      [–]JasonCarswell[S] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (22 children)

      As in all things, I'm skeptical.

      It's a tedious timesuck with terribly fallacious arguments - and never funny if actually a "satire".

      Maybe one day I'll make the satire account idea I once shared with d3rr. It would be amusing and illuminating to be sure, but my time is better spent productively in these strange times.

      Can you and/or others convince me it's parody?

      [–][deleted] 11 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 3 fun -  (16 children)

      I suspect the same thing. That account is a parody at best. Its agenda is not in advance of Jews but to make them look bad. And the dude drives me crazy sometimes, but I don't want him banned. u/ShalomEveryone puts effort into his writings, he contributes to Saidit.

      The point of a forum is discussion and disagreement furthers discourse.

      Also, as far as I know, he seems to generally abide by the rules.

      [–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (15 children)

      The point of a forum is discussion and disagreement furthers discourse.

      I fail to see him doing that.

      [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (14 children)

      You say that in what is probably going to be the biggest thread on here this week.

      [–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

      LOL, touché.

      [–]ShalomEveryone 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (12 children)

      You say that in what is probably going to be the biggest thread on here this week.

      You got that right my friend!

      Shalom

      ✡️

      [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      This site love love loves interpersonal drama.

      I used to have calls to ban me about twice a month on Reddit. It was pretty shitty. And of course I was banned here. You didn't say anything about that. Regardless, I argue against the idea of banning you.

      [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

      Admire your dedication to a novelty account.

      [–]ShalomEveryone 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

      What's the novelty? Someone with a differing opinion who holds his ground? Someone who does not tell outright lies?

      Shalom

      ✡️

      [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

      Hah, keep on truckin dude.

      [–]ShalomEveryone 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

      Is that your roundabout way of saying you made a baseless claim about me being a novelty account? What's my novelty? Where's the novelty in holding my own?

      Shalom

      ✡️

      [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

      I mean don't you think it makes jews look bad? They'd be offended at a guy saying shalom and putting the star of david in every post, like some kind of stereotypical caricature.

      https://saidit.net/s/news/comments/8rzb/bob_saget_dead_at_65/wk3j Here is a recent based conservative type post he made by mistake

      [–]JasonCarswell[S] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

      I mean don't you think it makes jews look bad? They'd be offended at a guy saying shalom and putting the star of david in every post, like some kind of stereotypical caricature.

      Things you say make you look bad too. Like anywhere else other Jews are generally free to express their opinions. Some may care, some may not, some Jews may be (((Zionists))), and some may not be. We can ask /u/fschmidt (and others on SaidIt I don't recall at the moment) what their opinions are.

      Above all it makes SaidIt look bad.

      We have enough alleged and actual anti-Semitism/racism on SaidIt without having to draw it out with a star-shaped spotlight that is not funny.

      That's hardly based. It's just obvious. Jews are on both sides of the (((ZOG))) aisle.

      [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

      yeah he's trying to make saidit look bad. He's probably a guy that advocated violence against jews in the past, and got banned for it. It says a lot about someone to keep up such a vendetta for years, and posting that same thing in multiple comments a day here.

      [–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      That's a lot of speculating. Got anything to back up those theories?

      [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      Yeah it's speculating, the only thing we can tell for a fact is that he's a troll based on his posts. That's what you're doing too tho.

      [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

      In my view it's not a satire account. He's genuine, and writes exactly what he believes. He contributes to Saidit, which I think is sufficient for him to be welcome here, regardless of what others think of him. He's not any of the things he's accused of here by the OP, or in the thread. (He and I often disagree and agree on a broad range of issues; not that this matters, however.)

      [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      you're a satire account too, trying to make liberals look stupid.

      [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      No - Popper - those who disagree with you aren't odd beings. They are much like you and other people.

      [–]ShalomEveryone 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      In my view it's not a satire account. He's genuine, and writes exactly what he believes.

      Thank you ShalomeEveryone I mean socks.

      Shalom

      ✡️

      [–]zyxzevn 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

      I agree. He is just a complete shill and troll. Pretending to be jewish to make it seem anti-semetic (for legal reasons) when you oppose him.

      [–]Vulptex 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

      I'm pretty sure that's a troll.

      [–]milkmender11 7 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 4 fun -  (20 children)

      Nah we don't do that here. I like SE. Refreshing and undebiably dedicated troll methodology. Old school 4chan would be proud. Besides if you ban him, who the heck would even still be on this site. It's like him and four other people

      [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (12 children)

      one of the reasons it's so dead is new people come and see so many trolls and spammers then leave

      [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

      This. This is an infinitely underrated post. But Carswell's METHOD is godawful.

      [–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

      I'm open to improving.

      I'd also point out that authoritarianism with "strong leaders" is worse than godawful, no matter how you spin it.

      [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

      Depends on the leader.

      [–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

      Depends on the leader.

      No. It doesn't.
      They're all human.
      They all must be Machiavellian to even become leader.
      Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

      [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

      Your definition of human is lacking.

      [–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

      I didn't define it, so how would you know?

      IMO, you should create /s/askanazi.

      [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

      Inference. You hold that power corrupts. Yes, this is true, unless somebody has become fully incorruptible. There is an actual science of the mind that allows this, and its practicioners readily see the near-infinite advantages of such a state.

      Therefore MOST people are corruptible and will remain so, but there are and will be growing numbers of fully incorruptible individuals. While these are EXCEEDINGLY rare today, there will be more. Soon. Give it a decade and there could be enough to head every single nation on Earth.

      [–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

      Inference ≠ definition.

      There already are more than enough to lead all nations - many times over. But they will never be allowed to by the corrupt matrix of rigged systems of centralized power.

      We need alternative FOTPACH systems.

      [–]ShalomEveryone 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      How do you know that? You took an informal poll? You monitored saidit's metrics and when I make a post there is a trend of members who stop posting?

      Shalom

      ✡️

      [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      please just stop spamming and go away

      [–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

      As in the OP, you can follow:

      .../u/ShalomEveryone [...] to /u/fschmidt's new SaidIt-based sister-site https://FreedIt.com (if/when they are ready) for all the free speech you like. Follow their developments on /s/FreedIt.

      who the heck would even still be on this site

      Everyone who is here now except him, and you if you follow, and anyone else who prefers.

      [–]milkmender11 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

      Ah, I see--you are suggesting that, because I like SE, I should leave and go somewhere else so you can have a Saiddit that more closely resembles what you wish it to be, absent SE and I. I understand your meaning and grasp your suggestion in the good faith with which it was made.

      I likewise have a suggestion to offer. Since it is your preference to ban SE, and to ask me to leave Saidit, I believe your priorities are less aligned with Saidit and more aligned with a different forum-style site that you may or may not be aware of.

      Please direct yourself to: www.reddit.com

      They would love to have you! Your censorious inclination is precisely what they are looking for over there! You will fit in magnificently.

      [–]JasonCarswell[S] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

      Ah, I see--you are suggesting that, because I like SE, I should leave and go somewhere else

      Clearly you don't see. I said you can follow them when they go, not leave. Follow the rules and participate on both SaidIt and Freedit or select one, as you like. I don't have a beef with you, but if you want more free speech and/or you enjoy the company of sealions, liars, shills, and/or trolls then FreedIt might be better for you.

      a Saiddit that more closely resembles what you wish it to be

      It's not about my wishes, it's about following the site rules including downward dragging to undermine SaidIt.

      and to ask me to leave Saidit

      I never said that.

      Your censorious inclination is precisely what they are looking for over there!

      Your boring attempt at satire is tedious and predictably plain. I bet you have no clue how much trash the admins of SaidIt have to deal with on the regular. Deleting STABs (spam, trolls, and bots) is routine site maintenance. Clearing out Shalom is an irregular part of that, only mildly different.

      [–]milkmender11 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

      Oh, cut the disingenuous faux-concern. Your posts are dripping, dripping with supercillious contemptuousness. We aren't redditors. We know you. We're all kind of like you here. At least I openly ridicule you, you aren't fooling anyone in pretending that you are acting in good faith. That's why I mocked you for acting so. That was the joke. Swoosh.

      So don't backpeddle now and say you were doing anything other than saying you want SE and I gone. This isn't a debate, we both know you. We are both walking into this knowing what is in your head. It's just you and I here, nobody else gives a shit about this speck of a thread in this solitary post on this obscure corner of the internet. This is functionally DMs between us to. Drop the act and tell me what you really think of me. HIT ME damnit HIT ME

      You have failed to offer a justification of why your marvellously vague and frankly bizarre interpretation of the rules is correct. You seem to think it is a given simply because you say it. So let's so the Saiddit thing, if you want to 'follow the rules' so badly. What is your argument? Give me the specifics. How is SE breaking the rules? And how is your argument rooted in a reasonable and objective interpretation of the rules, absent your own personal conjecture?

      Your boring attempt at satire is tedious and predictably plain.

      My friend... How can I explain this... That isn't how this works. I'm not defending myself, trying to demonstrate that to you that my words are not tedious or plain. That is the point. YOU are the point. Eliciting that reaction, specifically, from you, is the point. I would be sarcastic, tedious, plain, sardonic, insightful, or creative, only just to receive this response from you, specifically. That is how trolling works. That is its lifeblood. Welcome to the internet.

      It is interesting that you find my suggestion to be tedious and plain, though. That indicates you have received the same suggestion repeatedly, to the point where it has become excrutiatingly banal. You even imply that I commit a faux pas by invoking such supposedly quotidian tropes. Curious--I have never received the suggestion myself. Most of us here haven't. What is unique about you that it comes so frequently?... The mob doesn't agree on much, you know. Perhaps there is some wisdom in their consistent critique of you.

      [–]JasonCarswell[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      Your posts are dripping, dripping with supercillious contemptuousness. We aren't redditors. We know you.

      If you know me then you know that I'm being earnest.

      you aren't fooling anyone in pretending that you are acting in good faith.

      My good faith OP is about how I want trash off of SaidIt. I'm not pretending. You can leave with him if you like. You can guarantee that if you break the rules.

      nobody else gives a shit about this speck of a thread in this solitary post on this obscure corner of the internet.

      This may be true. And on this obscure corner of the internet I don't want to read spam, trolls, shills, liars, bots, and rule breakers clogging and tangling up our threads. We don't have time for this shit when there's a global psycho-info-war on.

      Drop the act and tell me what you really think of me. HIT ME damnit HIT ME

      I don't think of you. I don't even remember interacting with your alias name before this post. As always on SaidIt, I'm never just responding to the individual (unless in PMs) I'm responding for the crowd, whether they even read it or not. In this case, you're just another anon to respond to of hundreds or even thousands until you earn a place in my memory and your alias takes on a personality worth respecting, rejecting, or something in between.

      You seem to think it is a given simply because you say it.

      I posted it in /s/AskSaidIt, not /s/DecreeUntoSaidIt.

      How is SE breaking the rules? And how is your argument rooted in a reasonable and objective interpretation of the rules, absent your own personal conjecture?

      Sealioning like you, plus lying and downward dragging to undermine SaidIt, as I've already stated. Read my post again and the linked conversation if you're confused.

      I would be sarcastic, tedious, plain, sardonic, insightful, or creative, only just to receive this response from you, specifically.

      Tiresome and dull witted attempts to provoke are indeed banal. If you can actually be insightful, creative, or witty I'd be more likely to engage, and in more length and depth, since it seems you seek that. If you can do so, you will be a rarity on SaidIt, IMO. I already see your rich vocabulary worth great respect (best I recall on SaidIt) but a cornucopia of vernacular flourishes without substantial ideas ultimately exhibits as an empty fragile vase ever yearning for ephemeral flowers.

      You even imply that I commit a faux pas

      Where? You've lost me.

      _Curious--I have never received the suggestion myself. Most of us here haven't.

      Again, I'm not sure what suggestion you're referring to.

      Perhaps there is some wisdom in their consistent critique of you.

      I'm certain it's not as consistent as you've incorrectly inferred.

      " A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds,
      adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines.
      With consistency a great soul has simply nothing to do.
      He may as well concern himself with his shadow on the wall.
      Speak what you think now in hard words,
      and to-morrow speak what to-morrow thinks in hard words again,
      though it contradict every thing you said to-day.
      — 'Ah, so you shall be sure to be misunderstood.' —
      Is it so bad, then, to be misunderstood?
      Pythagoras was misunderstood, and Socrates,
      and Jesus, and Luther, and Copernicus, and Galileo, and Newton,
      and every pure and wise spirit that ever took flesh.
      To be great is to be misunderstood. "
                  ~ Ralph Waldo Emerson

      [–]milkmender11 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      My good faith OP is about how I want trash off of SaidIt. I'm not pretending. You can leave with him if you like. You can guarantee that if you break the rules.

      You call us trash and assert good faith in the same breath. You remind me of my best friend. He likewise has this streak wherein he may behave as a bad faith actor, but so long as he honestly believes that 'trash' is an objective assessment and not his own opinion, then in his mind, he is acting in good faith. In reality it is an inflation of self-opinion, if not outright narcissistic. You self-define your parameters as objective and so semantically reorganize the argument in a way that, in your view, you have won before anyone says a word in contest.

      And on this obscure corner of the internet I don't want to read spam, trolls, shills, liars, bots, and rule breakers clogging and tangling up our threads.

      You didn't decry SE as a spamming bot, and the spirit of your original post was to convince others that he is a rule-breaker, which shows that you are aware that it is not a given.

      I do want trolls, shills, and liars here. I want to practice my ability to detect them (perhaps you would benefit from such practice as well, since your initial post seemed to suggest that you were on the fence about whether or not SE is a troll). So you have your opinion and I have mine. If you are so undeniably correct, where are the mods? MODS! I am a liar and a troll. I lie and troll on Saidit. I do other things too, but I hereby admit freely that I lie and troll. If this is a violation of the rules, please ban me. I will not circumvent the ban with a new account, I will simply respect your decision.

      Let's wait on that and see what happens.

      I don't think of you. I don't even remember interacting with your alias name before this post.

      If I wrote texts this long to a girl, she would rightly suspect that I have a crush. It is quite flattering. Is it my sisquipedalian elocution?

      Sealioning like you, plus lying and downward dragging to undermine SaidIt, as I've already stated.

      The rules don't mention sealioning or trolling. The pyramid of debate says nothing of this. In fact, the pyramid suggests that if the trolling encourages respectful debate, then regardless of whether or not it is trolling, it is good Saidit content. SE usually exercises a high level of debate despite his trolling. I am glad that he does so, because he presents leftist remonstrance better than real leftists do. Debating SE is like jogging with a weighted vest. Good practice for debating the real lefties, who are too often mismatched if they try to debate at all. You and I here have remained nearly exclusively in the top three eschalons of the pyramid. I don't see anything in our exchange that is anything other than exemplary Saidit content. This post has more engagement than I have seen on Saidit in weeks.

      I already see your rich vocabulary worth great respect (best I recall on SaidIt) but a cornucopia of vernacular flourishes without substantial ideas ultimately exhibits as an empty fragile vase ever yearning for ephemeral flowers.

      See? We respect each other. The trolling SE and I do is sophisticated. We only troll people like us, people we respect. It's a delicacy, much more involved than trolling common idiots. It's easy to find them on reddit but they bore us. It truly does take a mentally ill hypocrite to do this sort of trolling, just as you said. We are very strange people, but we still contribute meaningfully to Saidit. You should be flattered that SE has (I presume) trolled you more often or more effortfully than most. It is a sign of respect. The three of us should get together for brews.

      We write so similarly, if we suddenly censored our usernames and started arguing each others' side, people would have a hard time even telling who was who. Of course you respect me, because you respect yourself, and you recognize our similarities.

      Magnificent Emerson quote. Bravo. I cede the point on the mob's evaluation

      [–]ShalomEveryone 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Nah we don't do that here. I like SE. Refreshing and undebiably dedicated troll methodology.

      I don't troll but I appreciate the compliment.

      Shalom

      ✡️

      [–]fukit 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

      For these people that think shalomeveryone is a fake account to make Jews look bad, what about Jeff Zucker having CNN run the headline "mostly peaceful protests", in front of images of BLM/antifa mobs burning and rioting? Or the Waposts Jennifer Rubin gloating on twitter that the white population has declined based on census data? Or NYT times columnist Michelle Goldberg writing an article "we can replace them"?

      Hollywood/Media Jews do this kind of shit all the time. They love to rub the goys noses in it. They do it in part to cause a backlash they then use to whine about anti-semitism, and partly as a humiliation ritual. The same thing with continually showing BMWF couples in advertising, despite this not really having anything to do with selling the product.

      Shalomeveryone is just another in a long line of anti white Jews that continually do this shit. Twitter is full of them, many of them prominent media figures, politicians and academics.

      [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

      what about ...

      Does the common person see those people and think them representative of Jews as a whole? Shalom is over the top, in your face Jewish with the whole gimmick he does. It's almost cartoonish.

      [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

      so zucker's CNN is terrible so that means saidit should allow paid trolls. Makes sense.

      [–]fukit 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      Not my point at all. The point is that Zucker isnt an alt right troll, he's a genuinely rabidly pro zionist anti white douchebag that gaslights people with over the top Jewish propaganda that intelligent people know is total bullshit. The same could be said of (insert prominent Jewish liberal/neocon media figure here). They are a dime a dozen and you can see examples of their gaslighting every day, so I dont understand why people seem amazed that people like shalomeveryone could actually exist and figure he must be an alt right troll. The alt right couldnt invent someone like max boot if they tried. If shalom is actually an alt right troll my hats off to them, because they do a damn good impression of the anti white neocon/neoliberal we see in the media every day.

      Im not for banning him simply because I believe in free speech, and as long as he isnt making threats of violence or spamming the site then he should be allowed to say what he wants.

      [–]sproketboy 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

      It's a fed. Just block and move on.

      [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (5 children)

      [–]JasonCarswell[S] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

      Wow! T.I.L.

      [–]fukit 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

      You're surprised? It's called ZOG for a reason.

      [–]JasonCarswell[S] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

      It's the admission/confession that is surprising.

      /u/d3rr - see this?

      [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

      he'll probably say he was just jking but I notice with that shalom account he messed up a lot and admits things by mistake, I kind of think he does it because he hates his job.

      [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

      fuuuuuuuuck

      [–]milkmender11 6 insightful - 5 fun6 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 5 fun -  (10 children)

      ShalomEveryone is a master-level troll and this post's engagement stands as a testament to his skill and dedication. The fact that he has not posted here only goes to reinforce his patience and nuance, two of the most overlooked and important aspects of an excellent troll. You may not be commenting here SE, but we know you are with us, watching over us.

      [–]fukit 8 insightful - 6 fun8 insightful - 5 fun9 insightful - 6 fun -  (8 children)

      He's not a master level troll, he's a mentally ill caricature. Nothing he says is ever clever or exposes anything other than his own hypocrisy and hate. Only his coethnics ever find him amusing or upvote his shit, as we see here once again.

      It's certainly possible he's attempting to draw out comments and criticism of Jews in an effort to appeal to his coethnics with money and power to shut down the site, as we've seen people like him(and possibly him) do to other sites, but that only further serves to prove the people he hates most right.

      [–]milkmender11 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (7 children)

      I would expect any dedicated troll to indeed be mentally ill, hypocritical, and hateful. That's why we troll and the veridical reality of those characterizations is not lost on us. This is an art form that you don't 'get'--no, it is more than that. This art form depends and relies on you. You are the most important ingredient in SE's trolling. Thank you for being a part of our community! I, for one, am very glad you are here. Your presence enriches my Saidit experience, and I truly do mean that earnestly.

      [–]fukit 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

      If he or similar trolls experience some enjoyment in getting a response from me or others, I could care less. My target audience in pointing out his behavior is not him. His own real views are as irrelevent as he is, but he is a symptom of a greater problem. There are similar trolls who basically do what he does on CNN, in the NYT, on reddit and countless other mainstream media outlets. They have the power to do real damage as their bullshit goes completely unchallenged and their own motivations remain hidden. The current state of America is the end result.

      [–]milkmender11 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

      And yet here you are, engaging on my comment, a comment with virtually 0 engagement apart from you. You do care. You are here, with me, typing back and forth. You aren't communicating to an audience. You are comminicating with me and you know it. We are here together in this tiny little comment thread that barely another soul will see. This is why 'care more' is such a classic troll refrain. You are here, typing, you care. Regardless of what you say about intending to speak to someone besides me. If you really meant that, you wouldn't reply to me here. Please do, though! There is only one way I 'lose' here, and that door closed the moment you replied.

      I understand your critique. In the long term, I can envision some possible futures in which you are actually entirely correct. I think the problem runs deeper though. The issue isn't that nobody challenges it. The issue is that there are invested entities that actively stifle our societal inclination and ability to challenge it. Their dominance would have to be contested before challenging trolls like SE would have any meaningful effect. I think you are putting the cart before the horse, so I'm not concerned with whether your analyais is correct or not. I would sooner hear an argument about how you think trolls like SE damage the quality of Saidit as a community.

      [–]Tiwaking 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      The issue isn't that nobody challenges it. The issue is that there are invested entities that actively stifle our societal inclination and ability to challenge it.

      Im of the opinion that a lot of people have blocked ShalomEveryone. I havent blocked him because I dont block anyone.

      [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      kind of cringe, you're not smart just sad

      [–]milkmender11 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Jokes on you, I am both smart and sad

      [–]ShalomEveryone 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      ShalomEveryone is a master-level troll and this post's engagement stands as a testament to his skill and dedication.

      I am not a troll but I appreciate the compliment.

      Shalom

      ✡️

      [–]WhiteZealot 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      He appears to be a paid operative. Trolls generally don't do their trolling consistently over a long period of time.

      [–]magnora7 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

      This. What troll does the exact same troll for hours a day, every day for months like it's their job? I can't imagine anyone would find it so amusing to do it that long organically. It strongly implies they're being paid. Paid to make forums look foolish or extremist, while not technically breaking any rules, to drive people away so the forum doesn't grow. It does seem likely.

      [–]yabbit 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

      yeah dude he sucks

      [–]Canbot 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

      I for one like it when the shills post thier propaganda here. It gives me the opportunity to destroy it publicly. That same propaganda will get posted in leftist walled gardens like reddit and be unchallenged because of censorship. Many people who lack the intelligence to see through it themselves are then doomed to believe it.

      If it is posted here there is at least a chance that those same people come here, see how wrong it is; maybe even realize that other websites are less trustworthy for not challenging the bullshit.

      [–]Drcolossus 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

      woosh!

      [–]thoughtcriminal 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      Yes his opinions are shit. Just block him if you don't like him.

      [–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      Or, as in the OP:

      .../u/ShalomEveryone can migrate to /u/fschmidt's new SaidIt-based sister-site https://FreedIt.com (if/when they are ready) for all the free speech you like. Follow their developments on /s/FreedIt.

      [–]fatman 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

      Let's go Shalom!!!

      [–]ShalomEveryone 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

      Hello fatman! Here I am, ready to go.

      Shalom

      ✡️

      [–]cisheteroscum 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      Yeah but

      I ask for them to be banned

      Personally I like my shills where i can see them

      Cool project and post tho. Ill check it out more when I have time

      [–]JasonCarswell[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      Personally I like my shills where i can see them

      Interesting idea. But not all shills are created equal. I often wonder about all the stupid authority escapades we hear in the news. CIA did this, FBI did that, etc etc etc. What about all the stupid and not so stupid shit we DON'T hear about? In that same vein, what about all the subtle shills that aren't as obvious as the rodeo clown distractions? To be fair to truth-seekers, free-thinkers, skeptics, and SaidItors - we're strong willed enough to not be easily swayed by subtleties so much as rationally convincing strong cases on matters.

      [–]chottohen 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

      Thanks for all the work you put into that Mr Carswell.

      How odd of God To choose the Jews — Ogden Nash though sometimes attributed to Dorothy Parker.

      [–]yabbit 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (66 children)

      Wtf everybody on the site is here

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