I want magnora7 back

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[–][deleted] 14 insightful - 3 fun14 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 3 fun -  (63 children)

Speaking of which, we haven’t received a canary post/update since magnora’s disappearance, have we?

[–][deleted] 14 insightful - 5 fun14 insightful - 4 fun15 insightful - 5 fun -  (43 children)

Nope, good catch. And I sure as heck don't feel comfortable doing that with m7 being MIA. The site and servers and admins past and present are not compromised to my knowledge, but it's not like they'd send me a bouquet of flowers to announce it if they were. I don't have the security skills to do server audits either.

But I'm hoping m7 is just burned out or taking a break for personal/family reasons. And this site and many others have been compromised from the get-go in a certain sense, by using Cloudflare.

[–]HibikiBlack 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (41 children)

Are there any measures we can take when it comes to paying for Saidit ourselves somehow? I don't want to make it sound like Magnora won't come back but we gotta have some kind of emergency plan...

[–][deleted] 7 insightful - 5 fun7 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 5 fun -  (40 children)

The Patreon is still active, which I assume m7 is currently using to pay for saidit.

As far as an emergency plan, I don't know. If the server blipped out I don't know if it would be ethical or desirable for me to personally re-start it from a backup somewhere else. That would kinda be like me stealing m7's "saidit". I am into releasing an archive of public saidit data though.

Myself and several users here are interested in starting up some new decentralized Lemmy sites to fill this void: /s/cassy

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 6 fun3 insightful - 5 fun4 insightful - 6 fun -  (39 children)

Spock spoke.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (38 children)

I'll give it to you guys straight. It's mostly boring as shit though :D

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (37 children)

Maybe don't do frontend then ? Maybe do Haskell, Elixir or vim, or stuff i do then ? :) :) :)

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (36 children)

Hhaha that's right, sucks to the frontend.

Since you're technical, I'll mention that a huge factor with this codebase and me suggesting Lemmy, is that this reddit code is old as shit. It's still python 2 and requires all sorts of specific versions of stuff that only exists for Ubuntu 14. Upgrading it all is doable, but it's a burly project and I sure as heck don't want to tackle it by myself. I wouldn't want to write anything from scratch either, but the voat.xyz guy just pulled it off in lovely old PHP. The lemmy backend is done in Rust.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (20 children)

So you wanna lure me to DO your backend in Rust. SOLD.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (19 children)

Yes! Let's make Lemmy shine. It's kind of a lazy commie pile of shit at the moment, but the foundation for greatness is there.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

You actually run this shit. Thats funny. 5000 lines of code and i'm not any smarter. You run this. I can't stop giggling.

[–][deleted]  (8 children)

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    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    Rust.up then. As far as i can see.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CrBqRb3VGM

    I'm figuring out how to get Lemmy running behind a proxy server now, so that it won't leak its ip address. I can use help auditing the thing.

    [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

    Cloudflare

    Their stock (NET) has been doing really good, they were the only suggestion in Motley Fool's Foolfest seminar I thought was a particularly good buy.

    [–]AnarchySpeach 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

    Nope. None that I'm aware of. I think it's safe to assume that this website has been compromised.

    How much money does it take to run this site vs. how much money do we as users pay to this site...

    [–]Node 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    There was discussion back when voat died Putt suicided voat. m7 dropped some details if anyone wants to check his comments from Dec./Jan.

    He essentially said his costs were a fraction of voats, and far less than I want to say based on memory alone. Voat was 'renting' some kind of software that cost a fortune, while m7 coded around all the expensive stuff.

    Point being, m7 has claimed saidit is very cheap to run.

    [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Yep, still true. This site has never cost more than about $90/mo. to run.

    [–]Node 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Was thinking I remembered him saying around $80, but that seemed absurdly low for this type of site. Still does, actually.

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    It's a benefit of using 10 year old code that has been heavily optimized. There are drawbacks though as well. Also Cloudflare takes a lot of load off of web sites that use it.

    [–]Jesus 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (13 children)

    What does that mean?

    [–][deleted] 12 insightful - 3 fun12 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 3 fun -  (12 children)

    /u/Magnora7 used to give monthly canary posts, the last was post/Canary 19 (4 months ago):

    "We have had 0 (zero) gag orders, National Security requests, FISA orders, injunctions, super-injunctions, publication bans, nor any free-speech prohibiting sanction against d3rr or magnora7, nor against any other contributor to saidit, nor against saidit, nor against any signed-in user of saidit, nor against any guest user of saidit.

    We have not been contacted by the NSA, nor by the FBI, nor by the CIA, nor by the DOJ, nor by the FCC, nor by any other three-letter governmental agency, nor by any US governmental agency at all regarding saidit. We have not been contacted by local, county, state, or federal police regarding saidit. We have not been contacted by any lawyers or other law enforcement regarding saidit. We have not had any censorship problems with the associated ISP at the location we currently are hosted. We have not been contacted by any foreign agencies or foreign governments regarding saidit. We have not been contacted by any representative of the EU, nor by any representative from any country within the EU, nor Russia, nor China, nor Israel, nor the UK, nor Canada, nor Switzerland nor any North or South American country, nor any European, African or Asian countries."

    The Canary posts were meant to let users know what was going on - the fact that Magnora was so anal about these Canary posts and did them for 19 months in a row, and just stopped and disappeared, is so suspect. When the Canary posts stop.. That means something happened. That's what Canaries were used for in coal mines:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentinel_species#Toxic_gases

    I've said this numerous times, but this situation reminds me a lot of Voat's (Voat wasn't the site you now know.. Once it was a lot like SaidIt, and had two chill owners, Put and Atko. Atko quit during the beginning of Voat, when an "Angel Investor" who refused to be name, which was essentially George Soros & co., came aboard). Atko wouldn't be straightforward with us, but he did say goodbye and did basically let us know this was the end of Voat as we knew it.

    There's a lot of similarities here on SaidIt; imho, SaidIt is compromised. I wouldn't share anything here that you wouldn't want public, but you guys should know basic internet opsec.

    [–]Jesus 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

    Yes, very odd that he stopped doing them but he also stopped posting too. He basically dissapeared.

    We need to stop being victims, and start being fixers was one of his last posts and he seemed like he wanted to take a break from the Internet... I don't blame him. In fact, he seemed a little down the last tine he commented. So, I do not think he was paid to leave the site. But it is quite weird that he left without telling others he was taking a break and now we have all these pro-israeli trolls here.

    [–]Node 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Pro-Israel trolls actually get paid (a pittance - on average) by the Israeli government, and will be around until the DOTR. If you spend any time around jewish supremacy, you'll likely run across their recruitment efforts.

    [–]factchecker 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    m7 either sold the website and left without even saying goodbye or he has been arrested and the feds have control of this site.

    otherwise, he would at least stop in and say that he is okay and say hello to everybody..

    either way, he is a weirdo, good riddance.

    [–]Jesus 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

    Looking at his last posts, basically focused on online infiltraition and being depressed with the way the internet was going.

    Apparently not, I haven't seen anything from him in months. Maybe he just got sick of the internet, it is pretty bad these days

    Google’s Jigsaw unit sponsors a RAND report that recommends infiltrating and subverting online conspiracy groups from within while planting authoritative messaging wherever possible.

    One of the many programs that are messing up this forum, along with many other programs like this across the globe (like China's 50 cent party, or the JIDF) designed to disrupt any mid-scale to large-scale internet forums where discussions are happening they want to censor.

    The internet is becoming a very disgusting and disturbing place because of the actions of groups like this. They're deliberately destroying our worldwide communications, in order to control people. They should feel ashamed but they're clearly not.

    [–][deleted] 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

    To me, all of this just confirms saidit has been infiltrated somehow and is a honey pot even more. I’ve read magnora’s last page of comments and posts and it doesn’t feel right. It feels like something changed for him.

    Yes, magnora did also stop posting all together. But he didn’t even let d3rr know what was up. And I was one of the users magnora trusted, and overnight he became very suspicious of me as he felt the site had been infiltrated long ago and certain old users could be whatever he thought they were.

    During one of our last real exchanges however, he mentioned family undergoing surgery (I won’t say more), but yes, he does have stuff going on irl too.

    Four months though without hearing from him.. period? Not even hitting d3rr up? This is more than a break. Four months is more than a break.

    [–]Node 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Potential reasons for m7 taking a long break include:

    • The fallout from bringing on a tranny as admin.

    • Said fallout exacerbated by being unreachable during the Texas ice storm.

    • His mom having surgery in the early spring.

    • u/d3rr actually doing a fantastic job in his absence.

    Banning all those legitimate users at TAM's instigation had to have caused him some reflection on where his 'antiextremes/saidit' dream went wrong.

    Running a site like this is a thankless job, as many of us say, and when you add family issues and personal disenchantment, the temptation to just walk away could be pretty attractive.

    and overnight he became very suspicious of me as he felt the site had been infiltrated long ago and certain old users could be whatever he thought they were.

    I got that too. There were some pointed comments that seemed pointed at me, even as one of the first users back when it was antiextremes.com.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    NOTHING is confirmed so far. So maybe take your collusions somewhere else?

    [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Eli, I may be no one to you (and for sure would never speak on magnora’s behalf simply out of respect), but magnora and I were friendly with each other. I’m talking from my personal experience with magnora, as well giving my personal opinion. I’m not insulting him at all, or saying anything is “confirmed”; I stated something was suspect (which it is..), I pointed it out, and simply gave and stated my personal opinion.

    Nothing I said was negative, or hateful towards magnora. I considered him a friend (and still do). Do you notice how you’re the only person giving me flack for my opinion? Why do I have to take my opinion (“collusion” lol?) elsewhere, this was the very place to share it. I’m friendly with d3rr as well, and he even responded to my comment saying I was right by catching that, and explained why he didn’t want to do it.

    Finally, I thought you and I were chill too lol.. I don’t know where this hostility is coming from tbh.

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    I'm sorry. Gotta carry a lot of stones in my new backpack around right now. I can lash out very fiercely but nonetheless subtely. I really am sorry. And not "so chill" right now.

    You didn't deserve this outlash of me, thats for sure. Sometimes i can't help myself but to swing a real long (invisible) whip directly to people's ears. It bangs, i know. That is why i am sorry.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    💜