What question(s) do you want to ask a transgender person?

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[–]StillLessons 8 insightful - 7 fun8 insightful - 6 fun9 insightful - 7 fun -  (10 children)

And there you have it.

Sorry, dude. You want acceptance for being you, and yet you have just penned the most classic example of intolerance I can imagine.

The above statement is textbook (and very male, I might note) arrogance, narcissism, and sexism. What you give to the world will come right back at you. Don't be surprised.

Hypocrisy, we live and dine on it...

edit to add: The more I read what you have written, the more male it sounds to me. This is remarkable. Like all in our world, I have had a lifetime of exposure to the two sexes, and I have a sense of what I perceive as male and female. I cannot imagine a female I know writing what you have written above. It sounds absolutely male to me. Think about that... What game are you playing here?

[–]AddledCorpse 3 insightful - 6 fun3 insightful - 5 fun4 insightful - 6 fun -  (1 child)

Extremely masculine, alt-right male here. Do not agree with this trans person.

[–]StillLessons 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

As a relatively non-masculine while very comfortable with my maleness male, the point I was trying to make is not that all men think alike or that all women think alike. There are differences in perspective within any grouping. But even with that said, something about the manner in which TAM defined women struck me as something I have heard sometimes in male conversation (not among all males, but among some subsets), but never from females. Perhaps there exist some females that hold such rigid definitions of what "female" means that they would categorically exclude some with whom they share biology based on their behavior, but if that is the case, I have not met them. That's where my comment came from.

As I said above, I respect TAM for backing away from the original statement. It takes intelligence and strength of character to admit when we're wrong. Good on TAM for doing so.

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    [–]StillLessons 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    You have backed off an untenable position. That shows maturity.

    I felt no insult in the least, not considering myself a feminist, so my comment was not in defense of anything. Rather it was pointing out that our human instinct to lash out at those we disagree with rather than recognize our common humanity leads us to precisely the situation you have just wisely backed away from.

    I too am a hypocrite, by the way, in several areas. We all have our places where if someone looks at our life and then looks at the arguments we make, they will find we are not in the position to state what we do. I believe this is a universal human experience.

    Consider this second comment, however, a polite invitation to consider the odd juxtaposition of considering yourself to be an authority of the definition of an experience which you have adopted but billions of humans have no option but to experience. This is my primary problem with transgender ideology. Particularly for women - who are biologically physically weaker than men (not at all mentally weaker, note) - they don't have a choice in this matter when it comes to force. For we - as men (and biologically, you were born with a physical form that inherently informs your experience) - to judge an experience we have never had, currently do not have, and will never have, strikes me as hubris.

    [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

    I truly am sorry for insulting you, and the other feminists here

    It wasn't just feminists, what you said was against all women.

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      [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

      It's not the wording of your apology that matters, it's that you think that way. It's the kind of thing the terfs have been warning about trans women erasing natural women, but everyone thought they were nuts.

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        [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        What you said, that was seriously messed up. I found it very offensive.