What question(s) do you want to ask a transgender person?

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[–]Houseplant 12 insightful - 5 fun12 insightful - 4 fun13 insightful - 5 fun -  (41 children)

behaviors and social roles align with what society labels as a "woman" — which does differ between cultures. I like to wear feminine clothing and makeup, I do things like cleaning and setting the table, I act pretty feminine, but not flamboyant, I have a lot of feminine mannerisms, etc. In Southern culture: cleaning and setting the table are seen as more womanly roles than they are up North, which is why I mention them.

So you’re a woman because you perform femininity as it’s prescribed by your culture? How is this not plain old sexism?

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    [–]Houseplant 16 insightful - 9 fun16 insightful - 8 fun17 insightful - 9 fun -  (18 children)

    Lmao. You clearly have zero idea what feminism is. It exists outside of America but sure, it’s all to take down American traditions.

    If you think you’re a woman because you wear a dress and set the table, you’re enforcing sexist gender roles and implying woman is an act that is performed not a person.

    Typical men

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      [–]Houseplant 12 insightful - 4 fun12 insightful - 3 fun13 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

      Hilarious my man.

      [–]StillLessons 8 insightful - 7 fun8 insightful - 6 fun9 insightful - 7 fun -  (10 children)

      And there you have it.

      Sorry, dude. You want acceptance for being you, and yet you have just penned the most classic example of intolerance I can imagine.

      The above statement is textbook (and very male, I might note) arrogance, narcissism, and sexism. What you give to the world will come right back at you. Don't be surprised.

      Hypocrisy, we live and dine on it...

      edit to add: The more I read what you have written, the more male it sounds to me. This is remarkable. Like all in our world, I have had a lifetime of exposure to the two sexes, and I have a sense of what I perceive as male and female. I cannot imagine a female I know writing what you have written above. It sounds absolutely male to me. Think about that... What game are you playing here?

      [–]AddledCorpse 3 insightful - 6 fun3 insightful - 5 fun4 insightful - 6 fun -  (1 child)

      Extremely masculine, alt-right male here. Do not agree with this trans person.

      [–]StillLessons 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      As a relatively non-masculine while very comfortable with my maleness male, the point I was trying to make is not that all men think alike or that all women think alike. There are differences in perspective within any grouping. But even with that said, something about the manner in which TAM defined women struck me as something I have heard sometimes in male conversation (not among all males, but among some subsets), but never from females. Perhaps there exist some females that hold such rigid definitions of what "female" means that they would categorically exclude some with whom they share biology based on their behavior, but if that is the case, I have not met them. That's where my comment came from.

      As I said above, I respect TAM for backing away from the original statement. It takes intelligence and strength of character to admit when we're wrong. Good on TAM for doing so.

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        [–]StillLessons 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        You have backed off an untenable position. That shows maturity.

        I felt no insult in the least, not considering myself a feminist, so my comment was not in defense of anything. Rather it was pointing out that our human instinct to lash out at those we disagree with rather than recognize our common humanity leads us to precisely the situation you have just wisely backed away from.

        I too am a hypocrite, by the way, in several areas. We all have our places where if someone looks at our life and then looks at the arguments we make, they will find we are not in the position to state what we do. I believe this is a universal human experience.

        Consider this second comment, however, a polite invitation to consider the odd juxtaposition of considering yourself to be an authority of the definition of an experience which you have adopted but billions of humans have no option but to experience. This is my primary problem with transgender ideology. Particularly for women - who are biologically physically weaker than men (not at all mentally weaker, note) - they don't have a choice in this matter when it comes to force. For we - as men (and biologically, you were born with a physical form that inherently informs your experience) - to judge an experience we have never had, currently do not have, and will never have, strikes me as hubris.

        [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

        I truly am sorry for insulting you, and the other feminists here

        It wasn't just feminists, what you said was against all women.

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          [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

          It's not the wording of your apology that matters, it's that you think that way. It's the kind of thing the terfs have been warning about trans women erasing natural women, but everyone thought they were nuts.

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            [–][deleted] 7 insightful - 5 fun7 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

            You're explaining to a woman which people are and aren't women lol.

            [–]FuckMasks 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

            Why do you think you, of all people, are entitled to decide what defines a woman?

            [–]Pononimus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

            I can see why you call yourself "houseplant." You clearly have all the brains of a fern.

            [–]Houseplant 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

            Bit desperate to start something here mate. You’re almost a month late.

            [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 4 fun1 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

            they both seek the disintegration of the traditional family, and the destruction of the Nation

            Stalin fixed that though

            [–]NeedMoreCoffee 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (18 children)

            I think you have a very distorted view of what feminism is. I think you hung around libfems and intersectional fems too much. Granted they are bonkers, but there are a lot of different kinds of feminism and most of it is not libfem/intersectionals those are mostly american imho

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              [–]NeedMoreCoffee 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (16 children)

              How can you be wrong with every word in that sentence?

              It was originally and still is a movement by women, for women. None of that equal rights shit thats libfem talk, libfems the same ones that think sex work is work. Feminism is about equity not equality.

              No actual feminist thinks they are above moral standards but abortion IS a big part of women's rights to not be forced into unwanted pregnancies and be chained to awful men.

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                [–]NeedMoreCoffee 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (14 children)

                Are you adequating actual infanticide, the murder of millions of baby girls in India and China to women aborting pregnancies from rape or that have severe health risks to both mother and child?

                It's no surprise a man acts ignorant and high an mighty about women's bodies and does not give an absolute fuck about the severe physical, emotional and hormonal trauma an unwanted pregnancy is to a woman.

                Have a nice day dude.

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                  [–]NeedMoreCoffee 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

                  No it's like saying any woman who has a medical issue should have access to the treatment to save their health and lives even if some people are misogynistic ignorant pricks.

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                    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                    I'm okay with this.