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[–]magnora7 18 insightful - 4 fun18 insightful - 3 fun19 insightful - 4 fun -  (41 children)

There are literally paid russian and chinese shills and bots that post anti-american sentiment in English. We get the bots on saidit regularly, and I'm sure other sites do too. They literally have a pastebin file online of text paragraphs designed to demoralize Americans, and it just randomly chooses one demoralizing paragraph and pastes it. This bot has created over 200 accounts on this website, about 1 every 10 hours, nonstop for months and months.

This isn't a troll having a laugh. Trolls get bored and eventually stop. These shills and bots don't stop. These types of operations are designed to sway and influence the culture and how people think, and it's pretty deranged when you stand back and look at it in full.

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (40 children)

There are literally paid russian and chinese shills and bots that post anti-american sentiment in English.

We are at war — not a war fought with guns and bullets, but a war fought with words and ideas! This is a war of propaganda, and the only way our Nation will survive is by exposing our enemies for the deceit they have wrought against us!

There is also a concerted effort by the illegitimate government in Beijing to buy the American media so they can spread false propaganda against us — and for this reason: it has become necessary to Americanize our economy by any means necessary.

This bot has created over 200 accounts on this website, about 1 every 10 hours, nonstop for months and months.

And u/bobbobbybob gets mad we ban it. He's an anti-American shill too, just like the LXXXVIII trolls he so vehemently defends. u/Jesus speculated he serves Tel Aviv, and perhaps this is true, or perhaps he serves Moscow or Beijing.

[–]bobbobbybob 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (39 children)

oh fuck off you drama queen. The idea that saidit is under attack from government agencies is a desperate cry for relevancy in an uncaring world.

don't misrepresent me either. I'm glad the spam and bots get fucked. you are putting words in my mouth to attempt to discredit me by tying my legitimate concerns with a separate issue. Deceitful liar.

but the fuss with the iron left? Pure incompetence of adminstration, coupled with lies and gaslighting and a user took it personally. I spy your hand in the mess.

/u/magnora7 your tranny mod is at it AGAIN. no apology ever came from his hysterical bullshit accusations and lies and attempts to get rid of me while you were away, and here he is again, spouting absolute bullshit, trying to link me with JIDF and actual trolls. You should fire the cunt before he kills the site.

/u/americanmuskrat this is the crap i deal with

/u/theameliamayniac. the only person you serve is your insane self-image and monstrous ego. go fuck yourself

[–]magnora7 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (18 children)

Can you not repeatedly drag the quality of discussion downward please. Calling people names every other sentence isn't a good look and goes against the pyramid of debate. You can make your point without calling people names over and over, right?

[–]bobbobbybob 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

I can, yes. Maybe if the site owner stops his admins attacking me - putting me in an extremely unsafe power dynamic - then I won't feel the need to swear so much.

Because you've done NOTHING to deal with tam's behaviour, and whenever I bring it up, you attack me.

So there you go. No abusive language. Will you deal with the issue of your admins attacking me, smearing me and generally behaving very inappropriately?

or was my language just an excuse?

[–]magnora7 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (15 children)

putting me in an extremely unsafe power dynamic - then I won't feel the need to swear so much.

Nice try. Try following the site rules more closely first and then maybe we'll talk about other things.

[–]bobbobbybob 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

yeah. so your admin abused their position of pwoer TO THE MAX. and there has been no recourse whatsoever

fuck this shit, I'll make a good bye post, and I"m gone.

[–]magnora7 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

Okay, see you.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

DUDE. This is literally HOW A COMMUNITY DIES.

[–]magnora7 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

From one person voluntarily leaving because they were held accountable for repeated open rule breaking? Doubtful

[–]Chipit 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

What community? It's just a website.

It blows my mind just how seriously some of you people take it. Like, don't you have anything else to do?

The site is better off without shit-stirring jerks. Saidit will never become a real reddit replacement if new users come in to a website they've heard about but never visited, see vomit all over the place, and CTRL-F4, never to come again. I know I've done that a few times.

[–]Airbus320 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Nah, he was a shit stirring faggot

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

As a practical matter, my inbox is looking real empty. Don't ban Bob.

[–]Zapped 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

You guys get DM's? I only got 2: One from the LXVIII troll and one from an unknown alt asking me to post anti-censorship spam until I hopefully got banned. Maybe I should start posting cat pictures.

[–]Chipit 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Oh thank goodness. The site will be so much better without your ugly, profanity-laced posts that add nothing to the discussion.

[–]Airbus320 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I bet u/chop_chop and u/Jesus would be happy too

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Why are you being this unfair with him?

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This has many attributes of misdirection. The essence of the argument is also not being addressed. There are rules about that too, I think?

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

Amelia is 19. Believe me, I know teenagers can be annoying. I think she just learned HUAC wasn't entirely wrong, so that explains the mindset.

[–]bobbobbybob 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

it is rare that teenagers have any position of power over me. In fact. last time it happened, I was still a teen myself.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

How the hell does somebody with any modicum of common sense put a 19-year-old in such a position? He's barely done sucking his thumb.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

This has all the attributes of truth.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

Except for that first bit. It should be obvious to most people these days that there are government entities, or paid companies, who attack nearly every site not owned by them, all using sophisticated bots and a few paid shills. Non-paid shills are enticed to go there. I have seen many blogs fall apart because of the comment section getting out of hand.

However, the fact that a transgender is talking about an information war is really odd, if you ask me. Edit: although the attitude portrayed by the TAM does indeed look like a cry for relevancy.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

Personally, I don't think saidit has risen high enough that government agencies are bothered by it yet.

[–]Chipit 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

That's the lesson of 2016 though. You have to attack and destroy these sites early, while they're small. You let them get big and they take off by themselves.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I agree: they are not bothered by it.

It's not so much that there is a personal, or even a directed, interest in this website, or those blogs that I mentioned. It is simply that bot-technology has gotten very advanced in the past five or so years, and to think that the governments in the West are not employing them en masse (as we know China does), across the board, regardless of size, is a little silly * (not to say that you are silly, simply that they exist). They do not need much management if there is big money involved in it, most of the cost comes from setting it up in the first place. People can script bots to go to websites and mine information from them, or just mine pictures or even quoted texts. Tech companies already have their own bots which they do not need to manage, which go out and build profiles on their clientele for them, so they do not have to. If you do not know about this, please consider looking into it. Many programmers are being hired right now to create these types of bots. I am close with a foolish guy who programmed one for TedTalks.

That is occurring here, there, everywhere. It does not need to be directed when it concerns bots, they are like ants that you scatter to the wind, knowing that most will not find any bread crumbs, and that most will not bring home any solid dirt to work with. In fact, most websites can deal with bots if they are careful, just like most households can deal with ants. As it stands, I cannot be certain that bots have gotten so advanced that they could easily enter into comment boards and not be noticed. Besides, they are noticed here.

Personally, I think this site has already been attacked, not by government agencies, but by low-tier, low-brow, forsaken programmers who have taken contracts from "private individuals" who are probably tied to those entities, but acting independently from them. I don't think saidit is unique or special in this regard. I have seen small blogs get torn apart by bot attacks which gave way to shill drama, which in turn brought upon issues with their server, ending with the website closing down for unspecified reasons.

If your website consistently gets linked to places like Reddit, Twitter, Youtube, and so on, then it should be made clear that the level of interest your government has on you has increased, although that doesn't mean much considering all the websites that currently exist. As I said, I agree with you concerning them not being bothered by Saidit. I also highly doubt that there is a paid shill in our midst, unless they are here for shits and giggles because they are so used their shilling lifestyle. I don't even think they will ever be bothered by it, seeing as it is slipping down a slope right now. It's just that these types of bots can and will follow links. Perhaps they are programmed to only frequent popular sites. Actually, now that I consider it, that seems likely. So, I cannot say much more but that I agree with your statement.

But, I must ask. Where do these bots come from, in your personal view? Independent tech companies? Disgruntled naz-bols, like Magnora seems to suggest, or the CCP as the other admin suggests?

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

When I see crap that is upvoted by 13 and 13, I can't help but think it's some small op by some reddit mod or somesuch. But then again, maybe the government bots are smart enough to not go overboard and upvote garbage by 500 and 500.

So yeah maybe you are right and these are government bots working for government and my first glance is wrong.

But who knows for sure, you know?

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You make good reasons. It's not worth worrying about, unless you are an admin, in my opinion. Most bots get reported here anyways, unlike reddit, where they seem to be accepted members of the community.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

What if they need arguments for more funding? Saidit has few users, but thousands of subscribers.

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    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    A number is a number, everyone loves free money.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

    SaidIt used to auto-subscribe everyone to all subs, so those are real subscribers. They are mostly not active though, so it is misleading.

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