What subs never appear in /all? Is there a list somewhere?

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[–]FediNetizen 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

You're both half right, but not entirely right. The /s/GenderCritical sub is primarily feminist, but a huge portion of the gender critical crowd are lesbians. This is because one of the big victims of the modern "trans rights" movement is lesbians.

To understand why, ask yourself: What do you get when you take a man that likes to crossdress and that gets off on the thought of himself as a woman, and tell him that if he believes he is, then he literally is a woman? Well, since most people are straight, what you will usually get is a straight dude that now thinks he must be a woman attracted to women. And what do we call a woman attracted to woman? A lesbian. So for the past several years, you've had actual lesbians dealing with delusional straight men pushing themselves into these lesbian spaces. And the lesbians have been getting sick of it. Which is why if you take of poll of the gender critical people, you will see a ton of lesbians in the sample.

And then if we look at the other active "lesbian/feminist" sub, it's LGBDropTheT. This sub is for same sex attracted (SSA) people who are tired of the shenanigans from the TQ+ crowd. There are plenty of lesbians in here, but it's definitely not a feminist sub.

[–]Chipit[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Way to miss the point. The point was: 1) They were aggressively pro-censorship and did not believe anyone should be able to speak against them.

2) An even more extreme version of their ideology developed and used this exact censorship weapon against them, for exactly the same reasons that they had been using it against everyone else.

3) They were absolutely outraged to be censored.

4) They came to Saidit, a free speech site, and then immediately recreated the pro-censorship environment that bit them in the ass. They learned absolutely nothing, which is the most terrifying part of the story. Humans are supposed to learn and grow from experience, and this didn't happen. Why is a good question to ask.

you've had actual lesbians dealing with delusional straight men pushing themselves into these lesbian spaces. And the lesbians have been getting sick of it.

It's called tolerance. You know, something that feminists demand from everyone, but are somehow exempt from extending to others. This one-way street isn't new, see: http://archive.is/QRJ6m

Were I to make this exact statement on one of their subs, I would be censored. Fuck feminists. Long live free speech, and God bless the United States of America!

[–]FediNetizen 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

I get what you're saying. Feminist activism was the progenitor of modern cancel culture. I would like to push back by asserting that there is a substantial difference between a subreddit banning viewpoints on their own subreddit, and a subreddit trying to ban those same viewpoints on the wider site.

Feminist communities can more or less peacefully coexist on the same site as mens rights communities as long as they understand that they're supposed to keep to themselves. It's the same with any other diametrically opposed community. I don't think deleting opposing opinions on their own subreddit makes them hypocrites for getting upset when their entire subreddit is nuked.

[–]Chipit[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Feminist communities can more or less peacefully coexist on the same site as mens rights communities as long as they understand that they're supposed to keep to themselves.

Now instead of re-inventing censorship, you've now re-invented segregation. Keep those darkies out of our nice neighborhoods!

I don't think deleting opposing opinions on their own subreddit makes them hypocrites for getting upset when their entire subreddit is nuked.

It's the exact same thing they did to others, only now it's being done to them. Poetic justice, something quite rare IRL.

[–]FediNetizen 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Segregation denied minorities access to common goods and services because of their race. Not being allowed to post on a specific sub isn't denying your freedom of speech rights. It's more like a church not allowing a speaker to advocate for gay marriage at their worship service. "The right not to listen" is pretty fundamental to the freedom of speech.

[–]Chipit[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

In other words: it's OK when we do it to others, but not OK when others do it to us.

I had such high hopes that feminists would see that censorship was wrong when it was done to them. But it didn't happen. They are not in favor of free speech; they are only in favor of their own speech.

[–]Comatoast 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I never would have considered being able to talk to members within my own sex class about problems that only those within that particular class experience a privilege, not until the past few years due to it no longer socially allowed without consequences. I suppose that feelings of safety are a privilege. Regardless of your feelings on feminism, or whoever's fault that the issues of censorship fall towards, it's not just exclusively feminist women that are being affected by the censorship. Censorship goes deeper than any feminist could ever have the clout to employ, and you're giving it far too much credit for something that's already been woven into place in some way or another since civilizations began. While any individual has the ability to speak or express themselves, there will eternally be another that contemptuously disagrees and demands retribution. This existed long before concepts of feminism.

[–]Chipit[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

it's not just exclusively feminist women that are being affected by the censorship.

And yet they were 100% in favor of it as long as they were the ones censoring. The moment it turned on them, suddenly censorship was evil all along.

[–]Comatoast 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Who is this "they"? All women? I feel like I'm misunderstanding something here.

[–]Chipit[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The feminists that who were happy as pigs in shit using censorship to silence disagreement right up until the point that someone used that exact same argument against them and they got censored themselves. Then, suddenly, they discover that free speech is an important right that must never be infringed. They migrate to a free speech site. Then set up a censorship regime just like the one they left.

I find the whole thing very easy to understand. They're not in favor of free speech; only in favor of their own speech. They should be suffering major cognitive dissonance over the whole thing, but they're not, and it's the only explanation that makes sense.