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[–]StrategicTactic 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

While I agree with your core point, I disagree with your assessment of chiropractic treatments.

Wikipedia has some major flaws with revisionism and how it treats opinion in general. It still can be useful, particularly when you can get to their sources.

As far as chiropractors, my brother has his master's degree in software engineering. He received a license for massage from a 6 hour course. A great number of people confuse the two, and some massage therapists even encourage this.

To me, the test of a valid system is its output. What would be the output from a chiropractor? To live free of pain from previous injuries without needing further treatment. Does the session result in a lack of pain? Usually. Are more treatments required? I have yet to hear of someone who has NOT needed to go back. Thus, this has to me the same effectiveness as opiates. It will likely work, but I hope you can afford them forever.

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To me, the test of a valid system is its output. What would be the output from a chiropractor? To live free of pain from previous injuries without needing further treatment.

Well that opinion is meaningless. If you have diabetes do you get a single treatment? If you go to the dentist for a filling at age 21 is that tooth now sound and you're done with the dentist for life? If you take your car in for a service do you never take it again? We are talking about injury, usually significant, to a dynamic system, the human body.

As for the "affording them forever" meme, that's as ridiculous a statement as I have ever heard. Most people I know visit doctors and dentists "forever" and buy smartphones "forever" and buy food, "forever" What is it about chiropractic services that make ill-informed people expect a Miracle to occur...

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Some kinds of diabetes are treatable via adjusted proper diet.

Some chiropractor visits are for treatments and some for solutions.

[–]StrategicTactic 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Well that opinion is meaningless. If you have diabetes do you get a single treatment? If you go to the dentist for a filling at age 21 is that tooth now sound and you're done with the dentist for life? If you take your car in for a service do you never take it again? We are talking about injury, usually significant, to a dynamic system, the human body.

As for the "affording them forever" meme, that's as ridiculous a statement as I have ever heard. Most people I know visit doctors and dentists "forever" and buy smartphones "forever" and buy food, "forever" What is it about chiropractic services that make ill-informed people expect a Miracle to occur...

Keep attacking that strawman! You can hit it forever! A system that is set to run forever on one input is stalled. When you get new input, it should have a valid output. Each injury would need you to use a system to analyze it (is it something I can resolve myself?) and then a separate system for the fix (bandaid? Surgery? Drug regimen?). It is the same with dentists- a test to determine if the system has faults, followed by corrective action.

Just to flip your meaningless opinion on its head, imagine systems that run forever on one input. The blue screen of death comes to mind. Perpetual motion machines perhaps? In programming, a program that runs forever is in an infinite loop, which is a beginner mistake.

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Just to flip your meaningless opinion on its head, imagine systems that run forever on one input. Perpetual motion machines perhaps? In programming, a program that runs forever is in an infinite loop

Oh, you are computer nut, I get it. Someone living in a computer screen with no experience in the real world. Well I'll leave you with your perpetual motion machine. Have a lovely day.

[–]StrategicTactic 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The fact you think someone who is "a computer nut" could have no experience in the real world says far more about you than me. Good day.

[–]christnmusicreleases 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

My chiropractors taught me how to treat and maintain myself.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

My brother did years of school at the University Of Western Ontario then more years in Toronto (not many chiropractor schools around), then apprenticed for years, and now has his own clinic for years. In addition to focusing on sports injuries he also does all the other kinetics stuff, including massage, computerized footstep analysis, magnet stuff, vibrator stuff, shock stuff, specialized acupuncture, and other things he had to train for and be certified.

I have known people addicted to chiropractors. I've also known some who were treated and done, including myself.

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Some like to go back every month or two for a 'tune up' as they say but to me that's like running off to the doctor every time you sneeze. I had to go several times after a motorcycle accident, then years later again after a work injury, then again a decade later because I had taken up running which for a big guy is murder on your lower back. each time the joints were corrected, the pain went and I learned a lesson on what not to do in life.

I met a guy in a flea market once when I was in a bad state, I was bending over awkwardly and supporting myself with a hand on one knee. I heard a voice behind me say " Whatever you do, don't get the operation" I turned around and there was a guy in a wheelchair.

[–]asterias 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

As far as chiropractors, my brother has his master's degree in software engineering. He received a license for massage from a 6 hour course.

There are also dentists who had a seminar on orthodontics or dental implants and claim to be specialists in those areas where clearly they are not. It's a grey area that unscrupulous pros take advantage of and it's not chiropractor specific.