Why are European men so effeminate?

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[–]Literallyawoman 20 insightful - 3 fun20 insightful - 2 fun21 insightful - 3 fun -  (19 children)

Eh I’d argue western men are just bigger victims of toxic masculinity than the rest of the world. American men act much more normal or in your words, effeminate, in private with their families and partner.

I prefer a man who has good fashion sense and hygiene, who shows emotion, and who stays fit and active, which is probably why I’ve mostly dated non-Americans, they’re definitely allowed to express themselves more and take care of themselves growing up and are more well-rounded than an American man who can’t cook, dress attractively, keep a clean home, or cry in front of others.

I know WAY too many frustrated American men reaching 30 who don’t understand why women don’t want them despite “having a job/car/house” when it’s obvious they can’t take care of themselves( fat, dirty, think sarcasm is a personality trait) and are basically children.

[–]PencilPusher55[S] 6 insightful - 7 fun6 insightful - 6 fun7 insightful - 7 fun -  (3 children)

So... you want to date another woman?

[–]Literallyawoman 16 insightful - 2 fun16 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Your idea of what a man is, or what men are supposed to act like, is very sad. Clearly you are insecure about your own masculinity lol. If you were confident maybe someone would love you!

[–]PencilPusher55[S] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Am not woman

[–]StBlops2cel_is_Lord 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

'Insecure'=being a man with masculine traits

[–]Chipit 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (10 children)

I love how the topic is immediately changed to "you men don't meet my standards". A laundry list of objectives is then set which men are required to meet in order to date her. It's like a parody of what stupid men think feminists are like.

[–]PencilPusher55[S] 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

What I find funny is that, for as much as she rants on about the filthy American man - Other countries don't want to touch American women. Entitled, have that "Princess Syndrome", rampant narcissism and self-centered personalities. Out of control, if you ask me.

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    [–]Chipit 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (7 children)

    That's an insult, not an argument. Again, I remain convinced this is some kind of account set up to make feminists look like a parody of what their enemies think they are.

    [–]Comatoast 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

    It's insulting, but remember that it's a single opinion by a single poster.

    [–]Chipit 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

    Insults and ad hominem attacks are prohibited by Saidit policy, the pyramid of debate. It's just how she immediately goes for them as a first resort. Typical reddit poster.

    [–]Comatoast 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    Technically the OP could have been seen as an insult too, but I understand what you're saying. When questions like these are asked, you know how things go: there's going to be a personal experience and usually an opinion and/or personal preference criterium. Can't defend the direct insults so much.

    [–]Chipit 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    I used to get angry at insults. But now, I just smile. Getting an insult back means I made a really good point, and the other person has no argument. If she had an actual argument, she'd use it. But she didn't, and my argument made her feel funny inside. So to eliminate this painful cognitive dissonance, she just did the first thing that popped into mind - hurl a playground insult calling the other poster a low-status male.

    OP's premise wasn't an insult. Ask anyone the world 'round. European men are far more effeminate than one would expect. Ask Africans, Middle Easterners, Asians, Pacific islanders, you name it. We aren't the first to notice.

    [–]Comatoast 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    I didn't know it was such a meme in the eyes of other countries too. I'm married to a European, but Central/Eastern Eurodudes don't seem to be the same, that I've noticed anyway.

    [–]PencilPusher55[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    It's a provocative question. Why people get upset it beyond me. If you don't find being a feminine man bad, why get angry? If you're not a feminine man and quite masculine - good for you. No one would find me masculine from a distance. I'm not very tall, don't have a naturally tough build, the only thing I really have is a deep voice and masculine facial features. It's strange. Just wanted to see if anyone else noticed it.

    [–]Comatoast 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Being tall is just lucky genetics, in that you can reach all the stuff on top of the fridge without a chair.

    It's body language and certain ways of expressions. To be honest, I notice it more when they're speaking in English and it stacks behind a thick accent. As if the inflection of words makes it seem a little theatrical. Metrosexuality comes to mind as well, which comes off as prissy and high maintenance.

    Keep in mind that I'm Southern and my views of heavy duty masculine aura dwells in with a motor oil-stained tank top.

    [–]Velocity 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

    If there is "toxic masculinity", then there is toxic femininity as well.

    [–]insta 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    "Toxic femininity" is the endless pathological altruism.

    [–]StBlops2cel_is_Lord 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

    Yes, women really want a man that cries in front of others, lol

    [–]Comatoast 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Not unless it's something serious or you have a mental illness, but I don the ring of invisibility anyway.