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[–]Literallyawoman 20 insightful - 3 fun20 insightful - 2 fun21 insightful - 3 fun -  (19 children)

Eh I’d argue western men are just bigger victims of toxic masculinity than the rest of the world. American men act much more normal or in your words, effeminate, in private with their families and partner.

I prefer a man who has good fashion sense and hygiene, who shows emotion, and who stays fit and active, which is probably why I’ve mostly dated non-Americans, they’re definitely allowed to express themselves more and take care of themselves growing up and are more well-rounded than an American man who can’t cook, dress attractively, keep a clean home, or cry in front of others.

I know WAY too many frustrated American men reaching 30 who don’t understand why women don’t want them despite “having a job/car/house” when it’s obvious they can’t take care of themselves( fat, dirty, think sarcasm is a personality trait) and are basically children.

[–]PencilPusher55[S] 6 insightful - 7 fun6 insightful - 6 fun7 insightful - 7 fun -  (3 children)

So... you want to date another woman?

[–]Literallyawoman 16 insightful - 2 fun16 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Your idea of what a man is, or what men are supposed to act like, is very sad. Clearly you are insecure about your own masculinity lol. If you were confident maybe someone would love you!

[–]PencilPusher55[S] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Am not woman

[–]StBlops2cel_is_Lord 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

'Insecure'=being a man with masculine traits

[–]Chipit 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (10 children)

I love how the topic is immediately changed to "you men don't meet my standards". A laundry list of objectives is then set which men are required to meet in order to date her. It's like a parody of what stupid men think feminists are like.

[–]PencilPusher55[S] 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

What I find funny is that, for as much as she rants on about the filthy American man - Other countries don't want to touch American women. Entitled, have that "Princess Syndrome", rampant narcissism and self-centered personalities. Out of control, if you ask me.

[–]Literallyawoman 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Looooooser lol

[–]Chipit 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (7 children)

That's an insult, not an argument. Again, I remain convinced this is some kind of account set up to make feminists look like a parody of what their enemies think they are.

[–]Comatoast 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

It's insulting, but remember that it's a single opinion by a single poster.

[–]Chipit 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

Insults and ad hominem attacks are prohibited by Saidit policy, the pyramid of debate. It's just how she immediately goes for them as a first resort. Typical reddit poster.

[–]Comatoast 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Technically the OP could have been seen as an insult too, but I understand what you're saying. When questions like these are asked, you know how things go: there's going to be a personal experience and usually an opinion and/or personal preference criterium. Can't defend the direct insults so much.

[–]Chipit 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I used to get angry at insults. But now, I just smile. Getting an insult back means I made a really good point, and the other person has no argument. If she had an actual argument, she'd use it. But she didn't, and my argument made her feel funny inside. So to eliminate this painful cognitive dissonance, she just did the first thing that popped into mind - hurl a playground insult calling the other poster a low-status male.

OP's premise wasn't an insult. Ask anyone the world 'round. European men are far more effeminate than one would expect. Ask Africans, Middle Easterners, Asians, Pacific islanders, you name it. We aren't the first to notice.

[–]Comatoast 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I didn't know it was such a meme in the eyes of other countries too. I'm married to a European, but Central/Eastern Eurodudes don't seem to be the same, that I've noticed anyway.

[–]PencilPusher55[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It's a provocative question. Why people get upset it beyond me. If you don't find being a feminine man bad, why get angry? If you're not a feminine man and quite masculine - good for you. No one would find me masculine from a distance. I'm not very tall, don't have a naturally tough build, the only thing I really have is a deep voice and masculine facial features. It's strange. Just wanted to see if anyone else noticed it.

[–]Comatoast 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Being tall is just lucky genetics, in that you can reach all the stuff on top of the fridge without a chair.

It's body language and certain ways of expressions. To be honest, I notice it more when they're speaking in English and it stacks behind a thick accent. As if the inflection of words makes it seem a little theatrical. Metrosexuality comes to mind as well, which comes off as prissy and high maintenance.

Keep in mind that I'm Southern and my views of heavy duty masculine aura dwells in with a motor oil-stained tank top.

[–]Velocity 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

If there is "toxic masculinity", then there is toxic femininity as well.

[–]insta 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

"Toxic femininity" is the endless pathological altruism.

[–]StBlops2cel_is_Lord 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

Yes, women really want a man that cries in front of others, lol

[–]Comatoast 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Not unless it's something serious or you have a mental illness, but I don the ring of invisibility anyway.

[–]jet199 16 insightful - 6 fun16 insightful - 5 fun17 insightful - 6 fun -  (1 child)

Did someone just find out gender roles are cultural and differ from place to place?

[–]PencilPusher55[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Straight in sum country, homo in others ?

[–]72ndGender 10 insightful - 4 fun10 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 4 fun -  (4 children)

Shitty diet, sedentary lifestyles, and a society that forces them to act like women. American men are going on the same path too though. Eastern Europe isn't like that at all. And the countries with the weakest men will be easily conquered. Hell some of those European counties will be conquered without a war once the population replacement efforts have progressed a little further.

[–]PencilPusher55[S] 6 insightful - 5 fun6 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 5 fun -  (3 children)

Right? I watched on of those "Irish people try American food!" videos and it made my stomach turn. I could not believe that these feminine, pierced up, high pitched men were Irish males. It destroyed my narrow vision of how I thought they'd behave. To the woman above, I am sure this is her dream man. Sensitive, open, has a menstrual cycle, can probably give birth - but not a man in any way. Like a woman in a mans body.

[–]Newmug 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

They're not 'Irish'. They're probably from Dublin, which is in Ireland, but does not represent real Ireland

[–]Earendil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thank you.

[–]tseug 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

YouTube is not a good representative of your average joe. Eg this is a 'trending video' (I have no account, history, cookies etc): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45iH95EeqJM

[–]avena_sativa_3 9 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

All the masculine genes got filtered in two world wars.

[–]Chipit 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

This is an underrated comment. Tens of millions of the best men of Europe were killed off in the world wars. Survivor bias ensured that the survivors were predominantly weak men unsuited for combat. They then passed on their genes, and nature will take its course.

They were saved from being conquered by the muscular energy of the Americans...against whom they never stopped protesting.

[–]PencilPusher55[S] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

It would've been opposite if the war was fought over Burberry giftcards.

[–]scrubking 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

That's a very good and interesting point.

[–]whereswhat 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Why do you care?

[–]PencilPusher55[S] 8 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

Because men are meant to be men. They are not meant to speak like a valley girl, skip, and have periods.

[–]whereswhat 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Maybe you saw me after I got food poisoning in Amsterdam. There was so much blood coming out my ass it would be enough to fool anyone into thinking it was a period. I may have even skipped to a bathroom at one point in order to balance speed with the ability to keep my butthole shut. Sometime a little shart would sneak up on me though and I'd be like, "oh heyyy!".

So you see, this is probably just a big misunderstanding. Don't be a judgy little bitch.

[–]scrubking 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Damn right.

[–]ABlueSkilttle 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

Since you clearly didn't have a father figure in your life, I'll have to try and patch the hole a bit. Men don't have to go around unclean, unshaven, and brawling, in order to be men. On the contrary, men can be both noble and strong, stoic and brave, without acting or looking like trailer trash rednecks from your favorite NASCAR stadium. I don't know what you consider "acting like" a woman to be, but I've rarely seen that except when it truly is an act. More likely, you just have fucked up ideas of what being manly is. And this from someone who probably fulfills your fucked up ideas of "masculinity" better than you do in most respects.

[–]Chipit 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

without acting or looking like trailer trash rednecks from your favorite NASCAR stadium.

Ooo, nice placement of the bigoted classist insult. You go! You show those deplorable morons in the outgroup who's boss! Punch down on the poor! Speak truth to the powerless!

[–]PencilPusher55[S] 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Okay Girlfriend.

[–]Comatoast 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Sheesh. Shitting on rednecks is truly something. Redneck men, in my experience, are there with Natty Ice in hand ready to take on home and/or vehichle repairs or do what it takes to help out a friend. They're industrious and genuine, meanwhile the entire world has a superiority complex against them. Yeah, you've got your pieces of shit, but those are in every group.

[–]ABlueSkilttle 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Certainly. I do not mean to broadly declare them as somehow subhuman, only that it's a particular and extremely narrow culture that hardly applies to everyone. I grew up in that culture, though for privacy reasons I won't list specifics. I still remember when the drink of choice was Pabst, the hell is Natty Ice? Damn times change.

Hopefully with the clarification you can see my point for what it is. Not a jab at rednecks per se, but ignorant types who think men are only manly if they're a certain specific way. I do not mean a certain way as in virtues men ought to hold, or tend to hold, like stoicism and things biologically men tend to exhibit. I mean in their cultural expression of these. Does this make sense?

[–]Comatoast 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Natural Ice. You don't remember Natural beer? It's extremely cheap, so a beer worthy of the functional alcoholic.

It makes perfect sense. Thanks for the clarity.

[–]ABlueSkilttle 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Like I said in my day it was all Pabst, which is frankly IMO the best tasting bottom-floor cheap as shit beer. And I think I've tried every beer BUT the one you're talking about.

[–]StBlops2cel_is_Lord 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

We really don't need the tranny perspective, thanks girlfriend

[–]Comatoast 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

In what context?

[–]dissent 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

As Tyler says "Is that what a man looks like?".

Just be what you want to be OP and let others be what they want.

[–]mongre 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

[–]Truth_about_trees 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Absolutely.

[–]Papitas 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

It seems men and women are disappearing. Not just European men.

Not only has testosterone gone on a steady decline for several decades, but it seems women are acting too manly too (there won't be studies about that, obviously).

It seems to me the human species as a whole is going towards being a weird androgynous and amorphous fat mass.

[–]PencilPusher55[S] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Exactly. Nothing turns me off more than a chick dressed like a dude with a full sleeve of tattoos. Bumper sticker on a Ferrari.

[–]Jesus 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I wish men acted like Yeshua rather than the flesh of men.

[–]bagano1 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Europe was actually not what I thought it would be. At least in England, it was very rough and people would openly pick fights with me there. American men seem more girly than they are, and that's not meant to be an insult.

[–]PencilPusher55[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

What a shame to hear. I sometimes see American men walking in pink salmon colored shorts, they go a few inches above the knee, tight shirts and a comically feminine gait. High pitched voice with a vocal fry. To my horror, he was a straight male. After witnessing these images I could not sleep for nights.

[–]JFVG 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's England though. I know it's in Europe (I live there) but whenever people talk about 'European people' I kind of assume they're not including me in that.

[–]StBlops2cel_is_Lord 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

They have been cowed into submission by feminism, porn, and THC

[–]tseug 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Beer and weed are both estrogenic. Obviously not a coincidence these are heavily promoted to men.

[–]StBlops2cel_is_Lord 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Alcohol, weed, and porn make men soft and faggotty. Avoid like the plague. Also, eshew the Jew.

[–]Canbot 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

The Rothschilds and associates first came to power there. Europe has been under their manipulation longer.

[–]konoplya 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

this can be said about any country. plenty of soy fucks in the states. in fact, i'd argue there's more soylets here than in europe. in europe they're just mostly leftists, but that alone doesn't make one effeminate, just retarded

[–]SeasideLimbs 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Eh.

[–]ElifromtheBook 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

So you think they are. You most def. won't ever see my my home and never you will see my real gf .

Tell me exactly where'd you hang your intellect beforehand.