People who are antiporn - Are all kinds of erotic material bad?

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[–]Anatolia 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Radfems believe that women's motivations for having sex are always selfless, pure and sincere, never self-serving or manipulative. If a woman does do something sexually degrading online - and merely exposing yourself in a sexually suggestive manner is already degrading to women according to radfems - she is only doing it because of Patriarchal porn-brainwashing to the point of self-exploitation, not because of a rational cost-benefit analysis on her part.

I wouldn't say this is common to all "radfem" style of thinking. It is there, but I wouldn't generalize like that.

Radfems aggressively deny the fact that some women enjoy riling men up sexually for money. Female narcissism and female exhibitionism are taboo topics in radical feminism, that's why radfems prefer to talk about "femininity" instead, because that term is safe for the mainstream and allows radfems to deny the sheer levels of sexual self-interest at work on the part of women who expose themselves online.

I think it is more because radfems tend towards "materialist" way of thinking. They would say that the oppressive conditions on women drives them to sex work more often than actual greed and gold digging, which I think has a lot of merit. That doesn't discount the general degeneracy of the middle class of women who don't need that.

so the "it's just a fantasy for the sake of sexual catharsis" argument is BS right there. Pedos seek out CP because that's what they actually want to do to kids. The question is: can you have online porn without CP? Or does the latter come with the territory? Radfems for example insist that all porn roads lead to CP eventually, because porn infantilizes women (for example in DDLG)/has a preference for ever younger women (see "barely legal" category) so you will inevitably end up with CP at some point, they insist.

If your definition of CP is sub-18 porn, radfems definitely have a point. Remember when "jailbait" was a thing? Now its /tiktokthots or whatever.

[–]ISaidWhatISaid 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I wouldn't say this is common to all "radfem" style of thinking

It's absolutely common amongst radfems, it's practically an article of belief. They will literally not entertain any other position than that women do porn because men force them to, or have brainwashed them into wanting to do, the latter of which is a "false consciousness" (according to the materialism you mentioned) so that can be dismissed because those women are just brainwashed by the patriarchy into exploiting and degrading themselves seemingly voluntairly but not really. No woman ever does anything sexual just for herself, at least according to radfems. Everything a woman does that appears to be sexual, even just walking around in a short skirt that shows off her hairy unshaved perfectly feminist legs, is a woman performing inadvertent sexual labour for men. This is inescapable according to radfems and the only way out of this is for a radfem to completely desexualize herself (no make-up, short hair, unshaved, adopt a butch look in dress, act cranky at all times, even change the way you walk "to take up more space"), supposedly for the sake of the sisterhood. But even then she can still be reduced to a sexual object because men can re-sexualize desexualized women just by looking at them (aka "The Male Gaze").

If your definition of CP is sub-18 porn, radfems definitely have a point. Remember when "jailbait" was a thing? Now its /tiktokthots or whatever.

I don't agree with them at all. So the Republican married couple that shops for straight couples porn at Good Vibrations (while avoiding anything gay), even they will evitably end up watching CP at some point down the road? This is basically a version of the "alt-right radicalization pipeline" theory, which we know is BS. Radfems have their own version of the same thing, they basically have a "porn radicalization pipeline" theory. I think it's inaccurate so suggest that porn boredom or desensitization will always lead to someone seeking out the most peverted degenerate stuff they can get their hands on in order to get their kicks from porn again. It's also possible that porn saturation might simply lead to someone quitting porn altogether because they realize that it doesn't work for them anymore. I've seen interviews with porn addicts and what they say is that they didn't necessarily seek more hardcore or more perverted porn overtime. Rather, they had an act or performer they were fixated on and wanted to see that particular act or performer over and over again. One of them tellingly said during the interview: "I wasn't addicted to porn. I was addicted to scrolling.". It was the design of the online porn experience, the sheer volume available plus the repetition that got them addicted.