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[–]HiddenFox 19 insightful - 2 fun19 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

To me I think inflation will become a big part of the problem. It's one of the only ways countries can help absorb the debt they are taking on to get us though this.

Things will start to get more and more expensive over the next few years and wages wont keep up. (Even more so.) People will just not be able to live the same quality of life they have been living. Those with assets will be okay, but the average worker or young people starting out will be SOL as everything will just be so expensive.

As it becomes $60 - $70 to eat out at a crappy restaurant less and less people will be able to afford it and so restaurants will go out of business and things will start to spiral. Not just in the food industry but every industry further adding to the problem.

It will not be an over night collapse but over the next 5-10 years life will get worse not better. You will get less for the money your making. Will it be 50% less goods? Maybe 75% less? Who knows..... I just feel the equality gap will widen and as a result there will be more and more unrest like we are just starting to see.

Just my prediction.

[–]goobandit 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I mentioned this before, but the world economic forum has “the great reset” all lined up. Small businesses are being wiped out, whether by forced closure or being bought. They want “stockholder capitalism,” ie if they can’t own a piece of a business/company, they don’t want it to exist. By doing this, they are creating their own bubble within the current stock market bubble. Of course they are going to take advantage of all this free money we’re cranking out to buy up smaller companies, that’s why Congress voted against transparency for the money trail. It’s hyper fascism.

Plus the idea of the treasury’s digital currency “fedcoin” floating around, can you imagine it? “Because of the cash shortage, we’re offering a discount if you use fedcoin!” Wildly speculative, I know, but that’s my two cents no one asked for.

[–]BigFatRetard 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I agree with you, except that there's something else that nobody is thinking about: rising inflation will necessarily require higher interest rates. Investors don't tend to just give away money, they are lending their money with the expectation that they make some money back.

There are people who have absolutely no business owning a million-dollar house who have a million-dollar house because you can get a mortgage for less than 2% right now. The historical average 4 mortgage has been kind of messed up in the past 20 years because of all of the attempts to keep the real estate bubble going, but generally speaking the average over the past hundred fifty years has been something like 8%. for an overwhelming majority of homeowners, if mortgage rates reach 8%, those people's lives are over. in some areas you can walk away from the mortgage and just hand the keys back to the bank, but in a lot of places that's not actually an option. In a lot of places if you can't afford to pay your mortgage, you still owe your mortgage.

the other thing that will come out of such a thing will be government bonds will rise. This is happened within most of our lifetimes. If you ask a baby boomer, around the same time that their mortgage was 20%, you can invest your money in the government bonds and be making 30%. It was absolutely insane. A lot of people lost everything, and a lot of other people made their Fortune just saving money. The downside to high government Bond rates is the money to pay for the privilege of borrowing money rises. I'm not talking about the amount of money to pay back government debt, I'm talking about him the amount of money to hold government debt. In 2008ish, when Central Bank rates were actually very low, the amount of maintenance on 8 billion dollars of debt was about 400 billion dollars. if you scale that up to the current debt, you're looking at spending more money just maintaining the debt then you pay for most things in the government. You would be representing something like 80% of personal income taxes collected, something like five times the corporate income tax collected, more than the entire withholding tax, twice what the US spends every year on the military, an absolutely massive amount of money. That money doesn't go to do anyting, it's completely non-productive money. It will have to be collected as taxes, but it will go directly to Banks and they will be absolutely no services provided by the government for that money. The likelihood is that taxes at all levels of government will go up massively.

Venezuela's currency has been in free fall for years. The Venezuela 10Y Government Bond has an estimated 46.582% yield, and a near 100% likelihood of default. The inflation over the past few years has seen the buying power of a bolivar drop hundreds of thousands of times. It's hell. People are mining bitcoin hoping to get enough sustainable currency to buy food.

Imagine at the same time that the amount of spending that your daughter will do drops, the number of dollars that you're getting are also dropping because taxes are going up at a meteoric rate.

I called back in March when I first heard about everything they were doing for the coronavirus, stagflation is coming. People talk about the baby boomers and how easy they had it because their $30,000 houses became half million dollar homes, but we're about to find out that it was unimaginably difficult.

the socialists and ubi proponents have gotten to live their dream for the last 3 months, I think very soon we will be seeing the other side of the Utopia, when you run out of other people's money to spend.

[–]Zahn 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

you're looking at spending more money just maintaining the debt then you pay for most things in the government.

No one ever talks about how all this "money" owed to mysterious "banks" doesn't represent any actual wealth. Printed out of thin air, it allows the handful of people that own the banks in question to indirectly control every aspect of our lives. If national debt was defaulted on, those that print the money would lose nothing but power.

[–]BigFatRetard 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You're not wrong, but I think the next step is that whatever country defaults will immediately lose a lot of power in the world. Particularly the US can't run perpetual trade deficits, they'd have to make stuff if they want stuff.

huh. Not seeing the downside now that you mention it...

[–]Horrux 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's right. There isn't one. That's why central banking (the Fed) is called Banksterism: it's outright stealing real wealth (houses, land, etc) and earnings out from normal people's pockets. Not to mention inflation.

[–]Antifa 13 insightful - 3 fun13 insightful - 2 fun14 insightful - 3 fun -  (17 children)

Collapse of the Roman empire wasn't a cataclysmic event, it was a slow decline.

What we're experiencing here globally is the devolution from Roman to Byzantine.

The preppers are deluded. We will all adapt, we will all survive. All of us however will experience this decline.

We'll all need to stand tall and together. None can stop it, but together we can ensure we don't find ourselves crushed beneath history.

Storing dry goods and canned food isn't wisdom it's cowardice.

[–]Aureus[S] 17 insightful - 2 fun17 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I don't think storing dry goods and canned food is wrong. It can even be smart if you're saving money and preparing for a rainy day.

My issue is with preppers who expect a cataclysmic event to happen "any day now" and make no effort to create a life for themselves outside of that. At the very least, you should be starting a family and involving yourself in a community.

I agree that we are looking more at a slow decline rather than a sudden fall. Because of that, people should be improving themselves and their communities, and strengthening the next generation, rather than expecting everything to collapse overnight.

[–]StBlops2cel_is_Lord 8 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 4 fun -  (3 children)

What about being prepared for natural disasters?

[–]Antifa 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

In that context, I concede it's a prudent move.

[–]Earendil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Every prepper I know of IRL are prepping for natural disasters.

[–]whistlepig 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

The preppers are deluded.

That is a mighty disparate group that you are generalizing about. I assume you're talking about the one's who only plan for meteors and emp attacks?

[–]Horrux 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

EMP attacks are planned.

[–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

EMPs are NOTHING like they are in movies.

They are not tiny local events (ie. superpowers, within a building, a city block, or a city).

A disruptive EMP requires MASSIVE amounts of gamma rays from a solar flare, cosmic event, or a high atmospheric nuke and will cover a good portion of a continent. A nuke in the atmosphere over Mount Everest might knock out much of India AND China and completely destroy their infrastructure MUCH worse than the US is suffering now. Billions would starve and die and rebuilding their system would be very troublesome. I'm guessing, like the USA, they've also got a hardened infrastructure for their military and leadership to continue their control in the chaos - and of course could strike back.

I'm curious what it would do to satellites and space-stations, from near to far - or if it might be like a grenade in water (far more deadly than in air - if you're in the same medium). I'm guessing much less problematic than anything in the diffusing atmosphere - so the gamma rays would act like the light inverse square law and become much less critical the further away.

[–]Horrux 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Yes, and?

Yeah I think it would take out a lot of satellites. I dunno, satellites don't need much shielding since mostly they're within the magnetic field. There might be very high orbit one that might use massive amounts though, who knows.

[–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I been drinky. I've also been writing a hard-sci-fi story and I've considered adding a little EMP action just to add some unnecessary edutainment drama. There's already too much for the screenplay, but it could be good extra material for the novelization.

Imagine being on a space station and an EMP takes out all the electrics. Ruh-roh. Then, either you die or find a solution. I don't have a solution. So it's interesting, but not outstanding.

[–]Horrux 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah I don't have one either.

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    [–]72ndGender 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

    Well don't advertise your assets. And definitely be ready to kill anyone that comes knocking. Also a good idea to build a network in your neighborhood, so that everyone can help protect eachother.

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      [–]72ndGender 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      Seriously. It's like they want to be robbed.

      [–]Horrux 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Not if you violence-proof your soul.

      [–]Jesus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      Rome to Byzantine....

      Unilateralism to multilateralism = BRIC world order.

      [–]Horrux 11 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

      The second wave will have its own lockdown. It might be perma-lockdown with soldiers in the streets enforcing curfew. Not just "here", but EVERYWHERE. Economic activity will suffer even A LOT MORE than it already has (Q2 2020 GDP in the USA is -32.9%, the largest quarterly compression EVER RECORDED) and things are barely getting started.

      So, what's the difference between a COLLAPSE and a TOTALITARIAN POLICE STATE and WORLDWIDE COMMUNISM? One is accidental, and the other is planned and orchestrated.

      Watch out, it's coming.

      And if the majority is not going to "accept" the vaccine, they'll come at us with 3rd, 4th, 5th waves, ad infinitum until the whole population BEGS for the "vaccine". And those friendly soldiers in the street with assault rifles and syringes will be happy to give it to you.

      Will it protect you from their imaginary bogeyman? Can ANYTHING EVER do that?

      [–]Jesus 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

      Didn't a bunch of ZIoCon films predict that the last president would be around 2020 and his name would be Trump. I mean they predicted 9/11 and boasted about it all throughout the 90's because they did 9/11.

      [–]Horrux 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      I don't watch movies much, so that's entirely possible and yes I agree, those guys sure love to "predict" what they're going to do. Cue Ronald Reagan and his "Alien threat that would unite all mankind". Yep, that's coming too.

      [–]tseug 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      [–]GConly 10 insightful - 4 fun10 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

      In a few years there's going to be an epic food shortage in the MENA area. As it is they are buying in most lot of their food with oil money, most countries can't produce anything like to feed themselves. Saudi can grow about 10%.

      All it takes is a couple of crappy global harvests to drive grain prices up, or a fail in their income for some reason and shit is really going to hit fan there. We are going to have a wave of starving Arabs swarming across the Med and through Turkey trying to get into Europe.

      I'm talking tens of millions. The last migrant wave will seem like a trickle

      The Med countries will suck it up briefly, but then borders will slam down as the numbers become intolerable and the migrants become aggressive.

      The the young male Arabs, who are genuinely desperate, will pick up guns and try to force a way in. The Med states will start sinking boats. The Navy and armies of the Med countries will be deployed. They'll start demanding northern Europeans contribute men and resources to the border area. There might be a draft.

      The media will be horrified. Resident Muslim populations in Europe will go apeshit, terrorism will spike. Indigenous tolerance will fail, nationalism will start hitting the mainstream politically and strict 'no illegals' policies will end up being enforced and long resident illegals will start to get turfed out as well. The SJWs will scream blue murder, but the silent majority will be motivated by self preservation and they'll be overruled.

      Unable to get into Europe, a shit load of MENA refugees and military will start punching down into Africa, for lack of other options. I suspect Turkey, Iran, Pakistan and India will also close borders after a short time. It will be their only option.

      Do we side with the Africans or Arabs? Do nothing? Shoot the boats in the water and risk getting nuked by Muslim countries? A safer path would be to tell them we'll turn a blind eye their invasion of Africa, as long as they stop their young men trying to swarm Europe.

      China sure as hell won't be pleased with their holdings in Africa being threatened. They might send in troops.

      Relocation to South America or east Asia from Europe around this time is probably going to be wise.

      A total global collapse won't happen, but there will be a very nasty shitstorm with a lot of dead people.

      [–]Jesus 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      How many farmers are left? How many farmers are poor and on welfare but labor harder then most other people? 1/3rd of Americans producing for 2/3rds of Americans. That cannot last. All the government does is incentivize corporate agriculture which is just causing more disease and marginalized land. We need to transform the agriculture industry and incentivize farming in rural communities. But historically, neoliberals hate farmers.

      We see billions of dollars being shelled into synthesized lab made food for a reason.

      [–]AnarchySpeach 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (21 children)

      I don't expect a collapse. China isn't suicidal enough to wage a direct battle. Trump getting reelected isn't going to cause a civil war.

      It's after Trump that worries me. The republicans have no one to replace him with. Even those who have passable qualifications currently lack the political notoriety to stand a chance. The democrats have gone batshit insane trying to go with Biden, who won't be capable of running when Trump ends his second term.

      With that time period of uncertainty crazy Elon Musk says his Neuralink prototypes will have massive amounts of human data they can use to upgrade their prototype.

      Technology will be the factor that determines what happens next. If Facebook,Twitter, and YouTube continue censoring people, then there is the possibility the government will respond with knee jerk reactions in self defense when rioters start to increase in number.

      Even if a cure for the beer flu is created, there won't be a complete eradication for another decade (if at all.) This puts elderly politicians and the upper class at risk. Massive shifts in wealth to those unfamiliar with the nuances needed in moving it could result in economic mistakes of epic proportions.

      Technology, disease, political uncertainty, and economic instability. These things all collide in 2026, so it will be interesting to see how it plays out. If America begins to collapse too rapidly there is a possibility war against china could be initiated in an effort to reunify the country. I doubt it, but there remains the possibility. I can't see the future. All I know is that there are things outside of governmental control ending up in the hands of normal citizens. This never ends well. The creation of the first printing press started revolutions around the world. Then there was the internet. Then phones. Then social media. If Elon gets a consumer Neuralink device to the public that does 1/5th of everything he's claiming, for less than $3k, we should expect another world war.

      [–]StBlops2cel_is_Lord 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (15 children)

      If Elon gets a consumer Neuralink device to the public that does 1/5th of everything he's claiming, for less than $3k, we should expect another world war.

      Uh....wat?

      [–]AnarchySpeach 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

      Imagine a device that can detect electrical impulses in the brain, non-stop, even while you sleep, and be very precise. It knows when you're happy, sad, angry, and more. You can even use it to control your mouse or xbox controller. In theory, it could even read the muscle movements to your limbs, before they even move, because the signal originally starts in the brain.

      Now imagine that with enough data collected this device can send electrical signals into the brain to induce some of the things described.

      Some people in wheelchairs could walk again thanks to this device. Telepathy sounds like science fiction until you realize that auto correcting text is already present in phones. Doing the same to brain signals isn't as hard as it sounds if you have access to the raw data and a speedy computer.

      It's not magic, but it gets pretty damn close. "In theory", a user would be able to access the internet with a thought. Augmented reality glasses created by Apple will be on the market in 2022 to act as the computer screen.

      If everything goes according to plan people with the chip would be able to think faster, react faster, think of a question and instantly know the answer, be able to read another chip users emotions, possibly have telepathy with crappy phone-level auto-correct, and that's just the tip of the iceberg.

      The reason I think it could cause a war is that those with the implant would be superior to a human without one. A massive population of people could suddenly become politically aware. Become math experts. Suddenly know how organic chemistry works.

      How many people do you know without a cell phone? Almost everybody has a cell phone these days. This "Neuralink" thing could become the next cell phone, computer, video game console, and netflix all rolled into one. Walk into a clinic, the machine takes 20 minutes, and there's barely a scar behind one of your ears easily hidden with the right haircut.

      The device is theoretically possible. Elon has a working prototype installed in a monkey. It's still 6 or more years away before normal people get it. Maybe another 10 or 20 years before computers advance enough to process the new influx of data.

      Sounds like something straight out of a science fiction novel.

      [–]StBlops2cel_is_Lord 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

      It is coming, yes, and we will all get it, just like we all got cell phones although many swore they wouldn't. I don't see war, I see people getting even more addicted, lazy, and socially isolated.

      [–]AnarchySpeach 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

      socially isolated.

      I disagree with that last part. The ability to have a forced empathetic response during a conversation would change how chip users socialize. It'd be an optional app like on a phone, but it's totally possible that peer pressure could bring it into the mainstream. Lacking a twitter and facebook makes someone a "freak" if you ask most of the younger generation. A social app that deals with emotions could be mandatory in a similar fashion.

      [–]StBlops2cel_is_Lord 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

      I guess we won't know until it's here...there are things coming we cannot even imagine. I for one am waiting for a app that can make you instantly high via neural connection, for example you dial in 70% alcohol effect, 20% cocaine, and 10% LSD, and set the timer for x hours. Then when it turns off, you are instantly sober, and can go to work...oh, who am I fooling, it would mean the end of civilization.

      [–]AnarchySpeach 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      The alcohol part might be difficult or impossible without external chemical ingestion. Cocaine could be "simulated" for several minutes, but I doubt it would last very long before becoming extremely dangerous. Natural cocaine might even be safer. LSD... maybe? idk about that one. That's a lot of complex stuff going on at once. Mixing all 3 into a brain chip might be impossible in our lifetime.

      [–]StBlops2cel_is_Lord 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      If the Jew can make money off it, you can bet it will be invented.

      [–]Horrux 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

      If you read sci-fi, Larry Niven created particularly excellent stories, many of which explore the "wirehead" propblem.

      [–]Jesus 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

      Neurolink will eventually be marketed.

      [–]Horrux 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      Agreed. Also, the "implant thoughs" technology already exists and has already been perfected. Black budget tech was already working on that in the 1950s, well... Starting with the READING of brain states, then "thoughts".

      Bill Gates' cryptocurrency mining chip is based on "something" that can know precisely what you are doing at any given microsecond. Imagine a world where your pay is docked for the half-second you spent scratching your nose rather than typing the article that's due in 2 hours. But READING isn't the end of it. The tech exists to WRITE states to a brain, and without implants too.

      [–]AnarchySpeach 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      It will have some funny implications.

      "Sorry I missed your call. I forgot my phone at home."

      "Then what's that on your ear?"

      [–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

      It's after Trump that worries me.

      Yes, true. But it is largely a contrived, demoralized effort. There is much wrong with the ZioCOn and criminal Trump but so much could be said about Obama, Bush, Clinton and the many presidents before him. We went through a Civil war and the radical usurious republicans won. It must of felt like the apocalypse then too.

      [–]Horrux 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      must HAVE felt. Jesus, something's wrong with your brain my dude.

      [–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      No spellcheck, little time.

      [–]AnarchySpeach 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      His chip missed an update. Don't worry. It will be fixed shortly.

      [–]Horrux 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Oh and don't worry about after Trump: Bill Gates' cybernetic singularity will take over. FOREVER.

      [–]x0x7 9 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

      50% of restaurants listed as permanently closed on yelp is already a collapse. Collapse is relative. It depends on who is experiencing what. A collapse exists if a sufficient number of people are experiencing collapse (complete removal of the things they relied on).

      That has already happened.

      In other news I predict that Bitcoin will hit $900 or above at some point.

      [–]CarlDung 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      I once read a book about the collapse of Roman empire, and it was something the citizen couldn't actually see from within. Rome was sacked multiple times, but Rome never ended through a singular event. The central feature through those times was the growing carelessness which people began to express towards their culture, customs and civil disobedience. They had no resources to maintain the order through the empire, so the regions which were vital during the end times, receded back and isolated themselves where they formed comfortable boundaries against hostile world, and these bases were in most cases old legionary camps. Naturally farmers and artisans who supported legions built their businesses around those camps to feel more secure, and slowly the system that could maintain itself during the time of crisis became foundation of medieval feudalism.

      [–]Jesus 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      It also had plenty to do with a growing oligarchy that cares little about the laborer and common person. Extracting all the wealth for their own misdeeds and extravagance. Debt and usury was just one cause of Rome's collapse.

      [–]CarlDung 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      The thing I'm wondering mostly, is the difference between collapse in historical societies and modern times. We are depending on networks which either provide natural resources or components mined or manufacture in differents parts of the world. These networks are hard to secure for just to a handful of people, as the upkeep today is distributed to the whole consumer base, and the cost of infrastructure is funded by national tax revenues.

      Nearing the collapse, these logistics begin to decline, and the distributed production network becomes economically unfeasible / inefficient. The elite back then had their own estates which could provide most of the stuff elite used to fancy back then, but today most of the electronics rely on rare earth elements which they can't secure for themselves without expensive power projection in the locations where these minerals are extracted from the ground / sea bed.

      [–]Papitas 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

      It will happen at different rates depending on the country. In mine (Mexico), we are living through it right now. Many of us seem "unaffected" right now, but I suspect this is something like putting a frog in boiling water.

      I don't remember where I read it, but it seems collapses like ours usually take around 2-4 years to be 100% complete, and since we are already 2 years free falling…

      [–]Aureus[S] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

      What do you expect the local collapse to look like? What will happen?

      [–]Papitas 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      In our case, violence, hunger and possibly millions of deaths from those. This will be not quite different to our own Mexican Revolution, where gangs of thugs were pillaging and raping all across the country.

      After all the collapse and eventual reconstruction of the country some years ahead, all those marauders will be hailed as heroes, since they were the ones who won control of the country.

      Has happened before and will continue to happen again. Over and over.

      [–]Honestanonymous 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      Life just gets gradually worse and worse

      [–]Papitas 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      Yeah… you can see it right now.

      For example, vegetables have become more expensive and scarce. The few fruits and vegetables you can get are quite expensive and low quality, compared with some years ago.

      [–]whistlepig 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      It already is happening. Started this spring. According to the Bill Gates and Fauci's, they plan on continue pushing it for at least another year and I don't see them pulling back even after that.

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        [–]Jesus 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

        WEF and the 'global economic reset', or how to save crony-capitalism at the expense of the tiller and laborer, for us millionaire and billionaires. The goal of Corona pandemic was written out years ago by WEF. That is how to capitalize off the assets of the green revolution and nature. There is more money in nature, trillions upon trillions then all the GDP of countries.

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          [–]Jesus 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

          World Economic Forum

          [–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

          Starting with NAFTA?

          [–][deleted]  (2 children)

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            [–]Horrux 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

            North American Free Trade Agreement

            [–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

            If only there was https://duckduckgo.com/?q=NAFTA

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Free_Trade_Agreement

            It was a big deal at the time. A LOT of jobs in the USA and Canada moved to Mexico. It a major step towards globalization.

            [–]JasonCarswell 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

            It's happening now. Most can't see it.

            Look at Russia after the wall came down. The US will be like that, but worse.

            The "bail outs" to the rich are padding and preparing them in compensation for the hyper-inflation about to be unleashed upon us.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_of_the_Berlin_Wall
            https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/11/08/years-after-berlin-wall-fell-much-eastern-europe-is-dismantling-democracy-free-markets-what-happened/

            [–]Jesus 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

            Exactly, Multilateralism will reign, unless the neocons pushing unilateralism start another war. But it seems like the multilateral neocons like Alexander Joffe have convinced the unipolar/lateral neocons that its time to side with the multilateral BRIC world order.

            The US will fall just like Rome did due to debt, austerity, greed, demoralization, ideological subversion and materialism. When men have forgotten God completely, then that is when the barbarians will come in to loot what is left.

            But the problem is fascists think communism will take over. What will really take over in the US is fascism. Not communism.

            [–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

            According to Mussolini, fascism = government + corporations.

            Capitalism was already fascist. Communism was also fascist.

            Communism is totalitarianism where the government rules the corporations. Capitalism is inverted-totalitarianism where the corporations rule the government.

            Capitalism and Communism are merging into a global Zionist totalitarianist corporatocracy.

            /s/Agenda21_Agenda2030 /s/Corporatocracy
            /s/Technocracy
            /s/ClassWar - coming soon*
            /s/Totalitarianism - coming soon*
            /s/ArtificialIntelligence- coming soon*
            /s/Cooperatives - coming soon*

            * Please feel free to make any of these. They're on my list, but only because they don't exist yet. I'll get to them when I get to them.

            [–]Jesus 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

            And according to Michelle Metta's book–little read, and the information it exposes even moreso little cared about–that the real players behind the United States of America Inc., (as it is a corporation) were fascist Freemasons, liberalism for their sake was simply utilized to exploit the laborer for their incorporated lodges and haughty brothers. Every Freemasonic lodge is incorporated. All the 18th century charters of the lodges prove that the lodge was set-up as a protection racket just as the United States was.

            Look at all the persons at the constitutional conventions. Nearly all of them were land speculators, bankers, and corporate lawyers. Jefferson lost the bid and the real players involved in creating the corporate empire you now have today were the immoralists mentioned above.

            Who killed JFK, and who got away with it. Who did 9/11, and who got away with it? Two factions. The Freemasonic Fascists of the Scottish Rite (Jewish Rite); the former p-2 lodge of Gelli, now the covert p-3 lodge in Italy that accompanies CIA agents who work hand-in-hand with the Likudnik revisionist Zionists in Israel, of whom although might have emigrated from communist Russia to Israel are far from the Bolshevik communists of the 1917 revolution and yet they are so similar.

            Why kill JFK for simply trying to use diplomatic means to solve geopolitical issues in conflict with communist states? Look at the p-2 freemasons protocols that both the North and Southern districts of US freemasonry signed unto. The protocols prove that Freemasons are totally against peasantry co-opts and decentralized socialism and totally for Fascism and corporatization.

            There's one thing the conspiracy books really never mention and that is Freemasonic fascism aligned with the Likudniks. All they really talk about is communism. Yuri Benzmenov was probably right on many things, one could even make the contention that Fascism, at least in the case of Mussoliniynism is just another form of collectivist authoritarianist communism, but what I find far more compelling then the contraindications of fascism and communism and even capitalism is how many times their revolutionary tendencies align together. One using the other for their own geopolitical and exploitative goals. It very much seems like the work in stride to fool the people.

            [–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

            Thesis, countering antithesis, and the final synthesis for they actual results they wanted all along.

            Also, https://DuckDuckGo.com/?q=Mafiya (not a typo) the authentic Russiagate they won't look at (dynamic silence) (Also, The Antedote [sic] touches on this often enough.)

            Also, also, How much do you think Thomas Paine was played into writing the Constitution?

            Also, also, also, I don't know why I didn't think of this sooner... You should create /s/LimitedHangouts. It's further down on my list - but you are the master of remembering who is compromised and when and how, whether in part, speculative, or a complete sell out. If I wasn't into openness I'd almost go so far as to limit it somehow so that you can post and others can only comment and/or request other names to be added. If you were able to control the chaos, limited or not, I'd wager that could be among the most important research subs on SaidIt. Then again, maybe it might be better somehow integrated with WikiSpooks.

            [–]Horrux 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

            Hey now that sounds fascist: Free speech for some but not for others. But I jest. Too many morons pollute the air too much with their "free speech" that should really be used for "free STFU and LEARN SOMETHING for a change"... ;-)

            [–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

            I know you joke, but I wouldn't mind some limits in order to get better quality content. For example, if only Jesus made the posts he could edit and update them as people commenting to their hearts content, some good, some bad, could be filtered into the original post. Then I realized that would essentially be closer to a WikiSpooks article. Still, I think it's a decent idea, at least until we get more SaidIt-WikiSpooks crossover happening.

            [–]Horrux 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

            I agree 100%. It's a great idea. It would be like a text-based Youtube channel.

            [–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

            I guess. Kinda. The more I think about it the lamer the "limits" seem. But I still think Jesus would make the best /s/LimitedHangouts ever.

            [–]Horrux 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

            Agreed.

            [–]Horrux 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

            You should be so lucky. Unless your definition of fascism is NOT morality-based policy? Because that's what it's ... pretty much always? been, up until now.

            No worries, it's communism. Guaranteed.

            [–]StBlops2cel_is_Lord 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

            The coming collapse has been predicted for thousands of years

            [–]Solarcore 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (9 children)

            In 2004 I truly believed that peak oil will end everything at latest by 07-08 and took steps to prepare and preached at my friends to take it seriously, the proof is solid and I checked the science and statistics. Haven’t taken any “you’ll see in two years”- doomerism seriously ever since.

            [–]Aureus[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

            This is a big reason why I made the /s/PredictTheFuture sub. I think there are some predictions that have been made over and over without coming true. It would be good for people to see which ones pan out vs which don't.

            [–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

            I should really finish my first draft of Bittersweet Seeds that takes place around 2045-2050.

            [–]Aureus[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

            Do it and post it here!

            [–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

            I may announce parts of it here. I'll be posting it in /s/BittersweetSeeds. It's under construction here: https://infogalactic.com/info/Bittersweet_Seeds

            [–]Hadza 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

            Are you sure you haven't confused peak discovery with peak production?

            [–]Solarcore 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

            They’re related. But back then fracking and oil sands weren’t certain yet. Only after the USA production ramped up, things changed. The main concern was about how long the huge old wells in middle-East can last with the demand, as new discoveries had peaked and large scale fracking was unproved and possible capability questioned. 2004 it looked way different than what last decade came to be.

            [–]Feldheld 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

            Growing fascism will be the main issue. A decline in collective intellect had been already the reason for the lockdown lunacy, but the growing fascism will make the collective intellect drop to rock bottom. Irrationality will rule, cowardice and opportunism will be the standard attitude of normal people.

            Lets face it, big business has already placed its bets when they massively supported BLM with big $$. And you can be sure they wouldnt like to lose on that bet, so they will continue to actively support the fascist mob.

            The Dollar will continue to lose value and government will finally have to default. I forsee a nazi-light decade, with Democrats using their overwhelming dominance in the media, education, deep state, cities etc to implement mob rule, effectively disbanding rule of law, equality before the law, free and secret elections etc. The USA are bound to deteriorate into a 2rd world country Nicaragua style.

            [–]sproketboy 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (15 children)

            This fall. China will use the the US election chaos to invade Vietnam and/or South Korea and/or etc....

            [–]Jesus 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

            Okay neocon

            [–]sproketboy 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

            OK BOOMER

            [–]72ndGender 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

            Why Vietnam? I could absolutely see Korea, or any other non Middle Eastern, Asian country, but Vietnam is the last country I could see them invading. They are their allies back from the war. North Vietnam only won because of all the Chinese troops sent to fight America.

            I'm genuinely asking you though, since I'm not the most up to date with global politics since I won't watch the news.

            [–]sproketboy 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

            They are expansionists and Vietnam is competition. Also, they figure the US would be too afraid to interfere because of their experience with Vietnam in the past.

            [–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

            Africa.

            [–]sproketboy 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

            They already have Africa.

            [–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

            Which? Both America and China are colonizing it. The US with bombs and China with development.

            [–]sproketboy 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

            Citation or 共匪

            [–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

            Citation or I'm a communist*? Really? It's not a fucking secret man. In fact it's very common knowledge.
            SJWs call everyone not them Nazis. Alt-Right calls everyone not them commies. You're both fucking retarded.

            * According to Google Translate.

            [–]sproketboy 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

            Take it easy. I'm just not interested in arguing about silly things today.

            [–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

            Then don't call people commies and look up how Africa is being colonized and exploited. Especially when I have a hangover. And how would you know I have a hangover? Common sense and telepathy. If you can't do telepathy, try harder. I'll wait.

            [–]Horrux 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

            Yep, no need for invasion that's for sure.

            [–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

            To what end? What scoop do you have?

            [–]sproketboy 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

            To what end?

            World domination of course.

            What scoop do you have?

            It's just interesting to me that Japan and others have been increasing military lately. They smell something coming.

            [–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

            Vietnam is the key to South Pacific trade routes and resources but not world domination.