Why am I expected to care about 'Black Lives' when black people dont even care about them

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[–]peety 21 insightful - 2 fun21 insightful - 1 fun22 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

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[–]dazedandsubdued 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

it is just inaccurate to assert that the black community makes no efforts at all to address the crime and violence that is present in many predominately black communities. i think if you did some looking into the subject, you'd find that is patently false and ridiculous.

and of course police violence happens in greater numbers against white people...there are a shit ton more white people in the U.S....

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    [–]mikipika 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

    "Ostracized" I don't think that means what you think it means. Perhaps "criticized?"

    [–][deleted] 22 insightful - 3 fun22 insightful - 2 fun23 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

    He used that term correctly. Crews was dis-invited/excluded from several social circles, called an uncle Tom, house nigger, etc. This is a fairly standard response towards anyone black that tries to criticize bad culture in the black community.

    Terry Crews is a good man, and from everything I've seen a good father. He's also successful, wealthy, and fit. People like him run counter to the narrative, so unless they use their fame to try to tear down the system that got them where they are; they are mightily disliked by the indolent masses of loud black complainers.

    [–]Red23 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

    He used that term correctly.

    He did indeed.

    [–]peety 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

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    [–]Girlwiththeraventat 13 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    I would like to know what you think the black community is doing to reduce black on black crime. Because in my local, majority black city they arent doing shit. Recently the black police commissioner even made a statement about the hypocrisy of BLM in this regard. This year is the worst for violent crime since 2016. Mostly black men being murder by other black men. And we've also had more than average children being murdered. Sometime last year the chief of police made an impassioned plea to the community to please turn in people that have committed these violent crimes. So they kill each other and cover for one another and never do anything to address all the violence. But a white cop killed a black man and it's a national crisis.

    Their only endgame is to be perpetual victims and to finally be thought of as better than whites.

    [–]bjam27 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    The black community doesn't even know that there were ONLY 9 unarmed black men killed by police last year while over 7,000 black people killed by other black people.

    If they did I think priorities would change. Well hopefully.

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    [–]Turn0ffy0urmind 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    They only address the downstream problems, never the underlying reasons why black communities are more violent. Most black kids in poor communities are raised by single mothers, watch garbage television, listen to garbage music, hang out with garbage people whole value material objects, the appearance of wealth and the appearance of strength over morals and intelligence. Address those issues and crime and violence will drop significantly.

    [–]Questionable 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    You should and can care about black lives. however, this is not a part of your daily life, and should not be taken into consideration during it. Ever come across a group of white supremacist harassing a black person? Or say a black child in danger from a vicious dog? These are scenarios where you might be forced to make a decision. When their lives may depend on you. You may even need to come to the defense of a black co worker, this of course should not be based on skin color, but of simply doing the right thing. Or so to say, the color of their skin should not effect your decision either way.

    Now if you think the current movement is bogus propaganda for political reasons, and are against rioting and looting, you can openly oppose the Black Lives Matters movement. Many black people are opposing it. After all it's clear that the people looting their grocery stores don't have their best interest in heart. This is creating a negative image that they do not wish to be associated with, one no better than the KKK.

    Fortunately, or unfortunately, the best thing to do, is to simply go about your life. That is unless their is actual rioting going on outside your front window. In which case.... Keep your drapes closed and put a lock on your gate.

    [–]Yayme 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    So, it looks like you seem to be assuming that BLM is actually a grassroots organization that is fighting against police brutality. I do disagree with that assumption... but it looks like you believe it. And you're arguing against it. That's just weird to me.

    Someone says "We need to stop police from killing black people" and your only response is "not until they stop killing each other." If I said "We need to end police brutality against white men" would your response be "not until they stop killing each other?"

    It doesn't really seem like you care about black on black violence. It seems like you're just worried about ... well.. about the police not being able to kill black people. And that my friend, is a weird thing to worry about. I mean, even if like 50 out of 100 black men shoot each other, does that mean it's ok for the police to kill some too?

    Unfortunately, abusers know to look for the vulnerable in society and prey on them. Same with the rapist priests. They knew to prey on children who came from shitty families. Would you say that until their families care about them, it's ok for priests to rape them? Probably not. Same with poor black men who might be in gangs. Even if their society doesn't care about them, it's not ok for the police to kill them.

    And, when you talk about black on black violence, you have to take in to consideration the decade the CIA spent selling cheap cocaine in the hood. This is what allowed the gangs to make money, and to spread their violence across the country. They literally got their seed money from the CIA.

    Which does kind of make it seem like, at least to the government, black lives don't really matter.

    [–]Girlwiththeraventat 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

    People aren't saying police killings dont matter until black on black killings stop. They are saying the amount of black people being killed by police is currently being blown out of proportion and if black lives do matter they wouldnt being killing each other like they do. There are no riots when an 8 year old girl was shot and killed in Atlanta. There are no riots for all the black men killed in major cities every weekend. Black lives only matter if a white person kills them. And yeah if 50 out of every 100 black men shoot each other that's a big fucking problem. Only 235 black men were killed by police in 2019 out of a population of about 43mil black. And yeah every unnecessary life lost is a tragedy, no one is arguing it isn't. Almost everyone is against police brutality. Almost everything think there should be police reform. No one thinks cops should be able to kill with impunity.

    No lives matter to the government. They have been testing awful shit on their own citizens for decades.

    [–]Yayme 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    They are saying the amount of black people being killed by police is currently being blown out of proportion

    This is where I think your opinion diverges from most everyone else. I think any amount of unjustified killing by the police should be cause for scrutiny, changes in policy such as and mandatory body cams, and murder charges against police officers, regardless of the victims race.

    and if black lives do matter they wouldn't being killing each other like they do.

    Honestly, that makes zero sense. Because they are the victims of violence more often, they don't deserve the protection of the law?

    And maybe your issue is that BLM isn't protesting gang violence. But let's be honest here, who are they going to protest? Like are they supposed to march up and down the street with signs saying "De-fund the Crips" and "De-fund the Bloods"

    [–]Girlwiththeraventat 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    Well your definitely nitpicking what I said. Yes any unnecessary killings by police should be investigated. No matter white or black. But all BLM cares about is black lives. I haven't seen any riots for the mexican man killed in a no knock raid which was being executed at the wrong house anyway.

    And once again most every agrees we need police reform.

    My issue is really what started out being about police brutality has morphed into everyone most be ANTI racist and consider black lives above all else. Well white people anyway. I dont think BLM should even be a thing. Every life matters. Every unnecessary police killing matters. It shouldn't be a race issue.

    So because the solution takes personal responsibility and actually making a difference in your own community instead of tearing it down, black people cant do it? All they can do is riot about something that probably won't even affect them? But something that will affect more of them, they stay silent on.

    [–]Yayme 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I think BLM, if it ever even was real, has long since been compromised.

    It's funny, I'm pretty anti-transwomen shoehorning their way in to women's spaces, so I see the BLM movement as trying to further shove the trans agenda down people's throats, trying to make it about how black TRANS lives matter. You feel like it's about trying to subjugate white people (I think). I also see people who say it's a communist movement. I think probably all of that is a little true. When something gets that big, you get a lot of fringe groups that join and try to get attention on their causes, and it just turns in to a big cluster fuck.

    I don't have a problem with calling out police violence though - and it sounds like you don't either.

    So because the solution takes personal responsibility and actually making a difference in your own community instead of tearing it down, black people cant do it? All they can do is riot about something that probably won't even affect them? But something that will affect more of them, they stay silent on.

    The life expectancy of white men actually went down recently. Like by 1/4 a year, or some small number... but it went down. From fentanyl. I don't really see a lot of white people doing marches for that. The opoiod issue has finally gotten some press, but it's taken decades. Does that mean white should be denied medical care, because white people obviously don't give a shit about their health, when so many white people are dying from fentanyl overdoses?

    [–]quickbeam 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    We should all care about police killing unarmed civilians. We are paying police officers' salaries, and as such we should expect them to earn those salaries by not killing innocent people sleeping in their beds or people who maybe committed misdemeanors. Last I checked we weren't paying police officers to be judge, jury and executioner. So if you care about the Constitution you ought to care about the main goal of the Black Lives Matter movement, which is to hold police accountable for police brutality and killings of unarmed civilians. I'm not going to bother to get into the weeds of your other argument, because I'm not in the mood to have a huge headache.

    [–]gravyontop 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    $oro$

    [–]happysmash27 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    There should be a movement that focuses on police brutality instead of race. The current paradigm is far too divisive, especially when police brutality can affect anyone.

    [–]Iam1ofMany 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Because that is their logic, not logic in general.